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| The hellraiser psycho path used this lip design long before the headlock.
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| my main point is focused on the person trying to sell, copy and distribute headlock or headlock "type" lips and profit off another persons hard work in which I do not personally think is right. I have a right to an opinion as do you.
The reality is that once Supernatural Big Baits put the Headlock out there for sale, and it was selling out at $80 a bait as fast as they could make them, the design was going to be copied and used by others. Both to make lures for personal use as well as to make knock-off lures for sale and profit.
Like it or dislike it, this is the reality.
Predictable, obvious, reality.
So, you can pee your opinion into the wind all you want about the way things "should" be, and it won't change the reality of things one bit. You just get wet. Once you accept reality is as it is, you are freed up to move on to doing something more effective.
Like for example, maybe Supernatural should just start selling the lips themselves. My bet is that most basement lure makers would happily buy it directly from them. They'd expand their revenue stream on a part of the bait that's less labor intensive and free up the emotional energy wasted on all the "lip copy" discussion.
Crazy, huh?
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| I would care if it was the lip only that made them so good. Same size Supernaturals on for 6 days, but the same one was the one getting bit by the big girls.
Muskymilleman, I guess you wouldn't want a homemade DC10? I hope you only get your photos developed on Kodak paper too. |
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| You can see this on Supernatural's own website: "Duff Thury is a trained custom furniture maker by trade...and a muskie fisherman. So it was just a matter of time before the two combined. He honed his craft by mimicking existing lures like Jakes and Rapalas but made them much bigger. " https://www.supernaturalbigbaits.com/pages/about-us |
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Location: oswego, il | Chemi - 12/16/2016 1:30 PM
You can see this on Supernatural's own website: "Duff Thury is a trained custom furniture maker by trade...and a muskie fisherman. So it was just a matter of time before the two combined. He honed his craft by mimicking existing lures like Jakes and Rapalas but made them much bigger. " https://www.supernaturalbigbaits.com/pages/about-us
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Chemi - 12/16/2016 1:30 PM You can see this on Supernatural's own website: "Duff Thury is a trained custom furniture maker by trade...and a muskie fisherman. So it was just a matter of time before the two combined. He honed his craft by mimicking existing lures like Jakes and Rapalas but made them much bigger. " https://www.supernaturalbigbaits.com/pages/about-us This will be my last post in this thread. The rest of the quote pulled off the website.
"Duff Thury is a trained custom furniture maker by trade...and a muskie fisherman. So it was just a matter of time before the two combined. He honed his craft by mimicking existing lures like Jakes and Rapalas but made them much bigger. He quickly realized that he wanted to create his own unique lures after mastering the techniques and understanding the design principles of existing muskie crankbaits. After 6 years of R & D the first HeadLock came to be and the action was nothing short of ‘supernatural’. A couple years after that an old friend (Kevin Dickinson) talked him into making one that would run at slower speeds. This was achieved by taking the 12“ HeadLock profile and making it wider with a bigger and rounder lip. Now he had a bait...with no name. He challenged a friend who was a local guide (Matt Seifert/Muskie Mercenary Guide Service) that if he could catch 2 muskies over 50“ on it within the month he would name it the MattLock. Matt caught 4 over 50“ in the first 9 days...so the name was a lock!"
Goodluck.
Edited by Muskymilleman 12/16/2016 5:40 PM
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Location: Ashland WI | Muskymilleman - 12/16/2016 5:22 PM
Chemi - 12/16/2016 1:30 PM You can see this on Supernatural's own website: "Duff Thury is a trained custom furniture maker by trade...and a muskie fisherman. So it was just a matter of time before the two combined. He honed his craft by mimicking existing lures like Jakes and Rapalas but made them much bigger. " https://www.supernaturalbigbaits.com/pages/about-us This will be my last post in this thread. The rest of quote pulled off the website.
"Duff Thury is a trained custom furniture maker by trade...and a muskie fisherman. So it was just a matter of time before the two combined. He honed his craft by mimicking existing lures like Jakes and Rapalas but made them much bigger. He quickly realized that he wanted to create his own unique lures after mastering the techniques and understanding the design principles of existing muskie crankbaits. After 6 years of R & D the first HeadLock came to be and the action was nothing short of ‘supernatural’. A couple years after that an old friend (Kevin Dickinson) talked him into making one that would run at slower speeds. This was achieved by taking the 12“ HeadLock profile and making it wider with a bigger and rounder lip. Now he had a bait...with no name. He challenged a friend who was a local guide (Matt Seifert/Muskie Mercenary Guide Service) that if he could catch 2 muskies over 50“ on it within the month he would name it the MattLock. Matt caught 4 over 50“ in the first 9 days...so the name was a lock!"
Goodluck.
Disclaimer:. The following response is satire and not to be taken seriously.
