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Location: Black Creek, WI | Back when Pounders first came out, I tossed a few into the lake via broken line during casting. I was using 80# braid. Switching to 100# Braid eliminated that problem. Fast forward a few years and I still haven't donated a Pounder to the musky gods from line failure. However, there are fewer options for 100# braid on the market. I'm curious with all the advancements in braid technology if 80# is now adequate for big rubber.... or is 80# still 80#? |
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| I say 80 is fine. I can cast a pounder all day on 20# and never have an issue. You skills have improved and you don't get backlashes anymore correct? No backlash = no "snaplash" maybe on a rod that a newbie will barrow 100 is still good idea |
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| More of a personal thing really
I do use 80lb on my pounder setup but refuse to go under 120 lb for my 2pounder setup |
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Location: SE, WI. | IMO! I think the improvements to line is tighter weaves and thinner diameters . therefore, for the presentations with the pounders, plastics, I'd go with the 100lb. Smaller diameters is not really what you want here! JD |
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| I watched a lure fly into the lake last weekend from an experienced guy. Wasn't even a pounder it was a big tube. Not sure of the weight but no where near a pound. |
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Location: Elk River, Minnesota | I think the 80 pound is 80 pound give or take a pound or 2. I have not thrown pounders but I do throw the magnums a lot... I have noticed with multiple brands (all 80 pound) that they fray with use of the bulldawgs. I have not had a break off with any of them within that time, throwing through the day. I retie a bit more often with them, though..
In my humble opinion, I have not found a line that doesn't fray after some use and being 80 pound, seems to be a non-issue at this point from my personal experience...
Brands I've personally tried: Suffix 832, TUF Line XP, Powerpro, Masterbraid.
Knowing your years of experience on the water, you are very familiar with the fact we all get to "check our line" with a professional overrun now and then...
Steve |
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| I'll throw pounders all fall with 80#. No problems ever. Yeah i snap 1 or 2 off in the past, but they where wild cast just f in around. Won't make that mistake again. Shouldn't need 100 unless your unsure of yourself. |
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Location: Land of the Musky | I went to 130# on everything. Not really about he extra # but its SO much easier to get a birds nest out  |
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| I think 100 is perfect. |
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| With 80# you bring in more line per crank. Doesn't matter in the fall, but in the spring, summer you will benefit from it. |
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Location: Land of the Musky | Musky Face - 12/3/2016 7:29 PM
With 80# you bring in more line per crank. Doesn't matter in the fall, but in the spring, summer you will benefit from it.
Technically no, it wont't. Example, larger diameter line (using 100# vs smaller dia 80# line) will increase your spool diameter faster and thus with every crank, your spool will bring in more line with larger dia line as the diameter of the "spool" with line will increase faster. The gears in the reel never change so that is the constant in the equation. Not about to post the equation. LOL that is a calculus differential equation and I swore that off 30 years ago yuck! |
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| Im with musky face, but imo it don't make enough of a difference in the real world use, for me to care much about it.
But the smaller line diameter have a higher average IPT then the think line.
Imagine if you have a line with a infinitely thin diameter you will have maximum IPT all the way in.
If your empty your spool 100% on a cast, and fill it up 100% during the retrieve, you will have a lower average then the previous example.
Btw i mainly use 100lb. |
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Location: Black Creek, WI | I've been using TUF XP 100#. Are there better options out there? |
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| Cortland Masterbraid 100# goes on my heavy rubber reels. |
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Location: Detroit River | Musky Face - 12/3/2016 8:29 PM With 80# you bring in more line per crank. Doesn't matter in the fall, but in the spring, summer you will benefit from it. Yep that is true. I have tested this with 80# & 100# PP on the same reel (Okuma Komodo) in my back yard. The difference is very small but there is a difference. I was originally testing the spec that the Komodo pulled in 31" per crank but with 100# test that wasn't the case. With exactly 100' of line out the difference between 80# & 100# was slightly more than 7 more cranks to pull in 100' of line. |
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| Hmm. Curious about a 200' cast per , I'm not sure how far I cast but I'm sure it's more than 100' on a 50 size nacl all the line comes off with 80# that really slows the speed down |
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| I still use 100# on my pounder rods and sucker rods.
