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Location: Sawyer County, WI | I've got a few double 10s in "walleye" pattern and I don't care if you are a musky fisherman or a disgruntled walleye fisherman, if you think it looks like a walleye let alone anything found in a lake you've been foraging the wrong kind of mushrooms... |
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Location: Alex or Alek? | A lot of walleye guys use "perch", "brown trout" and "gold"(another name for walleye color) for trolling for eyes. And I am willing to bet that those are among the top among sales for Rapala. |
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Location: north central wisconsin | Do not ignore this opposition. It was a similar but much smaller group that helped spell the end of stocking as we knew it on Green Bay for the past decade. Several years ago the Long Lake association petitioned legislature and the DNR to cessate use of Long Lake near the Wild Rose hatchery, as a brood lake. Despite that this was a stocked Walleye lake, boosted even moreso during the brood years, the DNR eventually caved and removed the Muskies based on this opposition, along with the fact that eggs were now available in the Bay itself. Soon after, VHS was found, bay eggs were no longer able to be used, and the now tripled in size hatchery would be mothballed. Stocking went from a tens of thousands fish per year endeavor to none or a few hundred for several years. Luckily, the WIDNR with the help of the Michigan DNR and Musky Clubs Alliance of Wisconsin has been able to restore stocking to over 10,000 for the first time in over a decade. Had it not been for a tiny opposition group led by 2 or 3 individuals, the stocking on the bay for the past ten years would not have skipped a beat.
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Location: Forest Lake, Mn. | Face palm, head desk.
I've backed away a lot over the last few years from the muskie world due to personal issues that took more energy and strength than I had with nothing much left over for anything else. When I was last really active with Muskies Inc, and the muskie world 10/12 years ago, I remember reading and posting about this same subject, on this same message board, with the same area of the state complaining about muskies eating walleyes back then. In 10 years I see we've made no progress in dealing with this. The more things change the more they stay the same. What a shame.
It's long past time for a change about this but how we get there I don't have the answer
Not pointing a finger at anyone, or group, by saying that. Just making the observation.
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| Bottom line here:
MN Backtrollers will find anything to blame but themselves for decimating "!THEIR!" fish stocks. It's always been this way. It will always be this way. They truly are their own special breed. |
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Location: Hudson, WI | ToddM - 8/20/2015 8:46 PM
Just curious, do they have or these individuals have a facebook page? You could always friend them and post articles and videos that contradict their mission.
Or see if we can hack their Ashley Madison account. |
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Location: oswego, il | Moltisanti - 8/21/2015 10:13 AM
ToddM - 8/20/2015 8:46 PM
Just curious, do they have or these individuals have a facebook page? You could always friend them and post articles and videos that contradict their mission.
Or see if we can hack their Ashley Madison account.
Lol! Seriously kill them on their own social media pages, don't let them use it to their advantage. |
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Location: Maple Grove, MN | I think the "Walleye" labelled lures look much more like Brown Bullheads. Where available, Muskies do eat a lot bullheads including brown ones. Many of my most productive lures have been brown. To me, those lures look a lot more like bullheads than a walleye. When asked, I tell people that I am trying to imitate a bullhead because Muskies love them.
Maybe the Walleye color should be renamed to Brown Bullhead? |
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| We need to shift the focus to northern pike to take the heat off us,,,the DNR pretty much thinks that our lakes are so over run with 1-4lb pike that it's a waste to stock some areas with any species because your just feeding the pike. I know I'm going to be buying more pike color baits at the expo s. |
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Location: oswego, il | Yes the best strategy moving forward is to pay attention to what color lures you are throwing. |
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Location: Sawyer County, WI | Does anybody make a FIB pattern topwater ?
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| FIB pattern...
Mostly white with a red head and red fins. It's difficult to throw very far despite the fact that you want to throw it as far as you can. It works best in the slop. It's got a wide profile, and it makes a lot of noise. I believe muskies are just trying to kill it to shut it up. A lot of times they just chase it to make it go away, because while it has a high fat content, it really has no taste. In fact I believe it will actually make a Wisconsin or great lakes strain musky sick. Oh, and don't throw it after labor day. Even muskies know it shouldn't be there at that time of year. |
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Location: Sawyer County, WI | I need one soon as Labor Day is just around the corner ! |
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Location: varies | I thought they outlawed baits with a dozen trebles? |
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Location: oswego, il | Double post, since the thread has gone south, I went with #2.
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Location: oswego, il | It is a good trolling color pattern. It would also make a great color on the fat bastard. Was that bait named after a FIB? |
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| Bondy - 8/20/2015 12:19 PM
Around here they just club em'.
