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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/politics/2020/05/13/wisconsin-su...
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| Ruling was not a surprise, given the oral arguments, will be interesting to see what happens with the legislature. So far they have released no plan but have said they want a say in what is done. So far, the bar across the lake from me has not opened for business as usual.
Later story said Safer at Home guidelines remain in place until May 20.
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Location: Hayward WI | Depending on what county you live in, things may not change. In Dane County, the local Health Dept. issued an order that adopted the Safer an Home guidelines, so essentially nothings changed here. |
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Location: Stevens Point, Wi. | And the supreme court is supposed to be apolitical.  |
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| As this ruling is being read at morning roll calls across the state, I bet that local cops are breathing a sigh of relief. Kdawg |
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| erico - 5/14/2020 9:18 AM
Depending on what county you live in, things may not change. In Dane County, the local Health Dept. issued an order that adopted the Safer an Home guidelines, so essentially nothings changed here.
Yes, if traveling in WI, need to check county, city policy. Dane and Brown counties are keeping the guidelines in place for a period of time. Cities of Milwaukee and Racine also are keeping safer at home guidelines in place. Bottom line is that the biggest cities in the state are still under the guidelines. For fishermen coming north, it probably will be a business by business decision, so check ahead. The bar and grill on the lake where I live is sticking with carry out only through the weekend while they figure out opening policy. They are popular with fishermen, so I am sure they want to open but want to do it safely. I checked the FB sites of a couple other places in Oneida County that are popular with fishermen, travelers and so far they have not posted when they will open. Lots of practical issues to be addressed, every thing from supplies of food and drink to staff availability. |
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Location: Chisholm, MN | I hope MN follows suit. |
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Location: NorthCentral WI | North of 8 - 5/14/2020 9:37 AM
I checked the FB sites of a couple other places in Oneida County that are popular with fishermen, travelers and so far they have not posted when they will open. Lots of practical issues to be addressed, every thing from supplies of food and drink to staff availability.
Many establishments have stated they will be opening either Friday or Monday at the latest. Thankfully these small business owners can start making some income again, please support them! |
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| The Sheriff of Iron County said all businesses can open. |
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| MartinTD - 5/14/2020 9:56 AM
North of 8 - 5/14/2020 9:37 AM
I checked the FB sites of a couple other places in Oneida County that are popular with fishermen, travelers and so far they have not posted when they will open. Lots of practical issues to be addressed, every thing from supplies of food and drink to staff availability.
Many establishments have stated they will be opening either Friday or Monday at the latest. Thankfully these small business owners can start making some income again, please support them!
The bar and grill on the lake where I live was getting a delivery of keg beer when I was on my walk today. The driver looked exhausted and it was only 10:30AM! |
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Location: Badger State | The Edge on Lake Wissota is open now n the bar for drinks and food as well as on the deck. The staff is wearing masks and has moved tables apart to accommodate an appropriate amount of social distancing. Good place for boats to pull up for a snack, lunch, or dinner. |
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Location: Twin Cities, MN | The governor ( or should I say his "admin" ) clearly over stepped their constitutional authority under the WI constitution in extending the stay at home order. It's the courts role to review when that occurs, and so they did.
Rather refreshing to see the court confirm that how they went about extending the stay at home violated the constitution and did not just make something up along the way.
As a side note, I cannot see MN following suit any time soon.
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| Pal - 5/14/2020 1:45 PM
The governor ( or should I say his "admin" ) clearly over stepped their constitutional authority under the WI constitution in extending the stay at home order. It's the courts role to review when that occurs, and so they did.
Rather refreshing to see the court confirm that how they went about extending the stay at home violated the constitution and did not just make something up along the way.
As a side note, I cannot see MN following suit any time soon.
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Well, they did rule that but it was a 4 to 3 vote, so it may not have been all that clear. |
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Location: Twin Cities, MN | Well, they did rule that but it was a 4 to 3 vote, so it may not have been all that clear.
Yes, I am no attorney, but in general there are very different views of the constitution and not just in Wisconsin at the state level. So while the judges might have all started reading the same constitution, what they might interpret that to actually "mean" to them usually falls into 2 schools of thought. It is not too hard to figure out ahead of time how things are going to go many times based on who nominated them to the bench. Occasionally there is a surprise though.
Personally, I think the Gov could have accomplished an extension to the stay at home without it resorting to what he tried. What do I know, I am just a lowly tax payer.
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| Pal - 5/14/2020 5:18 PM
Well, they did rule that but it was a 4 to 3 vote, so it may not have been all that clear.
Yes, I am no attorney, but in general there are very different views of the constitution and not just in Wisconsin at the state level. So while the judges might have all started reading the same constitution, what they might interpret that to actually "mean" to them usually falls into 2 schools of thought. It is not too hard to figure out ahead of time how things are going to go many times based on who nominated them to the bench. Occasionally there is a surprise though.
Personally, I think the Gov could have accomplished an extension to the stay at home without it resorting to what he tried. What do I know, I am just a lowly tax payer.
Have a nice night
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I think our governor could have done things differently and I was not being contrary, just pointing out it was a close vote, with one of the most conservative justices, Walker's former chief legal advisor siding with Evers. That was a big surprise for court watchers. Ended up with a little spat between him and the another very conservative justice. They normally vote exactly the same. |
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Location: Twin Cities, MN | No worries, it's all good. Personally I am enjoying our little civics banter ... Most people want nothing to do with it. Court watching can be very interesting at times.