Hi-seas Grandslam braid is the best that I have used.
Jeff Hanson
madisonmuskyguide.com |
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Location: Leech Lake, Walker MN | 100 suffix 832 ! It's not about losing a lure it's about leaving it in her face just sayin !! |
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Location: London, England | Tackle Industries - 12/4/2016 4:17 PM Musky Face - 12/3/2016 7:29 PM With 80# you bring in more line per crank. Doesn't matter in the fall, but in the spring, summer you will benefit from it. Technically no, it wont't. Example, larger diameter line (using 100# vs smaller dia 80# line ) will increase your spool diameter faster and thus with every crank, your spool will bring in more line with larger dia line as the diameter of the "spool" with line will increase faster. The gears in the reel never change so that is the constant in the equation. Not about to post the equation. that is a calculus differential equation and I swore that off 30 years ago yuck! LOL, there's some backwards logic. The diameter increases quicker because it has fallen further. The first cranks of the retrieve will retrieve less 100lb that they would 80lb as the spool is effectively smaller. The last few cranks of each would be similar as both spools will be full. The variance between the retrieve rate of the 100lb will be higher than the 80lb. |
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| Tim Kelly - 12/5/2016 1:04 PM
Tackle Industries - 12/4/2016 4:17 PM Musky Face - 12/3/2016 7:29 PM With 80# you bring in more line per crank. Doesn't matter in the fall, but in the spring, summer you will benefit from it. Technically no, it wont't. Example, larger diameter line (using 100# vs smaller dia 80# line ) will increase your spool diameter faster and thus with every crank, your spool will bring in more line with larger dia line as the diameter of the "spool" with line will increase faster. The gears in the reel never change so that is the constant in the equation. Not about to post the equation. that is a calculus differential equation and I swore that off 30 years ago yuck! LOL, there's some backwards logic. The diameter increases quicker because it has fallen further. The first cranks of the retrieve will retrieve less 100lb that they would 80lb as the spool is effectively smaller. The last few cranks of each would be similar as both spools will be full. The variance between the retrieve rate of the 100lb will be higher than the 80lb.
Exactly what I was thinking. |
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Location: Black Creek, WI | Don, where are you buying 100lb Suffix 832? I can only find 80# at my typical retailers and online shops. |
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Location: Black Creek, WI | Jeff, where are you buying 100# Hi Seas Grand Slam? I can only find 80#. My difficulty finding 100# options is what prompted this post. Thanks. |
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| Hi Jason,
http://www.stealthtackle.net/ carries it on his website
http://www.tackledirect.com/hi-seas-grand-slam-braid-300yds.html has it also.
http://www.afwhiseas.com/Grand-Slam-Braid-Green-300-Yard-Filler-Spo...
Are all places to get it. I usually pick up at shows from Stealth tackle
Jeff Hanson
madisonmuskyguide.com |
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| jlong - 12/5/2016 2:41 PM
Don, where are you buying 100lb Suffix 832? I can only find 80# at my typical retailers and online shops.
They make a 99lb its hard to find, but some shops are able to get i home if you ask them.
I'm from Europe so not sure what shops in the state might help. |
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Location: Black Creek, WI | Jeff, thanks for the links! |
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| Love the cortland master braid in 100 pound. I don't use anything less for rubber anymore. Super quiet but does puff up a bit on the spool late into the fall. Power pro definitely absorbs less water. |
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| I have had good luck with the hi seas grandslam 100# also I got it on all my reels exept my early spring stuff. Then I got 65# |
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| I don't know if this is coincidence or not but I have casted off my share of big fall baits,,but since using a florocarbon leader I have not lost any and I'm still using the same line and late fall rod that I used with wire leaders,,don't know if the floro gives more or just absorbs better because it's flexible on less then smooth casts,, and my baits have only gotten bigger. |
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Location: Grand Rapids, MI | With all the others, yes. Not any more for me though. Sunline FX2, you'll never go back. |
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