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| you guys must not have been to any seminars lately???
its got NOTHING to do with baits
its got NOTHING to do with rods and reels to some degree not all
its got EVERYTHING to do with electronics Pan Optics,side imaging,360 scope
the guy who spends $3500-6000 on electronics is the prime time Playa!!!
"Hey don't take my word for it"-just go to some current seminars
remember 10 years ago when every seminar was about dbl 10s??? now its the same thing but with this scope that scope. |
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Location: NorthCentral WI | happy hooker - 1/11/2022 11:26 AM
you guys must not have been to any seminars lately???
its got NOTHING to do with baits
its got NOTHING to do with rods and reels to some degree not all
its got EVERYTHING to do with electronics Pan Optics,side imaging,360 scope
the guy who spends $3500-6000 on electronics is the prime time Playa!!!
"Hey don't take my word for it"-just go to some current seminars
remember 10 years ago when every seminar was about dbl 10s??? now its the same thing but with this scope that scope.
What's the best reel for those big bucktails? Will a C4 work?  |
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| I am thinking that seminars are focusing on electronics because people are spending money on that equipment and looking for ideas on how to get their money's worth. I know I upgraded my trolling motor and my bow mount to an Ulterra and a Gen 4 Helix Mega SI/DI last spring and while I really like both and have learned a fair amount about using the tech, much more I could be doing with the equipment. Technology has made huge gains in the last five years, seems reasonable that folks would focus on that. |
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Location: North Central IL USA | RJ_692 - 1/11/2022 8:35 AM
i always find it amusing when people pay 100K for a boat, 80K for a truck, 1K for rod and reel combos, but are confounded by $100 lures and the price of gas.
Nope - 51K for the boat. 18K for the truck. 3, maybe 350 for the combo. |
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Location: Chisholm, MN | MartinTD - 1/11/2022 9:33 AM
Kirby Budrow - 1/11/2022 9:08 AM
RJ_692 - 1/11/2022 8:35 AM
i always find it amusing when people pay 100K for a boat, 80K for a truck, 1K for rod and reel combos, but are confounded by $100 lures and the price of gas.
I hope the custom market continues to grow. There are guys making truly works of art.
I didn’t pay anywhere near that much for all my stuff. And a boat and truck get you to and from the lake for years. The tail that rips off by a pike for $70 just doesn’t make sense. Crank baits are another story. Those can last for many years and can certainly be worth the money.
Right on Kirby. Sure, maybe professional fisherman have that much invested but I own a used Ranger I paid less than $20K for, a 2006 truck that is paid for, and I live within 5 minutes of the river so gas is minimal. But yeah, help me, I'm poor. I'd buy another Headlock or Mattlock but a soft plastic, no thanks. ; )
Some of us have to be financially responsible unfortunately! It’s sucks because I really wanted that bait but I just refuse to pay that much for it. |
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Location: NW WI | Muskyrookie - 1/10/2022 8:23 PM
I was talking to a musky fisherman I know who casts and trolls. He uses ( 1 ) bait, yes just 1. It isnt even a bucktail. It's a crankbait. Different colors of course. A $25 mass produced plastic lure. He said he caught 17 this year. Take that for what it's worth!!!
First hard-core musky fisherman I ever met in my life story:
Before I became obsessed or even slightly educated on Musky Fishing I was working on this fellows large new house, he was never around but his Mrs. always was, super nice gal. One day after they moved in I saw a bunch of Heavy Tackle by the main door. He swung by quick to drop some items off for the house and I had to ask em about the tackle. Long chat short, dude grew up with Steve Suick and remained friends ever since. He had the tackle by the door because the next day he was leaving to camp and fish LOTW with Steve and some others. He had multiple ( I assume Lakewood mediums) packed with nothing but Suick Thrillers. Said he's never switched it up nor did he want to. He was kind enough to give me a prototype unweighted Red Hot cuz Steve gave him plenty.
That same bait actually put my very first Musky in my hands. Haven't had a follow on it since. So like u said, for what it's worth.
As far as that $70 dollar I assume the "Ultra Dog" goes: Duuuuuuuuh.
Thing has high demand and as of now 0 availability. They know darn well alot of fisherman following the mindsets of "I gotta get it now before it goes out of stock" or "Something the fish haven't seen before, I gotta throw it first before everyone else is" or " F*** it why not, I didnt drive all the way here to leave emptied handed" Is going to pay that price. They had to build new tooling, new dies, new packaging, establish a surplus to stock retailers. They're going to try to cover the investment as quick as possible.
