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Location: Vilas | Ive just spent 3 hours in the garage sharpening hooks. I came across a bait, that when I walked out of Rollie & Hellens, I had the most confidence in ever. I almost felt bad, those poor muskies are in for it now!!....a Holo Walleye Bulldawg.......Ive casted that thing and casted it and casted it.....never even a follow... dark water, clear water, in Wi and on Eagle Lake.....Zero, Zippo....Nada....
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Location: Athens, Ohio | Yep, most of mine do that, too. It's gotta be the bait...m |
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Location: Neapolitan Chain Of Lakes | Cheer up buddy I have about 8000 musky baits in my basement (At least that's conservatively the amount I used to tell my girl I had awhile ago) and about 7900 of them stay down there after giving them all many many shots at stardom. And another 50 better start acting right or they're going down there too! Anyone that doesn't believe don't make me send you a pic that would leave you in tears at the stacks and stacks of Plano boxes and huge tubs full. So you have one bait that won't produce?....please.... you're lucky. Lol
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Location: Northern Illinois | esox109 - 4/25/2020 7:10 PM
Cheer up buddy I have about 8000 musky baits in my basement (At least that's conservatively the amount I used to tell my girl I had awhile ago) and about 7900 of them stay down there after giving them all many many shots at stardom. And another 50 better start acting right or they're going down there too! Anyone that doesn't believe don't make me send you a pic that would leave you in tears at the stacks and stacks of Plano boxes and huge tubs full. So you have one bait that won't produce?....please.... you're lucky. Lol
LOL! Cracks me up because I guess I'm not alone here! |
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Location: oswego, il | A bait is only good using it in the right time, the right place and the right way.
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Location: Ames, Iowa | FLP- The lure is only 1/3 of the equation. Really 1/4 because I add the fisherman.
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| I learned my lesson years ago. Now I just stick to a handful of baits that I know work.I'm done searching for a "magic" bait. I now realize that I'm only as good at this sport as I allow myself to be. I now spend my time learning how to better use the baits I have. My numbers have increased using this philosophy and my wallet is fatter too! |
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Location: Neapolitan Chain Of Lakes | See you just provided more anecdotal data that just proves what all the biologists have been saying for years about stomach contents data....Muskies don't eat a lot of walleyes!!! You know what does eat a lot of walleyes? People...LOL. So maybe trade that walleye dawg for a ball licker, cisco or sucker colored one. And the only reason I know what anecdotal means cuz Dr. Fauci. Thanks Corona virus.
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| How about this scenario. You have a particular bait that catches fish after fish. What do you naturally do? You go out and buy a few more, same bait, same color, but none of the replacement baits catch anything. Weird. Kdawg |
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Location: Neapolitan Chain Of Lakes | How about this scenario. You have a particular bait that catches fish after fish. What do you naturally do? You go out and buy a few more, same bait, same color, but none of the replacement baits catch anything. Weird. Kdawg
Kdawg- that is a loaded scenario and could fill up pages of text but it's not really weird if you dig deeper. Now I'm not an educated scientist or engineer and I've been told I'm mental so don't pay much attention but I think it's about a bait's signature in the water whether it be sound, thump, water displacement, grind, and manufacture, etc. Take a handful of fat bastards for example and look at the tails......I mean REALLY look at them like you just did peyote on the Res and were hyper focused on details. Some tails are bent different. Another is to take a handful of identical baits and weigh them. Not on your bathroom scale I mean on a hustle scale that weighs in grams there are many differences in weight. There are many many other examples but you get the picture. So there is a reason why that bucktail with no hair left catches all the fish and the "Identical" one leaves your buddy asking why but explaining that one would take awhile and leave no doubt about how geeked out I am on those. |
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| A bait is only as good as the person working it. |
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| My particular example, is a bullfrog patterned top raider. My first one has half a dozen muskies under it's belt into the low forties, and some big pike in the 35" to 40" class. The bait is all scratched up and I had to replace the shrink tubing a number of times. I bought a couple more but they don't even get a look at. Back to the first bait, and the action starts up all over again. Kdawg |
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Location: Neapolitan Chain Of Lakes | Kdawg- Those topraiders are a great example. Through the years those are definitely different. Take the oldest one you or maybe your dad has and one of the new ones and shake it especially the tail. Look at the hooks.The brand new ones are very different in my opinion. Even some of the old ones when compared have different sounds. Is the tail bent EXACTLY at the same angles? I put a bigger rear hook on my topraider cuz the old tail hooks are too small in my opinion so after catching multiple fish(And losing some because I thought the small hook), getting chewed many times, and sharpening the hook it was time for a hook and wrap change. When I did I upsized the rear hook and I swear I saw a musky give me the middle fin and it just sucked and would not produce anymore. After awhile I thought about what changed and I thought "No way" so I changed back to the original size rear hook and voila she's baaaaaack. Caught another 8 fish before replacing hook again with the SAME hook size Lol. I believe That little change in weight pulled the prop down in the water and changed the signature/sound/plop and thus it's effectiveness. As far as the desktop pro's that say it's ALL about the angler throwing it Cmon man. I let my girl throw that topraider cuz she was fascinated with the plop plop and then was slapping it on the water and pulling it and was jolted back to reality when a 4 footer destroyed it! And I will say that I definitely didn't work the bait that way when I caught the 20 or so fish that I've caught on it. Needless to say my buddy in the boat frantically searched for his topraider after she caught that one to absolutely no avail. So stop it with the "its all about the person throwing it" BS. Lol baits matter.
