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| I'm sure this has been discussed, but what would it take to get a voluntary MN Musky stamp? A walleye stamp exists and the revenues are used for stocking. |
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| I think it does more potential harm then good,,muskie fishing in MInn is nowhere near has popular has it was a couple years back. Numbers of fisherman will.continue to decline and that would show in less stamp sales every year and when spearers and legislators see this they will push for less muskie budget funding. The DNR is not under the impression that more stocking is the answer at all so what would we use the money for. By the time you get done with the administrative costs to do this how much actual cash are you going to have. A stamp just shows how few there are of us compared to walleye fisherman.
I think we could benefit more from a couple more Minn muskie clubs a Minn musky club that would be an alternative choice for people who are not muskies Inc members
Also I think a stand alone lake MInnetonka muskie club could do wonders there are tons of guys who do about all their muskie fishing on tonka. I think this would have a very big membership with places like Lord Fletchers, Maynards to have meetings. Tournament or two a year to raise stocking funds because the dnr is receptive to letting private stockings on Tonka the TC chapter of MI does it all the time.
A stamp isn't going to give us anything we aren't going to get anymore lakes then what the long range plan calls for.
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| happy hooker - 3/4/2015 8:54 AM
muskie fishing in MInn is nowhere near has popular has it was a couple years back.
What is that statement based on? Just curious because it seems like it gets more popular every year. |
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Location: Waconia,MN | I believe it continues to grow, and if it would improve stocking I'm all for it. |
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| Musky Stamp = DUMB Idea
The walleye stamp program barely breaks even and the number of walleye fisherman using the state of MN is at least a factor of 10 greater than the number of musky fisherman.
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Location: Minnesota | No thanks I m with nick and happy |
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Location: Minnesota: where it's tough to be a sportsfan! | On the surface it might sound good but in actual- factual DNR style the funds would end up in the general pool and the stocking....?? look at what they are doing now in MN Muskie stocking wise. The stamp program is not worth the ink it would take to print them. Although some good art might come about because of it. You will never convince me that they would manage the program wisely, and actually stock Muskies of any number or size with those funds. |
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| Jault
unless your spending most of your musky fishing on vermilion and tonka most of the lakes I see have less pressure. The outstate guides are leaving for greener pastures and the guides I talked to told me they had more open dates last year.
I think.people may be of the opinion that the muskie program is open ended based totally on budget. Lakes get stocked based on science and most get a fish per litorial care. It's not a situation where if you inherit a huge fortune you could call up the dnr .and tell them "instead of stocking 2000 muskies in lake X put in 3000 and Ill pick up the tab" The dnr stocks lakes based on what is the right balance. |
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| I have to disagree on the lack of pressure, especially in the metro. Fishing spots in the metro is like a trip to costco: Get in line. By expanding the stocking, we'd be spreading the pressure across more acres and more fish.
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| We don't need money we need "Permission"
Money isn't the problem the Muskies Inc chapters around the state have proved they can raise money. The twin cities chapter has money in its rearing fund but just needs the ok to use it and the fish farms to produce the fish.
Let us stock the abandoned tiger lakes in the metro with purestrains
Let us jump start the Minneapolis chain now that it's back to purestrains stocking.
Let us stock some of the old shoepack lakes with purestrains
Let us lose the money if none of that works its private money not dnr loss.
Money isn't the problem it's getting the Ok that's the problem. |
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Location: Minneapolis, MN | Where can I read about the abandoned tiger lakes in the metro? I wasn't aware they had abandoned them. Is it all of them or just certain ones? |
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Location: Elk River, Minnesota | Hiya,
I know the walleye guys have the walleye stamp, and sure..a nice thing to have as a collector item and try to generate a little cash for stocking purposes, but I would tend to agree that with the cost of printing the stamps, the paperwork, etc. for muskies would be a stretch.
I wouldn't mind seeing an option on the license though, that would allow for us to pick a species to donate to for stocking purposes, which is then printed right on the license. (it would be similar to the pheasant stamp, where it is is listed, but you don't need to get the stamp mailed to you...taking out the excess trail...it's just an added line through the printed ELS system.
Something that gives us the option of donating to the state stocking program would be nice to have and know it goes directly to the stocking programs is what I wouldn't mind seeing...
Steve
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Location: Chisholm, MN | happy hooker - 3/4/2015 6:28 PM
Jault
unless your spending most of your musky fishing on vermilion and tonka most of the lakes I see have less pressure. The outstate guides are leaving for greener pastures and the guides I talked to told me they had more open dates last year.
I think.people may be of the opinion that the muskie program is open ended based totally on budget. Lakes get stocked based on science and most get a fish per litorial care. It's not a situation where if you inherit a huge fortune you could call up the dnr .and tell them "instead of stocking 2000 muskies in lake X put in 3000 and Ill pick up the tab" The dnr stocks lakes based on what is the right balance.
Contrary to that, Itasca County lakes receive no stocking and pressure is increasing every year. So much to the point that the health of the fisheries are declining.
Now, the one big guide that finally left for greener pastures will certainly have a positive affect on the Bemidji area which has seen it's fair share of pressure and decline in health. So I'll give you that. But maybe the reason guides have more dates open is because everyone is now a guide. I had several guide trips in the last few years that could have gone to one of the vets very easily.
Also, the reason Vermilion (with one L) didn't get stocked last year is because of the low supply of baby muskies. They will make up for it next year hopefully. |
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| Kirby
How will a stamp.or money help that,,,if their not convinced that More stocking per acre is the answer. Pressure will decrease on a lake if it gets tough Look at Mile llacs it's a ghost of what it was for Muskie guys and guides. Some dnr guys tell you the muskies on Mile Lacs are using the whole lake now, Well if that's the case shouldn't we be stocking Mile Lacs based on all the acreage not the litorial. Are they gonna do that??,are they gonna let the MI chapters do that??? Doesn't look like it so money won't help. Has fisheries get beat down so will pressure/fisherman and then stamp sales. If their not interested in producing more fish,give us more lakes then what's proposed in the long range plan, what good is a stamp.
For you guys who want a stamp what is your plan???what are you gonna do with the money to increase or enhance the muskie fisheries and how are you going to get the dnr to change their whole stocking philosophy.
And bottom line let's hear a ball park figure on what a muskie. stamp would net????
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Location: Chisholm, MN | Not saying I want a stamp. I'm talking about the other comments made in this thread. I'd certainly pay for the stamp if it was an option but I agree that it wouldn't change much. I will also put my own money toward any program that stocks Minnesota lakes. And not just the lakes I fish, any lake that will help reduce pressure on all the lakes. Where do the Mille Lacs guys go now? There is less pressure there, yes, but there is more pressure on the other lakes that aren't dead (yet) as a result. All I'm really talking about it the increased pressure in MN and what it's doing to the fishery. I've said it before, MN muskie waters have surpassed their carrying capacity of fisherman. Maybe people will fish less as a result of a declining fishery, but we don't want less fisherman. We want more opportunities. I guess this conversation is getting off topic.
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Location: Chisholm, MN | And this is coming directly from a fisheries supervisor: There will be a muskie committee of some sort in MN now that will prioritize muskie stocking to make sure lakes that need the stocking are not missed in the future.
That's ok, but I'd like to see even more. But I'm biased since I like the little buggers so much! |
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