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| with unemployment numbers creeping toward 20%, recession here and uncertain times ahead..I doubt the travel/tourism business is going to be booming in 2021. count me out for booking my 2021 plans..until 2021  |
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Location: Minnesota. | horsehunter - 6/10/2020 5:01 PM
Harvard Dr. predicting 100,000 more American deaths by Sept. Almost 1000 people died yesterday, number of cases on the rise in 19 states hospitalizations up in 12. Americans appear to be throwing away the gains that were made by earlier sacrifices by relaxing restrictions prematurely. Keep it closed.
Fishing is nothing compared to a virus that'll kill you readily and is HIGHLY CONTAGIOUS.
Horsehunter's post only makes sense! It won't be forever... |
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Location: Northern Illinois | Agree ^^^. The virus is the virus despite what some would have you believe. |
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Location: SE, WI. | Sounds like Canada borders now closed till the 21st of July:(:(:( JD |
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Location: Rochester, MN | Perhaps this is nothing and I am reading too far into this... sounds as if Parks Canada is cancelling camping reservations for international travelers through Aug 7
https://globalnews.ca/news/7075035/parks-canada-camping-national-par...
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Location: Illinois | We are supposed to be on Eagle 2nd week of September...I know there’s no way to know for sure, but are we better off finding something in the US, or just waiting it out. Our group is pretty big (~12guys), so I don’t want to wait until the last minute to find accommodations with a group that size.
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| Like I posted earlier in the thread, ( week’s ago) we’d all see how the opening was going to go. Well, we’ve seen it. Canada has seen it, and now today even the European Union is making threats to keep us out. It’s not politics just because many of us try to make it political. It’s just a virus and we opened up the bars and beaches a bit too soon. Folks couldn’t stand it any more, I don’t blame them. I got yelled at for wearing a mask in one of my local tackle shops up here. I get it, the guy’s business is hurting and he thinks I’m gonna scare his customers. Put simply, he and others try to deny what they can’t bring themselves to admit. I’m 70, so I’m gonna be careful, I actually know some dead people from this. Anyway, my Canada trip is canceled too, it’s really disappointing, I just caught my 7th under 40 fish this season with none over 37 and I am not thrilled. But, it’s not politics, it’s just a xxxking virus. |
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| Junkman - 6/23/2020 5:30 PM
Like I posted earlier in the thread, ( week’s ago) we’d all see how the opening was going to go. Well, we’ve seen it. Canada has seen it, and now today even the European Union is making threats to keep us out. It’s not politics just because many of us try to make it political. It’s just a virus and we opened up the bars and beaches a bit too soon. Folks couldn’t stand it any more, I don’t blame them. I got yelled at for wearing a mask in one of my local tackle shops up here. I get it, the guy’s business is hurting and he thinks I’m gonna scare his customers. Put simply, he and others try to deny what they can’t bring themselves to admit. I’m 70, so I’m gonna be careful, I actually know some dead people from this. Anyway, my Canada trip is canceled too, it’s really disappointing, I just caught my 7th under 40 fish this season with none over 37 and I am not thrilled. But, it’s not politics, it’s just a xxxking virus.
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Location: Eastern Ontario | https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/rcmp-americans-banff-alaska-1...
https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/americans-alaska-loophole-banff_...
These are the types of things that make Canadians want to keep the border closed.When in a foreign country follow their rules you don't make your own.
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| This isn't going to help other countries want to invite us back.
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| If you get yelled at for wearing mask, you can remind them that COVID-19 is currently the 3rd leading cause of death in the USA behind heart disease and cancer. |
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| 81% of Covid deaths in Canada were in long term care homes. https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-new-data-show-canada-... |
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Location: Northern Illinois | Bondy - 6/25/2020 8:36 AM
81% of Covid deaths in Canada were in long term care homes. https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-new-data-show-canada-...
When you read the article, it points out that this fact is more a statement of how Canada failed to protect the senior citizens in long term care facilities than anything else.
To quote from the article,
"The flip side of the tragedy in long-term care is that Canada has done a better job of protecting people outside of seniors’ homes from the virus than many of its peer countries.
As of May 25, Canada had recorded fewer COVID-19 deaths per million than the OECD average, better than Belgium, Spain, Britain, the U.S. and others, but worse than standouts such as Australia, Israel and Norway."
