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Location: Hayward, Wisconsin | Check out my article:
http://muskie.outdoorsfirst.com/articles/05.11.2016/9875/Muskie.Wor... |
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| I recently read the MN DNR are going to recognize release state record catches as well. would these records cross over to other organizations record keeping if in the wr class of fish? Like you said. lots of crowns out there.
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Location: Elroy, Wisconsin | This is going ton turn out to be a dogs breakfast. Few people care.
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Maybe you don't care. That's fine, but have you thought this through? I think having the WR released division is a great idea, allowing folks to let a potential WR go and still get the fish into the books. It's going to be a substantial portion part of our history into the future, and sets the bar accurately as to how big Muskies really are capable of growing.
It's muskie fishing's past history that formed muskie angling into what it is today.
Have you looked at that thread? Nearly 50,000 views...it looks to me like lots of people care.
State record keeping needs an overhaul as well, it'd be great for MN to take the lead recognizing big muskies released in MN.
Some are quick to get on the high horse of education being so important an aspect of spreading the CPR culture, yet when an example of that actually happens, are just as fast to dismiss because it doesn't effect them immediately or personally.
Typical PR issue. |
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| I think it's a great idea.
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Location: On the water | I think having the WR released division is a great idea. The more stringent the rules,
the better. It gives everyone something honest to shoot for without killing the fish.
Good luck to all, Tom |
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Location: Mauston, Wisconsin | This is absolutely terrific news! Now, its easy with some stringent rules. No more he said they think, just qualify the fish to the rules! The MN DNR, can obviously do what they want, this sets the bar by which all future fish will be judged. Who's on first? I like it, Louie Spray is probably spinning in his grave!
Have fun!
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Location: Sawyer County, WI | ESOX Maniac - 5/16/2016 6:59 AM
I like it, Louie Spray is probably spinning in his grave!
Have fun!
Al
I doubt it. Louie wasn't much of a C&R guy. |
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Location: Mauston, Wisconsin | dfkiii - 5/16/2016 7:27 AM
ESOX Maniac - 5/16/2016 6:59 AM
I like it, Louie Spray is probably spinning in his grave!
Have fun!
Al
I doubt it. Louie wasn't much of a C&R guy.
That's it exactly!
Have fun! |
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Location: NE Wisconsin | Not an expert on all the kept catagories of kept divisions of Muskie World Records, but think there ones for, different popular line classes starting with #2 and going up to unlimited. Also, they have classes for cane poles, fly rods with different tippets, rod and reels, tip ups, ice rods, and maybe hand lines.
So far, only one release category.
I want claim the World Record Released Miskie, caught vertical jigging, on Oct 10th, in less then 8' of water, on a 8'3" rod, with an instant anti-reverse bait cast reel, 80# braided line, with 100# 16" Floro leader, from the back seat of the boat, while being seated. Witnessed and measured by a standing member of the Modern Day Muskellunge Record Keeping Program. The fish wash only 50.3", but match all those catagorie  |
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| Why not set established records for each subspecies/strain of musky? Start with new bars for all of the different strains, and go from there. Personally, I don't think comparing the WI strain fish with Great Lakes Spotted strain in a "record" capacity makes any sense whatsoever. |
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Location: oswego, il | Might be a bit difficult given all the strains to determine in a photo? There could be alot of shoepack records getting "broken" but I understand what you are getting at. |
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Location: Elk Grove Village, IL & Phillips, WI | What would you call the Illinois strain? Even the IL biologists can explain the mess of a mix they created. |
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Location: Sawyer County, WI | KenK - 5/17/2016 7:43 PM
What would you call the Illinois strain?
How about fibskie ? |
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| KenK - 5/17/2016 7:43 PM
What would you call the Illinois strain? Even the IL biologists can explain the mess of a mix they created.
Given what the IL DNR has done w/ musky stocking, it's hard to believe there's a biologist or scientist of any kind down there. Absolutely, 100%, complete scienceless musky management. But, it is working quite well for their waters, so tough to criticize. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Really...that's not what I have found in talking to the biologists down there over the years. Do you have a degree and working experience? Just curious as to the validity of the critical comment. |
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Location: Lake Country, Wisconsin | KenK - 5/17/2016 7:43 PM
What would you call the Illinois strain? Even the IL biologists can explain the mess of a mix they created.
we talking people or Muskies? |
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Location: oswego, il | The Illinois strain is a mutt. A mix of strains from every surrounding state and Ohio. For that matter Indiana and Iowa are mutt strains too. The Illinois DNR does a pretty good job especially with the resources they have. Just wondering if any of the naysayers have worked with, talked to the idnr, joined the IMA or been to a meeting when we meet with them.
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Location: Smith Creek | You can't expect a fish biologist to know as much as a muskie fisherman, Todd. |
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Location: oswego, il | Flambeauski - 5/18/2016 11:01 AM
You can't expect a fish biologist to know as much as a muskie fisherman, Todd.
I forgot, sorry. |
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Location: Elk Grove Village, IL & Phillips, WI | I spoke to some IL biologists at a few different sport shows and they told me exactly what Todd said, but it works! I was particularly asking about what strain was getting stocked into Busse Lake and they just laughed. Musky mutts for everyone! |
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| ToddM - 5/18/2016 10:17 AM
The Illinois strain is a mutt. A mix of strains from every surrounding state and Ohio. For that matter Indiana and Iowa are mutt strains too. The Illinois DNR does a pretty good job especially with the resources they have. Just wondering if any of the naysayers have worked with, talked to the idnr, joined the IMA or been to a meeting when we meet with them.
I have spoken with two of the biologists when I was curious about some of the fish that are stocked in WI that end up in IL, and just wondering if they stocked the same strain of fish in those waters as WI did. I was shocked when they couldn't tell me what strain is where, as they don't keep track of that. Just way different than how WI manages their stocking of different strains. I think the IL DNR has created some very neat fisheries, and I do think they are a success, just that the musky management, from an outsiders perspective at least, sounds more like throwing spaghetti at a wall and hoping it sticks than actually having science behind determining optimal strains for specific waters. Rant over. |
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Location: oswego, il | There was a study done in illinois called project green gene a little while back that studied fish strains. While not perfect it concluded the Illinois mutt was about the best for growth and longevity. It pretty much mirrored the Ohio strain. There were no leech lake fish recaptured past the age of two. The reason an I DNR biologist cannot tell you what strain is because they are a mix of Kentucky, Ohio, Pennsylvania, wisconsin, Indiana and Iowa fish. These fish were put into the brood lake and their strains crossed. The same has happened in indiana and Iowa as they have also received fish from other states. Back in the early days of Indiana I had caught several different more pure strains vastly different from one a other.
I will argue this. I don'the think the strain matters so much in the long run (provided that strain reaches a desirable size) than does the environment they brood in. I think the strain mixed or not adapts to the brood lake. Just my opinion, |
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Location: Waukee, IA | Muttskie |
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Location: Sawyer County, WI | "Muskie World Records...too many belts/crowns?"
I believe there are too many but good luck finding a "governing body" who is willing to remove their record in lieu of the others. |
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