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[QUOTE]badger - 3/9/2010  6:01 PM

if price was not an issue and i spent any regular time on big water as well as smaller lakes i would get a 619 (or 620). for less $$$ the equivalent tuffy.  the rangers are just finished above the competition.  however the back on a 619 is not as useful for the family as say an open model such as the 1860 or tuffy 1890 without casting deck.  i just feel a removeable casting deck option on the 1860 would be a great family boat.  i have size 15 feet and fishing for muskies at night on the back deck of an 1860 is not anywhere as easy as on a 619 with rear deck or a 1890 with the rear decks.   i am considering the ranger 1860, used 619, used prov 1975 with back extension, and  tuffy 1890 (even with my reservations above) but am leaning heavily towards a new 1860 or used 619.  the 1860 has a more shallow v which would be better for the family uses on smaller wi lakes (200-3500 acres) (lower speed to plane, better fuel milage, less wake, smaller motor).  It also steers easier at low speeds (pulling kids speeds) and planes at lower kid towing speeds than the 619's i have driven (as a reference i test drove a 1860 and 2 619's back to back to back (etec 175, proxs225, 225ho).  The 619 has a much bigger/better back deck with extension in place and is just a darn nice boat all around.  for 50k it better be!!!  There is a new 1890 for sale for 35.  really not comparing apples to apples in my opinion.  the 1890 and 1860 seem to be at the same price point.   I am not an expert on  the 1890 but it looks to have a v similiar in profile to the 619.  If i was under a budget below 40k and fished bigger and smaller waters with and without kids it would be a new 1890 or used 619.  If you are willing to give up the back deck space for more room for kids the 1860 new.   The 1860 is also finished very well for a boat in the 30's (in todays economy they are going for less than 40K with terrova 24v and high quality graph).  A 619 will hit 50k with any decent electronics.  i am in your same shoes - i want to spend 35k but want a boat with a removable rear casting deck for fishing vs family time.   3 young kids.   just like how the rangers are finished but can't justify spending 50k on a new 619.  need to find out if justencase will build a system for the 1860 to add a foot or more to the back deck.

I respect everyone's opinions but my only reservation on the 1860 remains the rear deck.  It is just not in the same class as the 619 or 1890 with rear deck.  i understand why ranger built it that way - more space for 4 chairs.  However, when you get a big fish on it is nice to have more room to maneuver before the net man and fish are ready to be caught.   night fishing is easier too.  i wonder if ranger does not offer a 1860 rear deck because it would compete with the 619 at a much lower price point???

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Posted 3/9/2010 6:01 PM (#427948 - in reply to #427882)
Subject: Re: boat suggestions

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i have used a 1890 but do not own one - nice boat. i just dont think it uses all the space in the back as well as a ranger 619. look at norm wilds add - i don't like the vertical bar immediately behind the rear carpeted deck/livewell. why is that needed? the space between the back of the boat to the carpeted back deck is also much less on a 619 than the tuffy (the space behind the bar i am speaking of). makes the tuffy seem a foot shorter than an equivalent length ranger inside. go to the ranger web site and pick the 619 and look at the picture of the back deck extension. no wasted space on the back. also it is all level to the back fiberglass. also i don't feel the tuffy's are finished to the level of a ranger - getting better but not there yet. however, the tuffy's lower price reflects that. i think most would agree with that statement. it does not take long in a ranger to see where the extra money goes.

if price was not an issue and i spent any regular time on big water as well as smaller lakes i would get a 619 (or 620). for less $$$ the equivalent tuffy. the rangers are just finished above the competition. however the back on a 619 is not as useful for the family as say an open model such as the 1860 or tuffy 1890 without casting deck. i just feel a removeable casting deck option on the 1860 would be a great family boat. i have size 15 feet and fishing for muskies at night on the back deck of an 1860 is not anywhere as easy as on a 619 with rear deck or a 1890 with the rear decks. i am considering the ranger 1860, used 619, used prov 1975 with back extension, and tuffy 1890 (even with my reservations above) but am leaning heavily towards a new 1860 or used 619. the 1860 has a more shallow v which would be better for the family uses on smaller wi lakes (200-3500 acres) (lower speed to plane, better fuel milage, less wake, smaller motor). It also steers easier at low speeds (pulling kids speeds) and planes at lower kid towing speeds than the 619's i have driven (as a reference i test drove a 1860 and 2 619's back to back to back (etec 175, proxs225, 225ho). The 619 has a much bigger/better back deck with extension in place and is just a darn nice boat all around. for 50k it better be!!! There is a new 1890 for sale for 35. really not comparing apples to apples in my opinion. the 1890 and 1860 seem to be at the same price point. I am not an expert on the 1890 but it looks to have a v similiar in profile to the 619. If i was under a budget below 40k and fished bigger and smaller waters with and without kids it would be a new 1890 or used 619. If you are willing to give up the back deck space for more room for kids the 1860 new. The 1860 is also finished very well for a boat in the 30's (in todays economy they are going for less than 40K with terrova 24v and high quality graph). A 619 will hit 50k with any decent electronics. i am in your same shoes - i want to spend 35k but want a boat with a removable rear casting deck for fishing vs family time. 3 young kids. just like how the rangers are finished but can't justify spending 50k on a new 619. need to find out if justencase will build a system for the 1860 to add a foot or more to the back deck.

I respect everyone's opinions but my only reservation on the 1860 remains the rear deck. It is just not in the same class as the 619 or 1890 with rear deck. i understand why ranger built it that way - more space for 4 chairs. However, when you get a big fish on it is nice to have more room to maneuver before the net man and fish are ready to be caught. night fishing is easier too. i wonder if ranger does not offer a 1860 rear deck because it would compete with the 619 at a much lower price point???

my 2 cents

Edited by badger 3/9/2010 8:12 PM