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| I don't think anybody said its a curado rebranded or shimano is trying to SUCKER anybody.
Except for the person who said this?
I think they just stuck the name on it to sucker people in thinking it was a real tranx
The proof is always in the pudding, of course. By this time next year folks will have a lot more information after having used them for a full season. At the same time, I remember how quiet the "too big" and "too expensive" and "too too too" skeptics became after the Tranx 500 was out for a year of general use. Lots of other brands have promised the next best thing in muskie reels, and very few have delivered the same consistent quality as Shimano, so I'm betting this will probably be a winner too.
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| I hope the speedy version of the 400 can deliver enough power to handle larger 10s without the weight of the 500HG. You can get a wonderfully light rod for 10s if you go custom, but then you are stuck sticking a giant Tranx to achieve the desired levels of power/speed/durability to handle the big blades. If the 400 can deliver an acceptable level of those three attributes with lighter weight it will be a welcome addition to my line up.
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| Can anybody confirm 100% that there will be new offerings from Shimano this spring? I was just going to order a reel that I found for a good price but will hold off if new products will be available in a few months. |
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Location: St. Lawrence River | wisskie - 1/11/2017 1:35 PM
Can anybody confirm 100% that there will be new offerings from Shimano this spring? I was just going to order a reel that I found for a good price but will hold off if new products will be available in a few months.
Take this for what it's worth to you.
Like I said before, and like others have said, Chase Outdoors is offering at this very moment what they are calling a Shimano Tranx 300 and a Shimano Tranx 400 in both 5.8.1 gear assembly and a 7.6.1 gear assembly. They are captioned with " **Ships in March." Indicating that if you purchase right now for around $299.99, your reel will ship in March. They are labeled with a picture of what seems like a reengineered Curado but who could know? They may not have even been supplied a photo.
I would wait if I were you my friend. That's just me. You can always snag Curados, Beasts, Lexas and the like for cheap on eBay. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | wisskie - 1/11/2017 12:35 PM
Can anybody confirm 100% that there will be new offerings from Shimano this spring? I was just going to order a reel that I found for a good price but will hold off if new products will be available in a few months.
Obviously, yes. A Tranx 400 and a Tranx 300. March launch...stand by for any other news we receive. |
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Location: MN | sworrall - 1/11/2017 5:48 PM
wisskie - 1/11/2017 12:35 PM
Can anybody confirm 100% that there will be new offerings from Shimano this spring? I was just going to order a reel that I found for a good price but will hold off if new products will be available in a few months.
Obviously, yes. A Tranx 400 and a Tranx 300. March launch...stand by for any other news we receive.
Steve will you do a review of these like you did with the new Abu reels. I found those helpful. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Absolutely. |
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| anybody see weight and IPT stats on the 400 sizes? |
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| I don't see them on the Chase Outdoors site anymore, but I wanna say they were in the 11.5 - 12 oz. range.
300A/400A was 30" per crank (5.8:1).
300AHG/400AHG was 40" per crank (7.6:1 I believe). |
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Location: Hayward, WI | Will be interesting to see what they come up with, or what comes out I should say. Surprised nobody commented on the gear ratios though. Seems most TRANX proponents sang praises about the Inches Per Turn of the TRANX and getting it with such low gear ratios compared to many other reels.
The 5.8 and 7.6 ratios are fairly high - not much different than other reels in this size range. Maybe even higher. I'm sure they will be very nice reels, but wonder if they will be the smaller bullet proof double 10 reel that I think many people are hoping they are (and I understand that making extreme durability in a smaller package is probably THE challenge that reel makers face so it's just the nature of the beast).
