Best camera position
Muskyfreak44
Posted 7/2/2015 12:10 AM (#774673)
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where do you all think the best position for an action camera, like a GoPro, is while fishing? If you had to pick one is it on the head? Chest? On the boat or other? I enjoy the head but there is a bunch of movement obviously and tough to watch sometimes. If you had two cameras then what would you pick? I know it's all personal opinion but I am curious what the majority prefers.
ToddM
Posted 7/2/2015 5:48 AM (#774677 - in reply to #774673)
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I enjoy the head too.
ToothTamer
Posted 7/2/2015 5:53 AM (#774679 - in reply to #774677)
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Location: Lake St.Clair
The head is great always nice to have a lot of movement lol.

But if you can get a painters pole and run a handle bar mount on it. For me it's really nice because the center console has rod holders and I just bungie cord it in and I get a good overhead view with follows and net jobs.
Will Schultz
Posted 7/2/2015 10:33 AM (#774711 - in reply to #774673)
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Location: Grand Rapids, MI
I agree that a pole mounted camera is much better than one mounted on your head. Here's some video with a pole mount:
https://youtu.be/OaP5eBX6gdA
tkuntz
Posted 7/2/2015 4:20 PM (#774741 - in reply to #774673)
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Location: Waukee, IA
Dang that's a pretty fish! I also prefer the camera on a pole
horsehunter
Posted 7/2/2015 4:54 PM (#774746 - in reply to #774673)
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Location: Eastern Ontario
Will how high is that pole and how far back on the boat is it located.
Thanks
Will Schultz
Posted 7/2/2015 5:16 PM (#774748 - in reply to #774673)
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Location: Grand Rapids, MI
Lots of trial and error to find the best position. The pole is mounted about 8 feet back from where im standing, on the side I'm fishing and the camera sits about the same height as my head. I have it so the pole can hold two cameras and when using it to shoot bow and stern the pole is mounted in the center of the boat shooting over the shoulder of each angler.
timhutson1
Posted 7/2/2015 9:37 PM (#774760 - in reply to #774673)
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I prefer the head shot if I only get one. It ensures you almost all the action. I also devised a painters pole to shoot a whole boat shot but will use it for the first time in a few weeks. I will be running the whole boat shot and two head cams for the trip.
Muskyfreak44
Posted 7/3/2015 10:53 PM (#774848 - in reply to #774673)
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Thanks for all the replies! I just got a GoPro Hero 3+ silver and am playing around with it. Do you all just record on a loop? If so, when u get something u want to save what do you do? Pull out that card and put in a new one? Thank you all in advance!
timhutson1
Posted 7/4/2015 4:41 PM (#774891 - in reply to #774848)
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I do 5 or 20 minute loops. When you want to save the action that just happened then you just hit the record button to stop the recording. The last 5 or 20 minute loop will be saved. You have to be careful not to save things accidentally or they will start to eat up space on your card before the day is close to over. I also bring 8+ batteries for a full day of fishing to ensure that is not an issue.
Muskyfreak44
Posted 7/4/2015 11:46 PM (#774913 - in reply to #774891)
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So say you record on 5min loop and it will just keep recording over itself every 5 min until you hit the record button again? Once you hit the record button the second time, that last 5 min is what is saved, correct. Then you just hit record again to start the 5 min loop again and it won't lose the saved footage from before? Do I understand it correctly?
ToothTamer
Posted 7/5/2015 3:40 AM (#774915 - in reply to #774913)
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Location: Lake St.Clair
You have it correct my friend.
Are you running a decent sd card?
Muskyfreak44
Posted 7/5/2015 11:26 AM (#774931 - in reply to #774915)
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I hope! This is the one I purchased.......
SanDisk Extreme 64GB UHS-I/U3 Micro SDXC Memory Card Up To 60MB/s Read With Adapter- SDSDQXN-064G-G46A [Newest Version]

What do you think??

Does anyone have any experience with aftermarket batteries? I am a little worried about using them but thought I would ask. Thanks for all your help!


Edited by Muskyfreak44 7/5/2015 11:30 AM
Dogditcher
Posted 7/5/2015 5:54 PM (#774958 - in reply to #774931)
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Muskyfreak44 - 7/5/2015 12:26 PM

Does anyone have any experience with aftermarket batteries? I am a little worried about using them but thought I would ask. Thanks for all your help!


