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Location: Canada | Yesterday on the water my jerkbait reel started acting up.
I would cast out my glider and on the first or second twitch it was like the thumbar was engaged? maybe even as if the reel started to turn, handle and all in reverse?
I am home with the reel off the rod and I can't seem to get the reel to do it again.
I have the schematics but as I've never had one of these apart before I don't want to take it any further apart than I need to. Also hoping that I just maybe need to clean the clutch arm assembly - which side of the reel do I take apart to do this? What does the clutch arm assembly look like?
Thanks in advance for any and all help.
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Location: S.W. WI | I had 4 different Abu's do the "reverse spin". 2 were brand new. C4,C3, C5 all did it. I moved on to better reels.
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Location: Latitude 41.3016 Longitude 88.6160 | You will have to replace the left side plate on your reel because that is were the anti-rev bearing is, Call ABU for a price, also ck ebay alot of ABU parts there to for cheaps. The anti rev bearing is also called the one way bearing, and never grease that bearing always use oil. The ABU reels are great reels but don't have a backup for that bearing so use your thumb on the spool when you rip or jerk baits.
Good luck on your reel repair. |
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Location: Canada | PIKEMASTER - 11/21/2010 8:33 PM
You will have to replace the left side plate on your reel because that is were the anti-rev bearing is, Call ABU for a price, also ck ebay alot of ABU parts there to for cheaps. The anti rev bearing is also called the one way bearing, and never grease that bearing always use oil. The ABU reels are great reels but don't have a backup for that bearing so use your thumb on the spool when you rip or jerk baits.
Good luck on your reel repair.
Thank You
This is a left handed reel so by left side do you mean the handle side or do you mean the right side which has the bare side plate?
Guess I gotta learn to thumb my spool, wish I would have known before this. Lesson learned.
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Location: Latitude 41.3016 Longitude 88.6160 | The handle side, has the bearing that is bad on your reel, you can call ABU or ebay has alot of side plates for cheaps. Glad I could help you out. Here is a pic of the bearing and side plate.
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Location: Norway | I assume the temps where cold? If the IAR has to much grease (they usually have that from the factory) the crappy grease stiffens up in cold wheater, making the IAR slip. I always take my reels apart when new and clean the IAR and lube it with my own mixture of grease and oil.
But as Pikemaster said, it could have been blown...
Ive only had one brand new reel slip like that, and it was the only reel I havent relubed the IAR.
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Location: Latitude 41.3016 Longitude 88.6160 | As U can see from the pic that the Anti-Rev bearing, the rollers are S.STEEL but the housing is plastic, so it don't take much to blow one out, alot of reels have a backup pawl for the Anti-Rev bearing, but the ABU 5000-6500 do not have the backup pawl. Also in the cold if you grease them the grease will make the bearing fail, until it warms up. I like to use Hot Sauce oil on the Anti-Rev bearing so that bearing will never fail in the cold weather. |
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Location: Canada | I haven't had a chance to take it apart yet. Pretty sure the anti rev bearing is blown out of it. It was cold that morning but not THAT cold. Guess I should get on the hunt for a new side plate.
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| Before you replace the A/R bearing, I'd try some reel magic to clean it out. I've had this problem on nearly all my reels at one time or another, and I've only had one bearing actually fail. The rest were just crudded up with grease and dirt. A good cleaning and a drop of reel oil has done the trick so far on my 6500 C4, C3, Record, Revo Toro, and my 7000. |
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Location: Canada | I finally got around to taking this apart. The anti reverse bearing didn't look blown so I cleaned it out and lubed it with some hot sauce. I put it all back together and wasn't convinced I put back together right so I took it back apart again. There's two silver washers that came back to back that I think go on under the drag star I am unsure of due to the poor assembly instructions provided and also not quite sure where this small brass washer appeared from as it fell off the paper towel after cleaning several parts. |
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Location: Yahara River Chain | I'm thinking the small brass washer goes on 1st on the shaft that the drag and gears are on. Often it comes up when you do tear down with the cranking gears. As for the other two bent washers they should be put in opposite each other under the star drag. They work against each other to create pressure against the drag washers. This is the reason you need to back off the drag every time is to keep these washers from flatting out and giving you a drag that won't tighten down.
1st pic - where the washer should be
2nd pic - screw driver pointing out the washer
3rd pic - washer off the shaft
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Location: Canada | muskie! nut - 11/23/2010 10:55 PM
I'm thinking the small brass washer goes on 1st on the shaft that the drag and gears are on. Often it comes up when you do tear down with the cranking gears. As for the other two bent washers they should be put in opposite each other under the star drag. They work against each other to create pressure against the drag washers. This is the reason you need to back off the drag every time is to keep these washers from flatting out and giving you a drag that won't tighten down.
Thanks!
I also had the sleeve that goes into the anti reverse bearing upside down at first and have corrected that.