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Location: Mt. Zion, IL | I am also interested in seeing the internals for the new "Tranx" 400 sized reels. I service reels as a side business and have not seen anything that is built like the Tranx 500 reels. I hope the 400 is truly a smaller 500 as far as the internal components are concerned. The release mechanism and bar, gear size, captured pinion gear, and sheer size make the 500 a tank. I hope the 400 lives up to the Tranx name. I will be watching closely to see the internals of the 400 before making purchases for myself. If they are as solid as the 500's, I will likely dump several of the other reels that I have. |
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Location: MN | curleytail - 1/12/2017 9:49 AM
Will be interesting to see what they come up with, or what comes out I should say. Surprised nobody commented on the gear ratios though. Seems most TRANX proponents sang praises about the Inches Per Turn of the TRANX and getting it with such low gear ratios compared to many other reels.
The 5.8 and 7.6 ratios are fairly high - not much different than other reels in this size range. Maybe even higher. I'm sure they will be very nice reels, but wonder if they will be the smaller bullet proof double 10 reel that I think many people are hoping they are (and I understand that making extreme durability in a smaller package is probably THE challenge that reel makers face so it's just the nature of the beast).
Tucker
The fact that they require such high gear ratio to achieve the IPT tells me the gears are not as big so I'm thinking they will require more effort/work and will not feel as good but we'll see |
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Location: Hayward, WI | Propster - 1/12/2017 11:51 AM
curleytail - 1/12/2017 9:49 AM
Will be interesting to see what they come up with, or what comes out I should say. Surprised nobody commented on the gear ratios though. Seems most TRANX proponents sang praises about the Inches Per Turn of the TRANX and getting it with such low gear ratios compared to many other reels.
The 5.8 and 7.6 ratios are fairly high - not much different than other reels in this size range. Maybe even higher. I'm sure they will be very nice reels, but wonder if they will be the smaller bullet proof double 10 reel that I think many people are hoping they are (and I understand that making extreme durability in a smaller package is probably THE challenge that reel makers face so it's just the nature of the beast).
Tucker
The fact that they require such high gear ratio to achieve the IPT tells me the gears are not as big so I'm thinking they will require more effort/work and will not feel as good but we'll see
I think the main thing it means is the spool isn't as tall so they need a higher ratio to get the desired inches per turn. One could probably say the smaller reel likely needs smaller diameter gears too, which might not be any harder to turn necessarily, but might be less durable and more likely to get rough over time if the gear teeth start to round off/deform due to less surface area.
Just speculation at this point though.
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Location: Madison, WI | curleytail - 1/12/2017 12:22 PM
Propster - 1/12/2017 11:51 AM
curleytail - 1/12/2017 9:49 AM
Will be interesting to see what they come up with, or what comes out I should say. Surprised nobody commented on the gear ratios though. Seems most TRANX proponents sang praises about the Inches Per Turn of the TRANX and getting it with such low gear ratios compared to many other reels.
The 5.8 and 7.6 ratios are fairly high - not much different than other reels in this size range. Maybe even higher. I'm sure they will be very nice reels, but wonder if they will be the smaller bullet proof double 10 reel that I think many people are hoping they are (and I understand that making extreme durability in a smaller package is probably THE challenge that reel makers face so it's just the nature of the beast).
Tucker
The fact that they require such high gear ratio to achieve the IPT tells me the gears are not as big so I'm thinking they will require more effort/work and will not feel as good but we'll see
I think the main thing it means is the spool isn't as tall so they need a higher ratio to get the desired inches per turn. One could probably say the smaller reel likely needs smaller diameter gears too, which might not be any harder to turn necessarily, but might be less durable and more likely to get rough over time if the gear teeth start to round off/deform due to less surface area.
Just speculation at this point though.
Tucker
Agreed... i think from an effort standpoint it really simplifies it to look at just the IPT vs handle length rather than gear ratio/reel size/ all that jazz. if i can slap my LJV handle on the 400 size the 40 IPT will be amazing. |
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Location: Contrarian Island | with the size, IPT, and gearing I have a very hard time believing they are going to bring in a 10 with the ease and speed the 500 HG does... pretty much no chance of that imo...but will they possibly be good reels for 8s/9s and other lures it sounds like it...but to think a 400 size is gonna bring in a 10 at the speed of the 500...doubtful at best. |
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Location: MN | It might do the speed but with more effort |
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| I'm very interested in the size of the handle connection. Being able to stick an LJV or Jigging World aftermarket handle on one would be great...and will speak volumes about the amount of torque that the gears and spool shaft can handle.