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Location: Vilas | Ive caught alot of fish on Bulldawgs....I know how to use them.
I finally gave up on that Holo Walleye dawg |
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Location: Perryville, MO | esox109 - 4/26/2020 9:33 AM
So maybe trade that walleye dawg for a ball licker, cisco or sucker colored one.
Alright, so I understand your logic with the cisco and sucker, but WHAT's the deal with the other one? 
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Location: Chisholm, MN | I’ve owned 2 headlock/mattlocks and have never caught a fish on them. That’s my letdown. |
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Location: oswego, il | Another factor is tactic diversity. You buy a bait that's outside of what you like or are comfortable doing. In my boat I see some of my less experienced partners going back to comfort baits even when they are not working.when the bait they should be using they throw for 10 minutes, take it off and will end up at home collecting dust.
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Location: Neapolitan Chain Of Lakes | Hawkeye- If you don't know what color ball licker is it's easy to google. Once you do It's real simple my friend....bullheads.....or if you're in Minnesota bowfin....Don't think they're on the menu? Better do some research. Black isn't only popular cuz it's the color most people throw. Just kidding on only Mn and bowfin...take it easy.....there's bowfin in Wi and other places too it's just when bass fishing some awesome lakes in Mn I found quite a few of those mean, angry, prehistoric turds that wreck a perfectly good bass crank with their 20 grit mouths. I mean make it look like you dragged it on the road behind you when driving there! Lol
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| Bondy baits are my let down lure. I Have tried jigging steep breaks in the fall and have jigged around open water pelagic baitfish but have yet to experience a bone-jarring strike on any of my Bondys. I have to use them a lot more to really write them off though lol, and I know they work based on videos and articles so I'm going to keep fishing them until they work!!
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Location: NE Ohio | Musker007 - 4/27/2020 5:00 PM
Bondy baits are my let down lure. I Have tried jigging steep breaks in the fall and have jigged around open water pelagic baitfish but have yet to experience a bone-jarring strike on any of my Bondys. I have to use them a lot more to really write them off though lol, and I know they work based on videos and articles so I'm going to keep fishing them until they work!!
- Dustin
muskyblog.com
never a bone jarring strike here also but have caught many on them in the summer time in 20 to 30' of water on shelfs. they always hit me when the bait is falling and all you feel is a little "tick" or slack line. NEVER a hard hit in a lot of years and fish.
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| that other color is also known as the more polite BL = black body white belly with a orange tail if on a bulldawg I have a custom double D in this pattern and the last 1" is orange kinda like some Walleye colored bait have the last part white (by the tail)
Even though Muskies eat more perch and suckers then Walleyes brown or walleye color baits work well for me.
A bucktail orange blade brown tail been a good one for me. Orange Chart not matching the hatch but they work.
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| Many hundreds of dollars worth (or more).
Then after many years for any given lake and time of year I never need more than 3. Say Chautauqua in the fall: Couple DDD's, a few depth Raiders and a Wolly Bully Bucktail or 2.
Where as Conesus in the fall, Mepps black Fury, Depth Raider and some saltwater Rapala's.
Took years to get it down to just the few I need.
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Location: Mt. Zion, IL | for me it's been the swimin' dawg. i've caught 100's of fish on poseidons, just not on the swimin' dawg.
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| straight shafted bucktails...don't know if i've ever caught a fish on one...and know for a fact never on one that ends in bell. Weird how fishing works. |
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Location: Neapolitan Chain Of Lakes | RJ- If you want to sell all your straight shafted bucktails, you know the ones that don't work, I'll buy all of them. Especially the ones that end in girl or bell or tail. |
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| esox109 - 5/5/2020 8:02 AM
RJ- If you want to sell all your straight shafted bucktails, you know the ones that don't work, I'll buy all of them. Especially the ones that end in girl or bell or tail.
Ha i know right!! I am pretty much making all my own now so i do have a large assortment i would be comfortable selling |
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Location: Alexandria, MN | Bulldawgs. They're a great tool, and I raise a lot of fish on them.... just don't seem to get bit like I do on bucktails or cranks. Other guys live and die by them..... go figure. |
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Location: WI | Phantoms. I've never even had a follow using any of the 5 or 6 I own. |
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| RyanJoz - 5/4/2020 11:20 AM
for me it's been the swimin' dawg. i've caught 100's of fish on poseidons, just not on the swimin' dawg.
Had to chuckle at this, as my experience is the complete opposite. Of course time in the water is probably 3 to 1, so that plays a part, but you'd think it would have paid off at least a little. Such are the vagaries of fishing. |
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Location: Eastern Ontario | All my baits work if it moves it's food I just won't live long enough to use them all . It's timing and location so I only use a few baits and don't waste time changing baits. If I'm casting I have a suick on one rod and a spinner bait on another and go. When trolling I've pretty much settled on Hosebaits they work are well made and the head hosebag is a good friend. I take a half dozen out and the model depends on location and timing colour is less important but it's pretty much always brown perch. Again no muskie is going to say that's brown perch I think I'll wait fo r glitter perch. |
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