Wasabi power makes batteries for Gopro cameras.
They have a 2 pack with charger and also an extended pack battery that will come with a charger and camera back doors-make sure to choose the one for your camera.Amazon seems to be the best place for this purchase.

If your mounting camera on pole or base the extended battery would be your best choice. If you are going to wear it on your head than go the other route.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00AAIPT76/ref=ox_ya_os_product

http://www.amazon.com/Wasabi-Power-Extended-Battery-Backdoors/dp/B0...
Muskyfreak44
Posted 7/5/2015 9:37 PM (#774991 - in reply to #774958)
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Thank you! The specs on the Wasabi battery are 3.7v, 1200mah, 4.4wh vs the GoPro battery 3.7v, 1180mah, 3.88wh. Does anyone see a problem with that?
timhutson1
Posted 7/5/2015 11:09 PM (#774996 - in reply to #774991)
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Nope, only problem is GoPro charging much more for an inferior battery. I have wasabi batteries for hero 3, hero 3+, and hero 4. All work great!
Muskyfreak44
Posted 7/5/2015 11:26 PM (#774997 - in reply to #774996)
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I will give them a try i think, thanks! I just didn't want to damage the camera somehow. Have you seen this battery...
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00LUKNOBQ?colid=37XSJ8CR11K81&col...

Looks interesting.
ToothTamer
Posted 7/6/2015 1:13 AM (#774998 - in reply to #774997)
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Location: Lake St.Clair
Muskyfreak44 - 7/5/2015 11:26 PM

I will give them a try i think, thanks! I just didn't want to damage the camera somehow. Have you seen this battery...
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00LUKNOBQ?colid=37XSJ8CR11K81&col...

Looks interesting.


It's not water proof so I would stray away.
I second the wasabi and I also have 9 or 10 $3 batterys from China that also work fine.There is plenty of cheap options and I don't have a problem switching batts. Battery backpack is nice to have also.

I own wasabi,smatree,and cheap Chinese ones all work fine. There is a company that ran a pilot on really cool batterys I'll try to find real innovative stuff.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/limefuel/gopro-hero-4-hero-3-ex...

These work fine lol

http://www.tmart.com/AHDBT-201-AHDBT-301-3.7V-1300mAh-Lithium-Batte...

Edit
I would Also spend the money asap and get a polarizer lense. I own a few and the cheap ones are just fine. I have a few Polarpro lenses they make a clip on lense so you don't have to mess with unscrewing your housing lense.cheap and easy and they can mean the difference in getting fish on film or not on sunny days.

Edited by ToothTamer 7/6/2015 1:31 AM
Muskyfreak44
Posted 7/6/2015 9:02 AM (#775021 - in reply to #774998)
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Great call on the polarized lens........wasn't even thinking about that! THANKS!!
Propster
Posted 7/6/2015 12:33 PM (#775051 - in reply to #774673)
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Location: MN
After talking to Gregg Thomas and Mike Keyes I went with something called Pocket Juice. It's like $15 and it's designed to be a power bank charger for phones and stuff, but I just cut a hole in the housing of my GoPro and run the UBS cord to the camera and stick the other end in this Pocket Juice and you can get easily 8 hours or more of filming without having to change batteries within the camera. I was getting an hour to an hour and a half out of those. I got a longer cord I can just run down to my pocket when I wear it on my head, and a 6' cord for if I mount it on a pole. You can even run it down to your DC accessory outlet and run it off your big battery and don't need the Pocket Juice.
adubs
Posted 7/6/2015 3:29 PM (#775074 - in reply to #775051)
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Location: Chippewa Falls, WI
Propster,

What pocket juice did you get? I'm heading over to St claire to fish with mike Hulbert on thursday and friday and would like to spend as little time as possible messing with the gopro...


Adubs
Propster
Posted 7/6/2015 5:03 PM (#775086 - in reply to #774673)
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Location: MN
It's actually called Pocket Juice. Sent you a pm
Muskyfreak44
Posted 7/6/2015 5:39 PM (#775089 - in reply to #775086)
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I would be interested in the exact one that you are talking about as well.
ToothTamer
Posted 7/6/2015 6:10 PM (#775092 - in reply to #775089)
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Location: Lake St.Clair
Muskyfreak44 - 7/6/2015 5:39 PM

I would be interested in the exact one that you are talking about as well.


