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| How come no mention of Hayward lakes. Is it not the home of the world record? |
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Location: Minnetonka | Wisconsin has held something like 5 world records...if you believe in fairy tales.
Spray's garage by 1949... 
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| I wonder whether Rainey Lake might be a possibility. Huge body of water, not a ton of muskies but also not a ton of pressure. One of the younger Lindners did a segment from there recently and they caught some big fish. The only time I was there I fished for walleye but my sister lived on the lake for a few years and in talking to a couple locals they said that there were not a ton of muskies but that there were some big fish in areas like Redgut Bay. |
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Location: Hayward, Wisconsin | horsehunter (Frank): As I noted before, there are many other waters that "could" pop a 60"...proper genetics is the KEY! So toss in whatever lakes you want to, including Scugog.
To answer your question: "Is the guy that catches the biggest fish out of Shoepac accomplishment the same as the guy that catches the biggest fish from St Clair or any other lake"? My answer is YES!!!
Masqui-ninja: "This is a great thread. Larry- Without necessarily naming a specific lake, what about the odds of a lesser known and fertile lake, like from western MN or metro MN? I feel like a smaller, stocked MN lake could kick out a giant soon."
LR: Thanks Masqui! As I have noted, any lake with the right genetics could be a "potential" or "sleeper". However, waterbody size and pressure both contribute to potential...bigger water and less pressure is a HUGE factor!
IAJustin: "Just to Clarify my GB was Green Bay.. I think that was what Nelson was referring to as the wildcard..with 56 and 57" fish showing up recently most all being released who knows?"
LR: Guess we had better spell out or "GB,s"! And don't forget I know of at least one 59 from Green Bay waters and also a 58!
vegas492: "I smiled when I saw LVD on the list. Good times on that lake in the past. Good time. Never saw a giant out there like that, but you gotta love a lake that has a spot called "Valley of the Giants". And yah, best thread in a very, very long time."
LR: LVD hasn't put out any real giants in quite some time, but the two largest hybrids ever have come from there and a 60" true muskie was found dead after being hit by a motor there!
25homes: "I honestly believe there is a giant like that right here in PA..I believe there are couple lakes that could hold one and I believe the alleghany has one that size hiding somewhere."
LR: Can't disagree with you 25...Conneaught produced a couple near 5 footers back in history (a long way back however) and I heard horror stories about Allegany for years!
25homes: "That video on the site where black guy is being interviewed by the white guy in the tackle store..based of the pics that fish looks like it could be legit huge none the less."
LR: Yes, that was a giant, BUT, I don't personally it was nearly as big as it was hyped to be!!!
WImuskyfisherman: "How come no mention of Hayward lakes. Is it not the home of the world record?
LR: Not really in my opinion!!! That I had to answer that question shows you must be fairly new to this site and haven't read my latest "Compendium of Muskie Angling History"; Volume I. All the facts are there for you to see and is excerpted on my website (which is temp. being redone, but will hopefully be back up soon...after someone hacked it who obviously didn't like what I had to say!)
MuskyMatt71: LOL!!!!!!!!
North of 8: "I wonder whether Rainey Lake might be a possibility. Huge body of water, not a ton of muskies but also not a ton of pressure. One of the younger Lindners did a segment from there recently and they caught some big fish. The only time I was there I fished for walleye but my sister lived on the lake for a few years and in talking to a couple locals they said that there were not a ton of muskies but that there were some big fish in areas like Redgut Bay."
LR: Very doubtful...I know of nothing from there over 43-pounds. Used to be a supposed monster by Elephant Rock in Redgut Bay, but was never caught.
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| I think Gordon Lightfoot nailed it with the tune, "The Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald". She is suspended off the "Fitz" in Lake Superior. Kdawg |
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Location: Already Gone | Somewhere in the Wisconsin River ..... |
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| LR: Can't disagree with you 25...Conneaught produced a couple near 5 footers back in history (a long way back however) and I heard horror stories about Allegany for years!