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| There will be a big fishing show (clermont) in europe this weekend.
The tranx 301/401 is likely to replace the curado 301 in the european market, maybe we will get more info this weekend. |
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| The material the gears are made of will be an important factor of durability as well. Brass would not be great, stainless would be way better. Much like Daiwa went away from brass in the Lexa |
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Location: MN | musky513 - 1/12/2017 2:54 PM
The material the gears are made of will be an important factor of durability as well. Brass would not be great, stainless would be way better. Much like Daiwa went away from brass in the Lexa
Except they will get noisy as heck |
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Location: Madison, WI | I read on a saltwater site that part of the price reduction is because these are being made in malaysia instead of Japan. No idea if this holds any water though. |
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| "Except they will get noisy as heck"
The brass gears got noisy as heck on my Lexas in less than a years worth of not heavy use...I can't imagine that a stainless gear that is harder and less prone to wear would be worse... |
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Location: Mt. Zion, IL | musky513 - 1/12/2017 2:54 PM
The material the gears are made of will be an important factor of durability as well. Brass would not be great, stainless would be way better. Much like Daiwa went away from brass in the Lexa
The Tranx 500's have brass gears. Brass is fine if it is the right material, hardness, is machined properly, etc. Stainless is by nature noisy. |
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Location: MN | musky513 - 1/12/2017 7:14 PM
"Except they will get noisy as heck"
The brass gears got noisy as heck on my Lexas in less than a years worth of not heavy use...I can't imagine that a stainless gear that is harder and less prone to wear would be worse...
That's more because it's a Lexa than because it's brass. I work on a lot of Lexas. |
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| I just read on a french fishing blog that the tranx 301/401 should be presented at the clermont fishing show this weekend in france.
http://esoxiste.com/cnpl-2017-presents-absents/
Read the comments of this article if you understand french. |
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Location: Apparently where the Muskie aren't | I've been digging around the internet looking for some nacl'S but I heard about the tranx 300 and 400 yesterday. Does anybody have any photos of the 400 I was able to find photos of the 300 but nothing in the 400. |
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| The shimano new zealand link on the first page of this thread has a pic of it |
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Location: mercer wi | This is my opinion. I think this new tranx line will be and outstanding reel to have, both gears. But I can't believe this will be a small version on the 500 tranx. The 500 tranx it a straight up power reel. I've used both, I've used the beast 60 in both gears, I've used lexa 400 in 5 and 6 gear. Nothing on the market compares to the 500 power. If all I threw was 10 blade, all I'd use is the 500pg. If all I threw was super rubber, all is use is the hg. The only down fall for the 500 is the size FOR ME. I believe the new smaller line of tranx will fill that low pro demand for shimano. These will be great all around reels. |
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| upnortdave - 1/13/2017 6:52 PM
This is my opinion. I think this new tranx line will be and outstanding reel to have, both gears. But I can't believe this will be a small version on the 500 tranx. The 500 tranx it a straight up power reel. I've used both, I've used the beast 60 in both gears, I've used lexa 400 in 5 and 6 gear. Nothing on the market compares to the 500 power. If all I threw was 10 blade, all I'd use is the 500pg. If all I threw was super rubber, all is use is the hg. The only down fall for the 500 is the size FOR ME. I believe the new smaller line of tranx will fill that low pro demand for shimano. These will be great all around reels.
Agreed. These will be 300 and 400 size reels so expecting them to perform like a 500 size reel is misguided. These will be ergonomic 300 and 400 size reels with the performance and durability you'd expect from Shimano.
I suspect these will use a lot of the same parts you see in the Calcutta D series, just in a low-profile design. Tranx was a trinidad with a levelwind.
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| My one an only question is why is it that there willing to make the 301 an 401 in lefty but they won't in the 500? If they feel there's a market with the 301an 401 the same markets there for the 500 |
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