Part of this protection is, apparently, keeping us out. Edited by RLSea 6/25/2020 8:14 PM
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Location: Zimmerman | Talked tonight with the Canadian hunting outfitter I’ve gone thru several times. From what they have heard they are planning on no US hunters this yr in October unless something drastic happens. Hope they are wrong, but not looking good for getting to Canada this summer/fall. FYI |
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| Apparently 55,000 cases today .... I think people still thinking about summer trips should start coming to the realization that the border will not be opening anytime soon. |
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Location: Chisholm, MN | Yup. Forget about it. |
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Location: MN | Several news reports out today saying border closed through August 21st.... Is what it is but unfortunate for many.... |
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| I have heard from some in Canada that they figure 2021 before non essentials are allowed into Canada. As they start reopeniing their country starting tomorrow, they will find cases rising as well. |
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| Lake of the Woods county has 0 cases. It gets flooded by fisherman and resorts have been open all season.
Death rate in MN is .03%. 1 in 3000 are at risk of death. Odds of death by choking on food is 1 in 2800.
Canada has every right to stay closed, but the facts just don't really justify the closure. |
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| I thought they might open this fall but now I doubt the border will be open at all this year |
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| I get your argument, especially given most of the deaths are occurring in assisted living facilities, however, the death rate based on number of deaths and confirmed positive in Minnesota is 3.4% not .03%....which is a big difference. Additionally, it isn't all about deaths, it is about healthcare (and healthcare worker) capacity - just look south for evidence of this. |
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| Conservation Guy - 7/16/2020 2:15 PM
I get your argument, especially given most of the deaths are occurring in assisted living facilities, however, the death rate based on number of deaths and confirmed positive in Minnesota is 3.4% not .03%....which is a big difference. Additionally, it isn't all about deaths, it is about healthcare (and healthcare worker) capacity - just look south for evidence of this.
CDC death rate in MN is 30 per 100,000
0.03%
How much is - 30 out of 100,000 written as a percentage? Convert fraction (ratio) - 30 / 100,000 Answer: - 0.03% |
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| You cannot create a death rate based on people who have not or have not yet caught COVID.....that is a rate that will change daily. The death rate at the start of the pandemic was 0% because the first confirmed case did not die from it, so that data point was useless. Assessing at the population level is reasonable for your risks of driving or cancer or choking on food, but not a pandemic that is spreading and has yet to hit the vast majority fo the population (whereas everyone is eating every day). Death rates have everything to do with exposure in public health. |
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| Conservation Guy - 7/16/2020 2:49 PM
You cannot create a death rate based on people who have not or have not yet caught COVID.....that is a rate that will change daily. The death rate at the start of the pandemic was 0% because the first confirmed case did not die from it, so that data point was useless. Assessing at the population level is reasonable for your risks of driving or cancer or choking on food, but not a pandemic that is spreading and has yet to hit the vast majority fo the population (whereas everyone is eating every day). Death rates have everything to do with exposure in public health.
I did not create the death rate...the CDC did and they have a whole map of it on their site. https://www.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#cases
However, my point was based on cases and data that's currently available its not spreading to places like Lake of the Woods county in MN, or other resort based communities.
Gondick Law speedway in Superior Wi has been holding stock car races every weekend all summer and there has been no spike in cases there either
Pretty good chance right now if you go fishing or sell bait you still have a pretty low chance of dying from Covid-19 despite the hysteria |
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| Funny how the "border is closed" but they are having 100% of the the NHL season in 2 cities in Canada. I guess if you are deemed "important" enough it's ok to cross. |
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| I thought conservationguy made the point but we will try again. The percent that have died is 0.03% not the death rate. Death rate is the number who catch the disease and die, this is 3.4% and with out an intervention the fist number will rise as more continue to catch the disease. 3.4% will not change because the death rate is dependent on catching the disease.
I am glad you do not have many cases by you but I can assure you (Chicago resident) that this is real and you will eventually see in in a neighborhood near you. Masks work and save lives. Don't be selfish out there. |
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| RJ_692 - 7/16/2020 3:06 PM
Conservation Guy - 7/16/2020 2:49 PM
You cannot create a death rate based on people who have not or have not yet caught COVID.....that is a rate that will change daily. The death rate at the start of the pandemic was 0% because the first confirmed case did not die from it, so that data point was useless. Assessing at the population level is reasonable for your risks of driving or cancer or choking on food, but not a pandemic that is spreading and has yet to hit the vast majority fo the population (whereas everyone is eating every day). Death rates have everything to do with exposure in public health.
I did not create the death rate...the CDC did and they have a whole map of it on their site. https://www.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#cases
However, my point was based on cases and data that's currently available its not spreading to places like Lake of the Woods county in MN, or other resort based communities.
Gondick Law speedway in Superior Wi has been holding stock car races every weekend all summer and there has been no spike in cases there either
Pretty good chance right now if you go fishing or sell bait you still have a pretty low chance of dying from Covid-19 despite the hysteria
Just an FYI, Superior and Ashland County were listed in the state wide covid report this morning as "hot Spots". |
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| I think that everyone should be under the assumption that it's going to be closed for awhile. A staggeringly high percentage of Canadian citizens do not want the border open. |
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