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Location: Minnesota: where it's tough to be a sportsfan! | Who is making a 21 foot or larger tiller rig with like a 250 HP or larger? Who's got the biggest one out there? |
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Location: Minnesota: where it's tough to be a sportsfan! | Glass Rig only, sorry |
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Location: Northern Illinois | I see that the lund 208 pro-v tiller fiberglass is 21' and can handle up to a 250. |
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| jakejusa - 6/24/2015 3:00 PM
Glass Rig only, sorry Kingfisher makes an aluminum welded hull in 20'1" rated for 225HP.
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Tuffy has a 21' Tiller (2100T Esox Deep V) rated for 250 HP.
Two models, one with rear storage tanks, one with a wide open cockpit in the Osprey model.
250 Mercury Pro XS XL rigged with hydraulic optioned Big Tiller.
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| That's a sweet rig Steve! |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | It's an impressive ride. That one belongs to Steve Herbeck. |
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| Good question, as I'll be buying a 20' glass tiller next year, but not with 250 or bigger. It will be a 2016 Yarcraft with a 200 verado. After all the research, I personally would do that or a warrior 2090. But I also walleye fish early so a 250 is just too big for trolling down. |
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Location: oswego, il | I seen steve's rig on the water this year. Very nice. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Tuffy Factory Team Mille Lax Guide Tim Ajax's 2100T picked up by his dad Terry today, will be rigging a Verado 175 tiller on her.
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Location: Hayward, WI | That Tuffy looks like one seriously cool, mean tiller rig. |
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| sworrall - 6/25/2015 10:38 AM
It's an impressive ride. That one belongs to Steve Herbeck.
did Danny get a tuffy too?
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Yes. |
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Location: Eagle Lake Vermilion Bay, Ontario | since my son and i have the first amount of real time in the proto tiller and not talking to many theory's i'll add what i've seen/experienced so far with the hull and regarding powering it.
***i have run big tillers since the mid 80's ( skeeter,ranger,lund) and this 21' osprey is the real deal. the boat control is like a dream after running tin for the past 8 yrs.,my chronic back problems from bouncing and banging are gone and i dont even have spring ride , i have TRIED to get wet and cant. it is without a doubt the dryest and most stable ride i have had in 28 yrs.,i feel like a kid in a candy store every time i leave the dock.
***as far as mtrs; 175-200 vs 250, verado/4 stroke vs opti
the 250 pro xs with big tiller has a rpm dial down feature to 700rpm's as does any tiller with big tiller steering option.
trolling walleyes or lakers depending upon how slow i use the 36v terrova for 1.2-2.5 or so,i can use the big mtr down to about 3.2 with the dial down feature and by simply putting the terrova in for a bit of drag down to 2.6-2.8.
for trolling muskies at 3.0-4.5 i trolled for 8 days straight 10 hrs per day on less than 3/4 tank.
the 175 or 200 verado will not troll down any slower. the 175's we ran on 20' lund pro guides for 4 yrs was about the same stats,maybe with a 400# more boat weight in the tuffy and no drag from rivets and seams you MIGHT see .1-.3 diff ,maybe.
the verado is a sweet mtr, if/when merc comes out with a 250 it will be an option i MIGHT consider. depends on its weight. the fuel savings in the 2 stroke is more than you'd think,i was really surprised.
i was also bit leery at first of the 250 but now after use i feel it is the best choice,by far.
REASONS.
the boat is 2000# before mtr/steering pump,and options ( i have a terrova,vantage,and talon) ,5 batts (3 for 36v,1 for starting/acc's,1 for steering pump,full tank and livewell ,and 2-4 fishermens you'r easy over 3500#,probably more.
the 250 pro xs is smaller and lighter at 505# max weight ( same as 200 and 225) than the verado 175-200 at 510 #lightest weight availalble. the 250 tiller if ?/when? available will be arund 650# plus pump.
i can run at 4000-4200 rpms at 42-44 mph and the mtr is cruising,just humming,hardley even working and achieving 12-13 GPH.
severaal tillers are going out powered like this so we'll see but i'd make an educated guess and say the 175-200 verado will have to be at full throttle to make 45-48 mph and consequently you'll see the mpg go way down. at 4000-4200 which is optimum cruise i cant see more than 35-38.
a 21' boat is designed for big water and i cant see traveling/cruising distances at less than 40 mph and at days end or impending storm its nice to know if you need it you got it to head for the barn.
THIS IS WHAT IS AMAZING AND PUTS INTO PERSPECTIVE. running this combo this rig is using about the same or slightly less gas running same distances on eagle as the pro staff 20' lund alaskens with yamaha 115's !!! and on avg 1/4 less gas day than the 20' pro v with a verado 175 .
when im running and gunning spots with an hr left in the evening or running from a storm and i need it i can get 52-53 mph (this is full tank and livewell and min. 3 big people) with a rev 4 blade 23 , im sure there's more there as we havent even played with diff. propping options (im not convinced this is the proper prop for this set up)and hole height yet.
if anyone wants to take a first hand peak,test ride (be glad to),and/or personal conversation give me a shout at [email protected]. stop on your way by or if you've booked a stay at AML, or upon my return at seasons end.
by the way this rig(s) are available for sale/delivery at seasons end nov 15 fully rigged and transferable warrentys including 5 yr merc., if interested or for discussion just e-mail me to arrange phone call timing . also steve worrall who has more experience than anyone alive with all tuffy hulls may be reached at [email protected].
steve herbeck
AML prop. emeritus
guest fishing instruction coordinator
master guide
U.S. marketing liason
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| How did Steve get Steve to go
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Location: Hayward, WI | Steve H, that is an impressive review. I never realized that those motors could get that kind of fuel mileage. I'll still probably never have a boat like that, but it makes it seem a little more real to think about someday, knowing they aren't guzzling fuel like I thought they would.
I'm sure everything about the boat is very impressive, but I'm almost most impressed by the fuel economy numbers you listed. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | KSauers - 6/30/2015 9:25 AM
How did Steve get Steve to go
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I didn't. |
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Location: Eagle Lake Vermilion Bay, Ontario | what i learned from those who know a heck of alot more than me is by maxing out or close and it doesnt matter if it is a 4 stroke or 2 stroke or what brand and you're not under powered and run it at an optimum cruising speed instead of having to be at full throttle to acheive a trim and decent speed is the key and an efficient glass hull with a pad adds alot to the formula.
not really much diff than pulling a boat with proper gearing and a big v8 vs a 6.
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