also tionesta alleghany resivoir and pymatuning ive seen a giant come out of pymatuning in last couple years had to be close to 55 or btr |
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| If I had to pick one place to live it would be the Hayward area. If I had to pick one species to fish it would be Musky. Love Hayward and prefer to fish the water in that area over anywhere else in the Midwest but I would not consider it a good area for a chance at a BIG fish. I also believe that all the hype about a world record coming out of the Chip is a big farce. Lake Wissota has potential of big fish but largest ive heard caught in the past 10 years was 56" with rumors from the DNR that they have shocked a legit 60" but I think just about every lake in the Midwest has the same rumors. |
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Location: Northwest Chicago Burbs | She swims somewhere in the Great Lakes. She no longer spawns. You will never contact her unless you're fishing 20 miles off shore and 30' deep. |
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Location: Eastern Ontario | this past summer I heard of 4 big ( not record proportions ) muskies caught by salmon fishermen downrigging deep water. Two of the fish were from Georgian Bay and 2 from Lake Ontario. Unfortunately the combination of the anglers not being prepared to deal with the fish and being pulled up from deep water meant that the fish did not survive. Who knows what swims out in the depths unmolested.
Both GB fish were caught the same day by the same boat.
I was not aware that old females reached a state where they no longer spawn. do they not develop eggs or do they reabsorb them.
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Location: Hayward, Wisconsin | horsehunter: It is not a proven thing that "old females" no longer spawn. In 1986, when I helped Dr. Benard Lebeau with his work on Eagle Lake, Ontario, we had the opportunity to get the eggs from a taxidermist from a 57-inch, 55-pound Eagle Lake muskie caught the previous fall. These were the LARGEST, most beautiful muskie eggs I had ever seen (larger than OO buckshot). Obviously this "old girl" was still very productive and contributing greatly to the Eagle Lake gene pool!
Other giants, like Williamson's 61-4 from Georgian Bay in 2000 never spawned at all and put all of its energy toward growth...that fish (working from memory) was only about 18 years old!! |
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Location: St. Lawrence River | 25homes - 12/9/2016 9:42 AM
I honestly believe there is a giant like that right here in PA..I believe there are couple lakes that could hold one and I believe the alleghany has one that size hiding somewhere
That video on the site where black guy is being interviewed by the white guy in the tackle store..based of the pics that fish looks like it could be legit huge none the less
Lol... |
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| Lake X when I catch it......... |
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Location: St. Lawrence River | The next 60 will come from 40 acre shoal is my guess |
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| 25homes - 12/9/2016 8:42 AM
I honestly believe there is a giant like that right here in PA..I believe there are couple lakes that could hold one and I believe the alleghany has one that size hiding somewhere
That video on the site where black guy is being interviewed by the white guy in the tackle store..based of the pics that fish looks like it could be legit huge none the less
That vid is great, the comment section alone...
My take on it, that dude caught an awesome fish! If it wasn't 60", it was way closer than I've gotten to that mark 
We've been talking about the most likely places and while that is definitely where I would want to spend my time fishing for them, there's always that possibility that it's going to come from a super low density population. Where they have little to no competition for food. Could be somewhere like Lake Winnipeg where I've only heard of one documented fish (and it was BIG) or maybe some odd ball that gets an occasional fish enter the system during a high water event. Chances are these fish would get to one of these locations from some of the water we've been discussing. Either way, can't wait to see a pic of one over reaching the bump board. Epic! |
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| In about 13 years, it will be caught in Pokegama lake, near Grand Rapids, MN. Deep clear lake with all types of structure,tons of forage, and the smelt are coming back in numbers. Hopefully, I will catch it, still casting a pounder, even though I will be 70 then........... |
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| oly67 - 12/11/2016 3:11 PM
In about 13 years, it will be caught in Pokegama lake, near Grand Rapids, MN. Deep clear lake with all types of structure,tons of forage, and the smelt are coming back in numbers. Hopefully, I will catch it, still casting a pounder, even though I will be 70 then...........
Ironically it'll probably be caught by someone trolling a size 14 husky jerk in silver/black lol |
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| Love the lists and lists and more lists.... as for me and my world record quests, they will take me to some of these waters SOME DAY!!! I love Eagle Lake.... have seen 3 which I would venture to say were 60"ers.... have netted 5 over 54" and one 57", so I have somewhat of an educated guess, but you never really know the length of ,a fish that isn't on a bump-board!!