He is talking about this.

https://m.steinmart.com/product/25-53865499?_t=pfm%3Dsearch%26Search...

For the price it's a cheap Easy power bank but there are many better options for a power bank out there for a little more money. I'll pay extra for a better mAh. But for the price you can't go wrong either way. Anything around
4 to 10 thousand mAh Will do anything you want in a 6-8 day fishing.
Propster
Posted 7/6/2015 6:39 PM (#775098 - in reply to #774673)
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Location: MN
That's it, just not pink
Stranger2bluewater
Posted 7/6/2015 7:57 PM (#775114 - in reply to #774673)
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Location: Morgantown, WV
I have a mount on my talon. It gives a good view for trolling:

https://youtu.be/Lh11qY5tGGs

Charging/changing batteries is a pain. I bought a housing with a cutout where the USB charging cable plugs in. I hooked this up to my battery via 1 mA cigarette lighter adapter. I can fish as long as I want and not change any batteries. The housing is not waterproof but this is only a problem if it starts raining. If that happens I change the housing start changing batteries.
Muskyfreak44
Posted 7/6/2015 8:29 PM (#775121 - in reply to #775092)
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ToothTamer.....can you suggest a charger?
Muskyfreak44
Posted 7/6/2015 8:38 PM (#775123 - in reply to #775114)
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Nice video Stranger, thanks for sharing!

Does anyone know if something like this will work if you were fishing out of a "not so nice" boat?

http://www.jmsonline.net/power-socket-w-battery-clips.htm?utm_sourc...
lifeisfun
Posted 7/7/2015 4:28 AM (#775152 - in reply to #774673)
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Location: Ontario
Folks, would it be possible for some of you with pole camera, to post your set up pictures. I would like to get one going but need some ideas on mounting and position.

Thanks!

Edited by lifeisfun 7/7/2015 4:36 AM
horsehunter
Posted 7/7/2015 7:32 AM (#775165 - in reply to #774673)
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Location: Eastern Ontario
I also would like to see your mounting ideas. Particularly those using a painters pole I would like to see how it's mounted to the boat and how the camera is mounted to the pole.
Thanks in advance
Stranger2bluewater
Posted 7/7/2015 7:35 AM (#775166 - in reply to #775123)
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Location: Morgantown, WV
I can't tell from the picture or info if that is a cigarette lighter adapter. This is like what I have hooked to my battery:

http://www.amazon.com/Conntek-Battery-Cigarette-Lighter-Adapter/dp/...

Then I have something like this plugged into the above:

http://www.amazon.com/Islandoffer-Compact-Charger-Adapter-Android/d...

The input for charging the GoPro is supposed to be 5V 1 mA. If you set it up like this you'd want to make sure to use the slot with the proper power output.
ToothTamer
Posted 7/7/2015 7:41 AM (#775168 - in reply to #775166)
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Location: Lake St.Clair
I'll take a photo when I can.

For me it's easy I fish off of a center console with Rod holders on each side of the counsel so I just stick the painter pole on the rod holder and run a bungie cchord over it .
Stranger2bluewater
Posted 7/7/2015 7:43 AM (#775169 - in reply to #774673)
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Location: Morgantown, WV
Here is the location of my mount.


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ToothTamer
Posted 7/7/2015 8:42 AM (#775177 - in reply to #774673)
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Location: Lake St.Clair
I run mine 7ft up on the pole off the console rod holders.
If the partner lays into one i swivel the cam while scrambling for the net.

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mastical
Posted 7/7/2015 9:42 AM (#775187 - in reply to #774673)
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Location: Lake St Clair
I like that idea.

i mounted mine on my back light pole, it was too far away and not high enough so i couldnt see in the water.

benblonsky
Posted 7/7/2015 11:46 PM (#775324 - in reply to #774673)
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what mounts did you guys use to secure it to the top? little scared of the adhesive mounts, bike handle mount work for the painters stick?
horsehunter
Posted 7/8/2015 6:44 AM (#775331 - in reply to #774673)
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Location: Eastern Ontario
What stops it from flopping around in a rod holder especially being that high? Do you have to take it down when running to a new spot?
Muskyfreak44
Posted 7/8/2015 11:54 PM (#775491 - in reply to #774998)
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Can anyone recommend a polarized lens for the GoPro Hero 3+ Silver?
timhutson1
Posted 7/9/2015 12:23 AM (#775493 - in reply to #775165)
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I will try to post a picture soon but what I did is start with a wooster 4-8' pole from home depot. I choose this one since it was pretty solid even when almost fully extended so no worries about adding to shakiness of the camera. Seen here: http://www.homedepot.com/p/Wooster-4-ft-8-ft-Sherlock-Extension-Pol...