I will paraphrase (milleman style):
When Duff was first making lures he was a dishonourable copycat. After some time he saw the light and realized that what he had been doing was wrong. He then chose to make his own baits, hopefully not being swayed at all by his years of copying.
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| Now that it's been pointed out that the Headlock was not the first bait to use the lip design in question, it does make sense that Milleman would leave the discussion. Good luck! |
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| I don't see similarity between the hellraiser psycho lip and a headlock lip. What I'm I missing? |
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Location: oswego, il | Capt bigfish - 12/16/2016 6:32 PM
I don't see similarity between the hellraiser psycho lip and a headlock lip. What I'm I missing?
The warning at the end of a viagra commercial.
Edited by ToddM 12/17/2016 12:22 PM
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| See Duff, your baits have again started a fight! |
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Location: Waukee, IA | ToddM - 12/17/2016 12:16 PM
Capt bigfish - 12/16/2016 6:32 PM
I don't see similarity between the hellraiser psycho lip and a headlock lip. What I'm I missing?
The warning at the end of a viagra commercial.
If it lasts for more than 4 hours, call more ladies. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Muskymilleman - 12/14/2016 9:22 AM
Light bulb, wheel??? Oh boy....you nailed it!
One of the first founding major court cases in American history that led up to strict laws on patents and designs involved the lightbuld. As for the wheel...it would be similar to copying a specific tread pattern, which there are thousands of patents for different tread patterns and other design specifications.
There is a difference between lighting a room and copying the way you do it.
You couldn't have proven my point any better.
Goodluck.
Look up what the law protects on a fishing lure design.
It's not the lip or exact build that matters, it's the brand. Anyone making a fishing lure these days is 'copying' some other bait.
Most good businessmen know this, but a little advice to those who don't for a very smart man I work with who is a long distance runner:
'Don't waste time or energy worrying about who's behind you. Keep your focus forward, because if you take the time to turn around to see who's behind you, they may just pass you up.'
I designed a series of lures back in the 70's. The name was coined by a good friend of mine. Now it's a generic name used by dozens of bait builders and I'd wager not one of them ever has heard of me. Who cares? Not a single one has built one better than the original, and it's cool the name still is around 40 years later.
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| What's the name Steve? Now I'm curious.
Reaper? |
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| ARmuskyaddict - 12/18/2016 12:43 AM
See Duff, your baits have again started a fight!
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| tkuntz - 12/18/2016 9:05 AM
ToddM - 12/17/2016 12:16 PM
Capt bigfish - 12/16/2016 6:32 PM
I don't see similarity between the hellraiser psycho lip and a headlock lip. What I'm I missing?
The warning at the end of a viagra commercial.
If it lasts for more than 4 hours, call more ladies.
lol after all the absurdity that i just read at a trolling line subject that kind of reply make my day and help my pressure.give me your pp info |
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| Muskymilleman - 12/14/2016 11:01 AM
genesisperformance - 12/14/2016 10:25 AM
If someone is interested in getting their own lip designs laser cut i can help, but to copy someone elses lip design i will not help you out
^^^^^THIS^^^^^
Is what respect for another designer is.
Thank you Genesisperformance.
You get it!
+1 imho the rapala scaterap lip have a better design,i would buy any big cranks with the same lips because i don't think rapala would be hurt and anyway they don't care about musky. for the guys that are telling that is ok if they add just a 1/16 to the size i have some news for you some rules and law are stupid ,you don't have to justify yourself behind something stupid like this stupid laws. we all know the cost of a patent and what it worth.anyway if i change my mind about aluminium bill it will be a lures from duff for sure not a pelvic, pelagic any other copy
"Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery...." lol who was the first guy to tell a phrase like that?a Chinese i guess
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| wow ive been building for 4 decades. I just think I will head to the turtle races on st clair t-day.. turtles don't get upset. |
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Location: Ashland WI | supertrollr - 6/29/2017 5:23 AM
Muskymilleman - 12/14/2016 11:01 AM
genesisperformance - 12/14/2016 10:25 AM
If someone is interested in getting their own lip designs laser cut i can help, but to copy someone elses lip design i will not help you out
^^^^^THIS^^^^^
Is what respect for another designer is.
Thank you Genesisperformance.
You get it!
+1 imho the rapala scaterap lip have a better design,i would buy any big cranks with the same lips because i don't think rapala would be hurt and anyway they don't care about musky. for the guys that are telling that is ok if they add just a 1/16 to the size i have some news for you some rules and law are stupid ,you don't have to justify yourself behind something stupid like this stupid laws. we all know the cost of a patent and what it worth.anyway if i change my mind about aluminium bill it will be a lures from duff for sure not a pelvic, pelagic any other copy
"Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery...." lol who was the first guy to tell a phrase like that?a Chinese i guess
So its ok to "rip off" Rapala because they are a large company? |
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Location: Waukee, IA | What's going on guys? We beating this equine corpse again? |
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Location: Hayward, WI | So, uh.... is anybody selling the lips yet... |
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