Or slit their gills....
I was on the Harsens Island Ferry yesterday and talked to the guy taking cash who complained about "nobody" is catching fish this year. "It's been a #*#*ty year for fishing"....according to him. He good guyed about the walleyes not biting and then when I kinda fibbed and said "I really want to catch Muskie out here". He began to tell me to not follow the DNR Regs of harvesting 1 per season over 42" and to keep every single one. I laughed assuming he was joking..he wasn't. He was dead serious. He went on to tell me the Muskie were affecting the walleye in LSC. Completely misinformed and sick.... |
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Location: Alexandria, MN | I fish both Muskies and Walleyes. The lake I am on was stocked with Muskies for the first time 4 years ago. All the walleye guys cried foul. I tried to explain to a few locals (to no avail) how the Muskies may actually HELP walleye fishing by eating other fish (such as the overabundance of 1 lb bass and small pike) that feast on walleye fry. This year, we are starting to see Muskies in the upper 30s to 40" class. Not coincidentally, I am having one of my best years of walleye fishing EVER on the same lake! P.S. - feel free to copy and paste this post to a walleye site !
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Location: oswego, il | This lure color thing, we may be onto something here. Should we just worry about the walleye color? There is perch, northern pike, bluegill, crappie, largemouth and smallmouth bass, even nine dollar bass has the word bass in it. Then I thought, #*#*! Loon! BABY LOON! Just how long do you think it will be untill bird lovers connect the dots? We will be battling them too!!!
What needs to happen is this. We need to stop making and using these color patterns. Shad, whitefish, Cisco and roughfish patterns are still ok. Maybe we need to add some color patterns to show that muskies are good for a fishery. How about adding a goby, rusty crayfish, zebra mussel and cormorant patterns. Not only do these color patterns need to be made, we as responsible musky fisherman need to buy and use them. Send a positive message!
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Location: The desert | ToddM - 8/22/2015 11:21 AM
This lure color thing, we may be onto something here. Should we just worry about the walleye color? There is perch, northern pike, bluegill, crappie, largemouth and smallmouth bass, even nine dollar bass has the word bass in it. Then I thought, #*#*! Loon! BABY LOON! Just how long do you think it will be untill bird lovers connect the dots? We will be battling them too!!!
What needs to happen is this. We need to stop making and using these color patterns. Shad, whitefish, Cisco and roughfish patterns are still ok. Maybe we need to add some color patterns to show that muskies are good for a fishery. How about adding a goby, rusty crayfish, zebra mussel and cormorant patterns. Not only do these color patterns need to be made, we as responsible musky fisherman need to buy and use them. Send a positive message!
What about all black baits? Do we need to worry about the black lives matter group protesting at accesses? They've already hit the mall of America! |
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Location: oswego, il | Holy Crap! Now I know why they call you Pointer! Do we need a nation after us? I am going to play it safe and paint my baits white, or grey. |
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Location: The desert | ToddM - 8/22/2015 12:14 PM
Holy Crap! Now I know why they call you Pointer! Do we need a nation after us? I am going to play it safe and paint my baits white, or grey.
All white? That's racist. |
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| It's save to use red now that the Soviet union has dissolved,, and China is one of our allies-they make about a third of the musky tackle..
FIB pattern???? The only FIB pattern I know that works is for small town chamber of comercess to print brochures stating that there's "trophy" potential in the area and then mail them off to all the Illinois sportsmans clubs.
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Location: oswego, il | Muskies only eat white people? I guess that is racist. Grey baits it is. Zombies don't care and zombie fans would think it cool. |
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Location: varies | Grey? its offends mice, squirrels, fox, and really old people who smoke.
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| Zombies are saltwater fisherman!!! I've guided a few on the DEAD sea. |
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| I think I better make up a few new baits soon just to make sure I have everything in the box to be sure no one is offended. As of now I think I'll do a rainbow topwater, a confederate flag crankbait, and of course a buck tail made out of a lion mane (liontail?) |
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Location: oswego, il | We are confusing things here folks. We have established that muskies eating certain colored baits is a bad thing. We have to come up with colors/patterns that will not be offensive to anyone. Was thinking orange with black dots but that is too close to someone with jaundice that has chicken pox. I am at a loss here, bare wood isn't an option, tree huggers..... |
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Location: varies | transparent? |
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| I thank musky fisherman will find it easier to have one of every color and material possible. That way everyone will be offended equally, which I turn should mean no one is offended. But you'll have to give each bait EXACTLY the same storage treatment and water time, of course! |
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