I then removed the rubber handle at the butt end. The handle then fits into a scotty rocket launcher rod holder. seen here: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004O0J5LM/ref=pd_lpo_sbs_dp_ss_1?...
The good thing about this is that I can move it all around the boat on the rail system of a lund. It was a bit loose so I had to wrap the end of the handle in some cloth hockey tape. now it doesn't shake/move in the rod holder.

To attach the GoPro I had to remove a screw at the top and remove the paint roller. I was left with a hexagonal metal pipe. I was able to cut down a piece of wood from a 2x4 to hammer down into the pipe and put the screw through to make sure it wasn't going anywhere. Then using a 1/4"-20 hanger bolt like this one: http://www.homedepot.com/p/Crown-Bolt-1-4-in-20-x-1-1-2-in-Plain-Do...
I put that into the wood piece. Next I cut the point off the end sticking up so I can attach this to the top: http://www.amazon.com/Grifiti-Cameras-Holders-Brackets-Photography/...
Then that attaches to this:
http://www.amazon.com/GoPro-GTRA30-Tripod-Mount/dp/B002RCLYXG/ref=s...
The GoPro then attaches to the mount.

Sound like a lot of work but it was actually done in just a few hours of work, a bit more time to plan. I did it this way so I have flexibility as to where I have it on the boat, the height, the exact camera angle, ect. Also, I have it so that I can easily take the pole out of the rod holder then use it to get underwater release shots.

I will try to get pics, sounds more complicated then it is.
timhutson1
Posted 7/9/2015 12:46 AM (#775496 - in reply to #775493)
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horsehunter
Posted 7/9/2015 6:25 AM (#775502 - in reply to #774673)
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Location: Eastern Ontario
Thanks Tim for the detailed response and pictures......Now I must go shopping.

Edited by horsehunter 7/9/2015 6:34 AM
Muskyfreak44
Posted 7/9/2015 10:23 PM (#775650 - in reply to #775496)
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Tim, that is great! You should make them and sell some......
timhutson1
Posted 7/9/2015 10:32 PM (#775651 - in reply to #775650)
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Thanks for the complement; not sure if the market exists beyond a few people. But certainly glad to help anyway I can. I hope this helps someone else get some great footage.
lifeisfun
Posted 7/10/2015 4:14 AM (#775661 - in reply to #774673)
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Location: Ontario
Great job Tim!
I'll be another copy cat
Thank you!

Edited by lifeisfun 7/10/2015 4:15 AM
jboutdoorguy
Posted 7/13/2015 7:39 PM (#776131 - in reply to #774673)
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Does any body else use a polarized filter for their go pro? If so which one and how well does it work? Any fogging problems or problems with wide setting?
ToothTamer
Posted 7/13/2015 8:18 PM (#776136 - in reply to #776131)
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Location: Lake St.Clair
http://muskie.outdoorsfirst.com/board/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=10...
timhutson1
Posted 7/14/2015 8:37 AM (#776181 - in reply to #776131)
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I just bought the polar pro polarizing filter that fits over the waterproof housing. I will be using it soon and will let you know how it did. So far, I can say that the fit is good and no problem with the wide setting, etc. I did treat both my housing and the filter with a rain-x original on the outer surfaces and rain-x anti fog on the inner surfaces. Hopefully with that I do not have any problems. Again, I will try to remember to post back with how it worked.
jboutdoorguy
Posted 7/14/2015 10:24 AM (#776204 - in reply to #775165)
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horsehunter - 7/7/2015 7:32 AM

I also would like to see your mounting ideas. Particularly those using a painters pole I would like to see how it's mounted to the boat and how the camera is mounted to the pole.
Thanks in advance


