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hi


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Kirby Budrow
Posted 9/5/2021 1:01 PM (#988632 - in reply to #988630)
Subject: Re: LiveScope and similar technology





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Location: Chisholm, MN
TCESOX - 9/5/2021 10:53 AM

North of 8 - 9/4/2021 9:19 PM

TCESOX - 9/4/2021 8:18 PM

If we have appropriate harvest regulations, and adequate enforcement, things will be fine. Harvest regs have been moving in the correct direction in recent years. There will always be meat hogs, but the culture is changing. Most newcomers to fishing have no problem with selective harvest and catch and release.


I agree but the part of the equation that is lacking in WI is adequate enforcement. Oneida County, with several hundred lakes and many miles of river and streams has only one warden dedicated to fish and game regulation enforcement. I fish spring, summer, fall and winter on the chain where I have lived full time for 6 years and have encountered a warden one time. Prior to that we had a seasonal place for 12 years and never was checked by a warden. If we want to preserve our resources, we need to invest in more enforcement. If that means higher license fees, so be it. The other thing is that if you know of limit violations, etc., call it in.


You are correct. That is what I meant by adequate enforcement. It doesn't have to be ball busting enforcement, just enough busts with fairly harsh penalties, to deter the majority of those inclined to fudge, to tow the line for fear of the consequences. Enforcement is an expensive endeavor. While you may not have been approached by a warden, I guarantee that you have been eyeballed by them. You just didn't exhibit any behaviors that caused them any concern. They tend to approach people that are a little suspect in their actions, and those they have not had any eyeballs on. The true poacher types will not be deterred by enhanced enforcement or severe penalties. The key, is to keep their numbers very low.

Kirby is right about muskies, though, since they can be more difficult to successfully release, and harvest isn't really a thing, in the big picture. Education regarding barotrauma and water temperature, and hook cutting, are very important.


One thing that I am not sure about is barotrauma. Steve can chime in. Supposedly muskies are different from many other species and are not as affected by barotrauma. But what we saw on vermilion this year was nothing short of a tragedy. So many very large muskies floating and really the only difference this year was the amount of people sharp shooting very deep fish all night. They hover over the top of fish and harass them until they bite. And the next morning there are a few floating. I found one that was 54.25, which a dnr employee measured, and heard of a 56.5 found as well. And they do it all season now too. The same dnr employee told me of a 52 that someone killed after they sharp shot it about 3 weeks ago. I see it as very harmful to the population. Another factor this year was the warm temps in June. If muskies aren’t affected by the change in depth, then it must have been the sudden change in water temperature they were exposed to by being pulled from 15’ or more up to surface temps of close to 80 degrees. My whole point is that if you are going to sharp shoot muskies in open water, please pass by the fish that are more than 10 feet below the surface and consider water releases as much as people. I’m advocating for more and more water releases and I’d like to see it become the norm. I like a nice picture like everyone else but not at the expense of the fish.

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