Looks like I got the placements right. As for the 2 bent washers, which direction do they go exactly?
for example, like :
a. ()
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b. )(
I got some grease for the gears now and going to oil the necessary parts as well as disassemble the other side to clean and lube it up in the next couple of nights. |
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Location: Yahara River Chain | I don't think it really matters. But I do "b" |
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Location: Latitude 41.3016 Longitude 88.6160 | Here is 2 web sites that will help U clean and oil a ABU reel.
http://www.stripersonline.com/surftalk/showthread.php?t=655593&high...
http://www.stripersonline.com/surftalk/showthread.php?t=650893
Drag washers go like this ( ) on ALL reels
There is 2 brass washers on a ABU reel 1 under the handle gear drive shaft and 1 under the bearing under the spool brakes, it is rounded, and goes like this ) under the spool bearing.
Hope this helps
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| CU301DSV - 11/24/2010 4:45 PM
muskie! nut - 11/23/2010 10:55 PM
[...] I also had the sleeve that goes into the anti reverse bearing upside down at first and have corrected that.
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I've never been able to figure out which way that sleeve goes. I managed to drop mine the first time I took a reel apart. On the others? Well it was one way on one and the other way on the other, and neither of them had ever been apart before. I put the end with the square hole on the handle side. And Muskie Nut: I think you're got your drag washers backwards. |
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Location: Canada | Thank You! |
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Location: Yahara River Chain | I can't believe that it would matter which way the pressure washer go on () or )(. Can you explain to me why one way is better than the other? |
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| With the washers like this: () you've got the star drag adjustment on one side, and the sleeve that goes through the A/R bearing on the other. Pretend the sleeve is the equal sign, and the asterisk is the star drag adjustment... It looks like this: *()= As you tighten the star drag, it puts pressure on the sleeve, which seats against the inside washer, which in turn compresses the alternating fiber and metal washers that make your drag do what it's supposed to do. If you put them like this: )(= you're still compressing them together on the handle side when you tighten the drag adjustment, but the inside washer isn't seated properly against the sleeve. I've never tried installing them backwards, but my guess is that you'd have to crank the bejesus out of it to get the drag to work properly, if it would work properly at all. |
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Location: Latitude 41.3016 Longitude 88.6160 | muskie! nut - 11/24/2010 9:39 PM
I can't believe that it would matter which way the pressure washer go on () or )(. Can you explain to me why one way is better than the other?
I guess U will have to ask a Reel Mfg Engineer that ?? all I know is that all reels that I have worked on for the last 10 years have the washers in the reel like ( ) from the factory. I do know that when guys do it the wrong way like ) ( that they loose alot of drag presure on there reels. U can do WHATEVER U like it's your reels  |
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Location: Mt. Zion, IL | The reason for putting the drag slavers in () pattern has to do with the contact point of the center part of the IAR bearing. You don't contact it at the outermost edge on the bearing with them the other way. This also gives you more adjustment and drag force.
()m Vs. )(m see how the chamfered edge of the center part of the bearing would be slightly recessed into the spacers? This is the reason why. |
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Location: Mt. Zion, IL | The reason for putting the drag slavers in () pattern has to do with the contact point of the center part of the IAR bearing. You don't contact it at the outermost edge on the bearing with them the other way. This also gives you more adjustment and drag force.
()m Vs. )(m see how the chamfered edge of the center part of the bearing would be slightly recessed into the spacers? This is the reason why. |
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Location: Yahara River Chain | Thanks for the engineering lesson. |
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Location: Latitude 41.3016 Longitude 88.6160 | RyanJoz - 11/25/2010 10:15 AM
The reason for putting the drag slavers in () pattern has to do with the contact point of the center part of the IAR bearing. You don't contact it at the outermost edge on the bearing with them the other way. This also gives you more adjustment and drag force.
()m Vs. )(m see how the chamfered edge of the center part of the bearing would be slightly recessed into the spacers? This is the reason why.
THANKS I have been doing that for years, installing them the right way ( ) but I could not tell you why they went that way, Now I can sound like I know what I'm talking about !!! LOL  THANKS GOOD ANSWER |
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Location: Canada | I'd like to get this all back together again soon but before doing so I have another question. Do I lube the drag disc washers? With what?
Thanks for all the help!! |
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| NOOO! Standard drag washers should be clean and dry. |
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Location: Canada | esoxaddict - 11/26/2010 1:42 PM
NOOO! Standard drag washers should be clean and dry.
The rebuild of the Abu 6000 from the link to Striper's Online:
http://www.stripersonline.com/surftalk/showthread.php?t=655593&high...
Mentions using Shimano drag washer lube or white grease? The drag washers had some lube on them originally when I disassembled the reel I think, they are clean and dry now. |
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Location: Latitude 41.3016 Longitude 88.6160 | Carbontex Drag washers can be dry or greased, on musky reels most will run them dry, but if U fish in very cold weather like in the fall, I will put a very light coating of drag grease on my drag washers because it will make them waterproof and the washers will not freeze up. The only 2 drag grease that I know of is Cal's and Shimano drag grease, do not use std grease on drag wahers.
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| Any oil or grease that gets in the drag washers will cause the drag to slip. I know you can oil certain types of drag washers, like the carbonTex washers, but for the standard ABU washers, they should be clean and dry. You'll notice that some of the black fiber washers have some wear, or are slightly out of shape... I usually switch them around and/or flip them over when I clean my reels in the fall. I'm not sure it does anything, but I figure it can't hurt.
p.s. make sure the metal washer with the little tabs is aligned with the slots the tabs go into or you'll bend them when you tighten the drag down. Don't ask how I know that. |
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