They'll drop in price eventually, I mean the 2lber is $35. Less Demand on those of course, but I'm sure after the initial rush, they'll come down.
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Location: oswego, il | A great triggering technique for a following musky is to speed up the lure and make it seem harder to get. It works even better for selling musky baits. |
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| RJ_692 - 1/11/2022 9:35 AM
i always find it amusing when people pay 100K for a boat, 80K for a truck, 1K for rod and reel combos, but are confounded by $100 lures and the price of gas.
I hope the custom market continues to grow. There are guys making truly works of art.
Or they feel like it is too much to purchase a good leader or change their snaps regularly. |
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Location: Vilas | Some of those $$ baits are a work of art. While I have a couple of the $$$ walking crankbaits, my best baits are chewed to bits $25 DR`s and Jakes |
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Location: Athens, Ohio | It has been said, "If I should die, I pray my wife won't sell my baits for what I told her I paid for them!" m |
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Location: Northern IL | The more expensive lures are the more retrievers I sell...
However, in the spirit of fish will hit just about anything that moves. I came up with a experimental lure years ago, and it's cheap! However it only comes in 1 color, natural. It's caught a number of trout and walleye on the troll as well as vertical jigging. No muskie hook ups yet.
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| I fish better with value-priced lures that I'm not too afraid to lose. Therefore I picked up six "Original" 6-in Phantoms in Canadian Crush and Hot Perch for 13.97 at Sportsman's. I swap the rear hook sometimes for a 5/0 4x VMC Inline single with grub to get a swimbait or softail look on a budget. Plus the "original" has better hook, split ring and retains the hook collar on lure belly vs newer softails from same order. So older stuff can be cheaper and better made too.
https://www.sportsmans.com/fishing-gear-supplies/hard-baits/jigging-...
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Location: North Central IL USA | curdmudgeon - 1/12/2022 3:53 PM
I swap the rear hook sometimes for a 5/0 4x VMC Inline single with grub to get a swimbait or softail look on a budget.
This one: https://www.cabelas.com/shop/en/vmc-inline-single-4x-hook |
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Location: oswego, il | mikie - 1/13/2022 7:06 AM
I thought it was 'Brandon' who got you the stim money?
You really wanna go there on this site? There's plenty of other places on the Web to spew your hate, sir! m
He probably goes to one of those churches that chants it during the sermon. Has no respect for this forum or it's rules. |
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| Must not be very good at investing, since the Dow Jones has risen 35% since the last election. Not bad for a 14 month period. S&P has also hit record highs. Think you could buy a lure or two with those kind of returns. |
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Location: Eau Claire, WI | Some people prefer to drive the beat up rusty trucks and others choose to drive a new truck. Both will get you to your destination. To each their own. I enjoy collecting lures so I don’t have a problem spending a little more for quality. |
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| FishinXtreme - 1/13/2022 10:49 AM
Some people prefer to drive the beat up rusty trucks and others choose to drive a new truck. Both will get you to your destination. To each their own. I enjoy collecting lures so I don’t have a problem spending a little more for quality.
Some of the lures that fetch big bucks, not sure if you call them works of art or great examples of fine craftsmanship but they certainly are worth collecting. |
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Location: Twin Cities Metro | FishinXtreme - 1/13/2022 10:49 AM
Some people prefer to drive the beat up rusty trucks and others choose to drive a new truck. Both will get you to your destination. To each their own. I enjoy collecting lures so I don’t have a problem spending a little more for quality.
I got back into muskie fishing about 5 years ago after a 20 year hiatus. At this stage, I'm slowly updating the more "entry-level" gear I bought when I started back up. So I'm not so much into collecting baits as I am into turning a 8'6" bargain rod into a 9'6" Thorne Predator that does just what I need. That's worth a few Ultra Dogs.  Yeah, I've got the money to collect baits, but I have other priorities.
I don't begrudge anyone their enjoyment of collecting baits. I hope it makes them/you happy as hell to view that wall of joy. Cheers! |
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Location: oswego, il | My favorite warm water LSC trolling baits didn't cost ten bucks when I bought them. Won out in a taste test against some of the best and famous LSC trolling lures. Some baits are worth the price some aren't. What can the bait do that a cheaper one can't? That's the question. |
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| The 70 dollar price tag on the Ultra Dawg and monster swimming Dawg is interesting.
Twice that of a mammoth curly sue, despite all 3 lures being made in the USA and the 2 MI lures are a bit smaller.