Take care
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| It's nice to see we all can start making decisions for ourselves. Each individual can decide if visiting a local establishment is right for them. If not comfortable, stay home. Let's get the national forest open now for the holiday weekend. |
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| This was in the Star Tribune today
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Location: Vilas County, WI | All business can re-open in Vilas county with the following of social distancing practices. In my area, I'm estimating 50/50 so far. Our area is very tourist based (Vilas County has only 20,000 permanent residents; summer season sees 100,000 occupants). The business owners don't know where these customers are coming from (areas of higher rates of COVID) or who they've been exposed to... but on the flipside they've been closed for so long, they need the business to survive. There is definitely a divide on opinions.
WJFW channel 12 outta Rhinelander is running an online poll now. 3 questions with over 2,300 responses so far as of this AM.
Do you feel comfortable going to a friends house for dinner? 70% yes; 30% no
Do you feel comfortable dining inside a restaurant? 50/50
Do you feel comfortable attending a large sporting event? 30 yes; 70 no
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Location: oswego, il | If it's ok to be out and make your own social distancing decisions why not open the schools? I didn't realize we were all health experts. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | ToddM - 5/15/2020 8:48 AM
If it's ok to be out and make your own social distancing decisions why not open the schools? I didn't realize we were all health experts.
As I understand it... then it isn't a 'choice' to expose the kids and it's impossible to follow guidelines.
Again, the idea was not to 'stop' the virus, it was to control the number of cases spreading them out over time. It's absolutely inevitable we are going to see it go through the North, and sooner now than later. What we were doing wasn't doing much but keeping hospitals empty up here and after the 26th, just 11 days away, the people would have been here filling up the seasonal homes. It's going to get here no matter what. I worry about Minocqua, that place gets REALLY busy in the Summer.
I am certainly not an infectious disease specialist, but I listen to them and will do what I need to to reduce my risk as much as is possible until a vaccine is available. Doesn't mean I am 100% safe but it never did. I don't need anyone to 'order' me to self isolate and neither should anyone else at high risk, but I bet some folks do. Those folks will get sick and some will die, some will not even know they were sick and some will be moderately ill. I'm not going to be 'that guy', but I do have to go to the clinic in a week for a kidney check up...no choice. I'm not happy about it, but I could die from kidney failure too. This sucks.
I did have to remind a relative today that planned time with a friend who had been out in the public a lot in a crowded situation meant no contact with me for a couple weeks. Meeting was cancelled.
The rest of the population up here seems to be about 50/50 on safety measures and 100 on being strapped for cash unless still working as en essential worker. Those who don't practice run a much larger risk of infection and many will get sick and some will die. Was and is inevitable, the virus doesn't care about politics or timing.
Jury is out on this for now as to what this will do to the health care system up here. Here's to hoping the curve is manageable. Either way I'm hiding big time. |
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Location: WI | ToddM - 5/15/2020 8:48 AM
If it's ok to be out and make your own social distancing decisions why not open the schools? I didn't realize we were all health experts.
The curve has been flatten. Healthcare now has the resources to handle surges. Those were main health expert talking points when stay at home began. This is no longer a black and white decision to be made by public health experts alone.
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Location: oswego, il | Steve, jury is definitely out. My risk comes from my neighbors who practice no social distancing, come and go all day and have 4 attention starved kids who are on me like Jacare Souza the second I go to the back garage to get or work on my boats. |
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| Minocqua will be interesting to watch. As Steve said it gets really busy in the summer. And that may be an understatement. Shoulder to shoulder on the sidewalks, every table full in the restaurants/bars busy. I wonder if people will come in those numbers this year. Staffing is always tough for the businesses there and probably even tougher this year. I like going there a couple of times each year during the summer, only a little over half hour away, but won't be going this year. It has to be agonizing for the business people there. They don't have a long season to begin with, in particular places like gift shops. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | ToddM - 5/15/2020 10:08 AM
Steve, jury is definitely out. My risk comes from my neighbors who practice no social distancing, come and go all day and have 4 attention starved kids who are on me like Jacare Souza the second I go to the back garage to get or work on my boats.
We're lucky, we live out in the middle of nowhere with one neighbor who is very careful. |
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Location: SW Ohio | OH partially "opened" last night. Today, it looks like business as usual. While I disagree with closing the state to begin with, time will tell if it was worth it to shut everything down instead of having the high risk persons stay home. Last week, Cabelas could only have 100 people in the store. Today it was 200. Yesterday, the flea markets were closed. Today they open and packed. It's human nature to flock back to the things you miss the most and it shows.
So, since our washer crapped out this week and ruined 6 of my wife's work blouses, we are off to find a washer i can bring home tonight to tomorrow. Fun stuff... |
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| The idea that those at risk can just self-isolate is great except for those that do not have the option. The problem is that most conversations have simply been black and white (open or not) primarily because we are missing a cohesive measurement and transition strategy (what do we do to find emerging hotspots and what do we do to contain them). |
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Location: SW Ohio | Not sure why that would not be an option for high risk people unless they are self employed. The government is trying to support the whole country (to what affect we’ll only find out in the future) so it would make sense to protect those that need it most, not all 320M+ of us. It’s almost like it is some grand social experiment vs an actual attempt to save us from a virus. But that’s an argument for another day. You can not trust any numbers associated with C-19 until they separate all the other causes of deaths that are now rolled into C-19 statistics. |
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| OH Musky - 5/16/2020 8:24 PM
Not sure why that would not be an option for high risk people unless they are self employed. The government is trying to support the whole country (to what affect we’ll only find out in the future) so it would make sense to protect those that need it most, not all 320M+ of us. It’s almost like it is some grand social experiment vs an actual attempt to save us from a virus. But that’s an argument for another day. You can not trust any numbers associated with C-19 until they separate all the other causes of deaths that are now rolled into C-19 statistics.
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| Double Amen. Kdawg |
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