GO PACK GO!!!!!!! #RUNNINGTHETABLE!!!! |
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Location: Northwest Chicago Burbs | tolle141 - 12/11/2016 3:44 PM
oly67 - 12/11/2016 3:11 PM
In about 13 years, it will be caught in Pokegama lake, near Grand Rapids, MN. Deep clear lake with all types of structure,tons of forage, and the smelt are coming back in numbers. Hopefully, I will catch it, still casting a pounder, even though I will be 70 then...........
Ironically it'll probably be caught by someone trolling a size 14 husky jerk in silver/black lol
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Location: Hayward, Wisconsin | Slamr: You put a picture of a mid 50 inch fish in a 60" thread why? |
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Location: Northwest Chicago Burbs | Larry Ramsell - 12/13/2016 1:43 PM
Slamr: You put a picture of a mid 50 inch fish in a 60" thread why?
Oy, I was making a point about big fish and being caught by someone fishing a rapala.
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Location: 31 | Haha, not to split hairs but the O'Brien fish wasn't even a mid 50"... someday I'd like to have a fish named after me though
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| Jerry Newman - 12/13/2016 2:55 PM Haha, not to split hairs but the O'Brien fish wasn't even a mid 50"... someday I'd like to have a fish named after me though
I've heard of a fish called Wanda, but not Jerry. |
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Location: Waukee, IA | Jerry Newman - 12/13/2016 1:55 PM
Haha, not to split hairs but the O'Brien fish wasn't even a mid 50"... someday I'd like to have a fish named after me though
Not even mid 50's?! Is 58" not greater or equal to 55"? |
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Location: Northwest Chicago Burbs | Jerry Newman - 12/13/2016 1:55 PM
Haha, not to split hairs but the O'Brien fish wasn't even a mid 50"... someday I'd like to have a fish named after me though
Jerry Newman
04-04-2011, 09:35 PM
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE:
Contact: World Muskie Alliance
Contact Person: Jerry Newman
Company Name: World Muskie Alliance
Telephone Number: 847 494-0342
Email Address: [email protected]
Web site address: www.worldmuskiealliance.com
O'Brien Summary Report
*All Tackle Canadian Record Muskellunge / O.F.A.H. / Ontario Record Fish Registry
*Line class record / International Game Fish Association
*Power Trolling subdivision all-tackle record muskellunge / Freshwater Fishing Hall of Fame
Angler, Mr. Ken O'Brien
October 16, 1988
Length 58”, girth 30 ½”, weight 65lb. 0oz.
Georgian Bay, Ontario Canada
Woodstock, Illinois 4-3-2011 — Attached link ( http://worldmuskiealliance.com/WMA_OBrien_Summary_Report.pdf ) is the World Muskie Alliance (WMA) report on Mr. Ken O'Brien's Muskellunge Record as currently acknowledged at the Ontario Record Fish Registry / O.F.A.H. The International Game Fish Association / I.G.F.A. The Freshwater Fishing Hall of Fame / FWFHoF. The WMA O'Brien Summary Report questions the validity of Mr. O'Brien's Canadian Record with scientific and circumstantial evidence.
The WMA will allow a reasonable summarization and/or excerpts of the contents of this report. The entire report may not be reprinting without the expressed written permission of the WMA. This report is property of the World Muskie Alliance. |
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Location: Hayward, Wisconsin | Slamr: You neglected to mention that it was a tiny 4 1/8" long Rapala at that!!
Guess that fish didn't know it wasn't supposed to eat anything but BIG lures!!
As for the fish itself, it has been debated at great length on this great website. There are TWO molds of the fish that show it was 54-inches and that is exactly what I personally measured it at in 1988 in a frozen state. In addition, I weighed it at 56-pounds on two different scales, one of which was later certified correct.
As a side note, it is not reasonable to believe it lost 9 pounds in 8 days in the freezer. The current Modern Day World Record Muskellunge lost ZERO weight after 5 months in a freezer! Just sayin'. |
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Location: Waukee, IA | We'll in light of the new info on this fish all I can say is that it's weird for a fish to look so much bigger in a picture than it actually is. Kind of the opposite of the "mid 50's" fish that look like they're barely over 48. |
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| Endless search for 60"
Lake X!
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| In the record books at the Fresh Water Hall of Fame in Hayward, Wisconsin, Louis Spray is listed as the World Record Holder of the heaviest muskie ever caught. Spray is documented as catching a 69 pound 11 ounce muskie that was 63.5 inches long with a 31.25-inch girth. |
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