It is baisicaly the same price as the european big soft swimbaits (mel mamma shad, eastfield viper 40cm) so im guessing that's where the inspiration for the price came from.
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| monsterlures - 1/14/2022 7:39 AM
The 70 dollar price tag on the Ultra Dawg and monster swimming Dawg is interesting.
Twice that of a mammoth curly sue, despite all 3 lures being made in the USA and the 2 MI lures are a bit smaller.
It is baisicaly the same price as the european big soft swimbaits (mel mamma shad, eastfield viper 40cm) so im guessing that's where the inspiration for the price came from.
Just think of that price tag as a way to prevent a lot of shoulder surgeries down the road. |
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Location: Vilas | What side of the pole is the sucker on? |
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Location: oswego, il | sukrchukr - 1/14/2022 8:07 AM
What side of the pole is the sucker on?
You can't steal my tag line you can't triple stamp a double stamp... |
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Location: Alexandria, MN | I used to catch quite a few muskies on Rad Dogs and Inhalers. I still do, but I used to, too.
That said, Supernatural makes an awesome lure. |
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Location: Vilas | ToddM - 1/14/2022 8:45 AM
sukrchukr - 1/14/2022 8:07 AM
What side of the pole is the sucker on?
You can't steal my tag line you can't triple stamp a double stamp...
lol.... I knew I read it somewhere.........just thought it was perfect here |
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Location: Twin Cities Metro | Off the lure price topic, but the price of reels seems to be making the hop I expected as well. Abu Garcia Beast went from $300 to $330. Tranx from $300 to $310 or $500 to $520. The Daiwa Lexa HD seems to be holding steady, but that may be because they are being phased out in favor of the Prorex and/or the Lexa TW (how many different lines of heavy duty reels does one company usually keep in production at once?). The Tekota A seems to be going up from $210 to $220 as well.
Time to pull the trigger for me at places that haven’t restocked at the new prices, I guess. |
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Location: Elko - Lake Vermilion | I wonder how much inflation went up in the Fishing/Hunting world in the past year ?
Highest inflation in 40 years and not looking good for 2022... I hope I'm wrong.
As a small business owner, I had to raise my prices by 11 % over last year just to pay for the increased Labor and higher material costs.
"B" as in "B" ... "S" as in "S" ! |
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Location: oswego, il | Top H2O - 1/14/2022 11:49 AM
I wonder how much inflation went up in the Fishing/Hunting world in the past year ?
Highest inflation in 40 years and not looking good for 2022... I hope I'm wrong.
As a small business owner, I had to raise my prices by 11 % over last year just to pay for the increased Labor and higher material costs.
"B" as in "B" ... "S" as in "S" !
Covid and the severe drop and rise in demand. We will get through it. |
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| Top H2O - 1/14/2022 11:49 AM
I wonder how much inflation went up in the Fishing/Hunting world in the past year ?
Highest inflation in 40 years and not looking good for 2022... I hope I'm wrong.
As a small business owner, I had to raise my prices by 11 % over last year just to pay for the increased Labor and higher material costs.
"B" as in "B" ... "S" as in "S" !
I think labor costs will be higher. Work force has shrunk. 20 years ago, economists were predicting a short fall in the work force as the baby boomer exited the work force in droves. When I was still working, I was part of a group that helped survey Fond du Lac County employers, getting demographic information on their existing work force and asking for predictions for the next 10 years of what they would need for employees. That started in 2009 when the area was still reeling from the recession and had high unemployment. By the time the data was collected, revised, updated and analyzed 5 years later it showed there would be an absolute shortage of workers by 2020. Not just a shortage of the necessary skills but just bodies. And that is what happened. The baby boom generation was the biggest in history. One cartoon compared it to an elephant traveling through a boa constrictor. Well, a few years ago that boa started pooping us out and there simply are not enough new workers to replace us. Further compounded by the pandemic. In our region a lot of folks that had been in the hospitality industry, not making a lot of money got laid off or had their hours cut. They found out there were much better paying, full time jobs with benefits in manufacturing even in the northwoods. Some of the bars and restaurants can't quite grasp the idea that there are not a lot of workers looking for minimum wage, part time jobs. (I know you paid well before H20) |
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| They are calling it "the great resignation"...
A lot of boomers were riding out their last few years when the pandemic hit. It was only a matter of time for those folks anyway. But many of older gen x'ers went the same route. The pandemic made them realize just how much of life they had given up for their jobs, which in hindsight weren't all that great to begin with. Still others like N08 was referring to realized that the jobs they had before the pandemic pretty much sucked, and the pay did too. |
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