I don't have any pictures yet but was just tinkering in the garage and here is what I came up with. I have Ram rod holders so I adjusted holder so it was straight up and down then put painters pole inside and attached pole to holder with a plastic zip tie and used the go pro jaws clamp to attach the camera to the pole. Seems like it will work very well and it will be easy to aim with the flex mount of the jaws clamp. Now I just need to figure out what height and where to put it in the boat. Also am hoping I will be able to set up to get both anglers in the shot.
Muskyfreak44
Posted 7/19/2015 4:22 PM (#776879 - in reply to #774673)
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Ok guys, I finally have everything I need to bore the heck out of my friends, family and co-workers that do not understand the muskie addiction......at least I think I am ready. This pic shows everything except the two 64 GB Micro SD cards I purchased and the pole to put in the boat and mount the camera to (still deciding how I will do that). Please let me know if I am forgeting something......other than the kitchen sink. Thanks Guys!


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ToothTamer
Posted 7/19/2015 9:10 PM (#776920 - in reply to #774673)
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Location: Lake St.Clair
You listened good man. Looks good
Muskyfreak44
Posted 7/20/2015 12:10 AM (#776932 - in reply to #776920)
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Don't tell my wife that! If she ever know that I listen better to you than her.......that would not be good! LOL Thank you for all of your suggestions, I greatly appreciate it!
timhutson1
Posted 7/20/2015 6:50 AM (#776936 - in reply to #776879)
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Looks a lot like the pile of stuff I have with me at LOTW right now. We will be heading out soon. I do use even more batteries in a long day and when away on a trip like this and fishing consecutive days, I will have enough chargers so that I only have to switch the batteries in them once for the night.
warhawk
Posted 7/20/2015 9:40 PM (#777071 - in reply to #774673)
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I used a Mr Long Arm painters pole. Bought an adapter that screws on to the pole to mount the camera (google search gopro painters pole mount and you should find one). Mounted the pole next to the drivers seat with 2 ram mounts u-bolted to the pole, with the other end of the rams attached to a gunnel grab rail (ubolt) and the other at the bottom of the pole bolted to a compartment in the boat. hope that makes sense...I'd send pics but my boat isn't at home.

For power I bought a Switronix gopro battery adapter with a 10' usb cord that plugs into the 12v cig lighter with any standard usb adapter. The switronix replaces the back cover on the gopro underwater case. its not submersible but it is waterproof. no need to take the camera out of the case at all on the water if you operate the camera with the iphone app. The problem with batteries, or drilling into the go pro case is if you get any moisture at all in that case, the unit fogs up. And the anti-fog tabs they sell you wont fix that. Overall, it gives you continuous power from your boats power system, and you never have to take the camera out of the case.

Just used it for a week on LOTW and it works slick.

sworrall
Posted 7/20/2015 11:50 PM (#777087 - in reply to #774673)
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin
I bought a motorcycle USB and 12 volt waterproof adapter and wired that, my stereo which is also a motorcycle waterproof little model, my underwater camera, and my two VIO POV units from a single glass mat sealed battery that is independent from my deep cycles and start battery. We have as many as 6 cameras running at any one time. Three or four are the Blusmart/Gaoki, two are VIO POV (wireless microphones and 12 volt adapter and mounts are key here) , and a couple are waterproof Polaroid units.

We have a number of mounts we created from pieces and parts. A good option for a single mount is a Frabill lure retriever, adapted for the camera on the business end and a rocket launcher rod holder on the other. Extends a looong way if you wish. Works well for underwater stuff, too.
FISHFINDER101
Posted 7/21/2015 12:01 AM (#777088 - in reply to #774673)
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Location: Poynette WI.
The last capital city musky class I attended in Waunakee I put added this sort of topic as a suggestion for next year's classes. I think an all around class on video and pictures would be great.
Reef Hawg
Posted 7/21/2015 9:16 AM (#777126 - in reply to #774673)
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Location: north central wisconsin
I just purchased a Hero4 package similar to the one shown above(minus the floaty backpac. I picked up two extra 1290 batteries and a 3 bank charger. I typically have access to charging capabilities in any of my boats but would like enough battery for a full day hunting/upcoming AK trip etc/trout fishing, etc. What setting do you typically video/time do you get from a battery/time on a 64g card if you don't have time to edit through the day or don't have it on loop?

Thanks guys for all of the insight. I like the idea of using the lure retriever. I have an old golf ball retriever that is going to get some use..

Edited by Reef Hawg 7/21/2015 9:18 AM