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| Kirby Budrow - 5/15/2023 9:19 AM
UFFF!!! All these lists and graphs you guys are putting out are assuming the "scientists" know what they are doing. They don't. They're grad students, professors, interns collecting the data. I was one of them. The data is always manipulated to make it show what they want it to show and there are mistakes and intentional mistakes in collecting data. I know this from experience. All of it is BS. You read it in the news, or maybe even a real scientific journal and take it for fact but it is not. There is human error and assumptions that factor into. Some of is intentional, a lot of it is laziness of the intern collecting data., some of it is accidental. But it all skews the data.
Exactly right. Takes a lot of arrogance for somebody to think they have everything figured out because of "data" we have really only collected in the last 100 years. Probably not even that. |
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| Walleyejoe - Its a waste of time engaging with the extreme left. They don't believe anything unless its come from their extreme left echo chamber. The basement forum here is a prime example. |
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Location: Chisholm, MN | jvlast15 - 5/15/2023 9:29 AM
Kirby Budrow - 5/15/2023 9:19 AM
UFFF!!! All these lists and graphs you guys are putting out are assuming the "scientists" know what they are doing. They don't. They're grad students, professors, interns collecting the data. I was one of them. The data is always manipulated to make it show what they want it to show and there are mistakes and intentional mistakes in collecting data. I know this from experience. All of it is BS. You read it in the news, or maybe even a real scientific journal and take it for fact but it is not. There is human error and assumptions that factor into. Some of is intentional, a lot of it is laziness of the intern collecting data., some of it is accidental. But it all skews the data.
Exactly right. Takes a lot of arrogance for somebody to think they have everything figured out because of "data" we have really only collected in the last 100 years. Probably not even that.
Follow the money. These "scientists" will lose their jobs if they don't make up some crazy idea for a study. The hot topic is climate change. Tie any study to climate change and they have their money. Doesn't matter if it's legit or not.
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Location: oswego, il | wisskie - 5/15/2023 9:56 AM
Walleyejoe - Its a waste of time engaging with the extreme left. They don't believe anything unless its come from their extreme left echo chamber. The basement forum here is a prime example.
Or those extremists who only believe what they want from the extreme right echo chamber.
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Location: Chisholm, MN | ToddM - 5/17/2023 3:34 AM
wisskie - 5/15/2023 9:56 AM
Walleyejoe - Its a waste of time engaging with the extreme left. They don't believe anything unless its come from their extreme left echo chamber. The basement forum here is a prime example.
Or those extremists who only believe what they want from the extreme right echo chamber.
And then there's the smart ones who realize it's all BS |
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Location: oswego, il | Kirby Budrow - 5/17/2023 12:05 PM
ToddM - 5/17/2023 3:34 AM
wisskie - 5/15/2023 9:56 AM
Walleyejoe - Its a waste of time engaging with the extreme left. They don't believe anything unless its come from their extreme left echo chamber. The basement forum here is a prime example.
Or those extremists who only believe what they want from the extreme right echo chamber.
And then there's the smart ones who realize it's all BS
Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! |
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Kind of funny but, George Carlin died in 2008 before we had so much more compelling evidence about the effects of human activity. Also, Carlin gave up on humanity if you listen to interviews he gave. It's interesting that some people have resurrected these comedy bits to form a foundation for a line of thinking contrary to accepted modern scientific reasoning. |
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| He was right. The planet will be just fine. Everything we've polluted it with was here to begin with. What most of us are concerned with is damaging it to the point where it becomes difficult for us to survive on it. And while few will admit it, that includes not having to give up the lifestyle we enjoy. |
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I doubt you'd like to hear what he'd have to say now. Both sides wouldn't. |
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Location: new richmond, wi. & isle, mn | Au contraire Todd. I'd love to hear what he'd have to say. His stand up act could be a week long with all the material today's Snowflakes are generating. That's Snowflakes from both sides of the fence.
RIP George.
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| Why do you folks think people will still be here in 100 years? I am not confident of that. Putin, if things continue as they are could create nuclear winter as his final act. |
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| North of 8 - 5/18/2023 7:30 PM
Why do you folks think people will still be here in 100 years? I am not confident of that. Putin, if things continue as they are could create nuclear winter as his final act.
When a species overpopulates their environment, there is always a population crash. Several things can cause that crash. Famine, disease, drought, etc. With humans, you can throw in nuclear holocaust. We would probably adapt better to climate change, than many of the other possible outcomes. I think there's a pretty good chance something else gets us before climate change. |
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Location: oswego, il | North of 8 - 5/18/2023 7:30 PM
Why do you folks think people will still be here in 100 years? I am not confident of that. Putin, if things continue as they are could create nuclear winter as his final act.
He does have children so.maybe there is a limit to his power lust. |
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Location: oswego, il | jchiggins - 5/18/2023 6:51 PM
Au contraire Todd. I'd love to hear what he'd have to say. His stand up act could be a week long with all the material today's Snowflakes are generating. That's Snowflakes from both sides of the fence.
RIP George.
Exactly and I would want to hear it too. |
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| North of 8 - 5/18/2023 7:30 PM
Why do you folks think people will still be here in 100 years? I am not confident of that. Putin, if things continue as they are could create nuclear winter as his final act.
Pretty sure there will still be some. Probably not nearly as many as there are now. |
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| The famous blue skies of Colorado are filled with smoke from the fires burning in Canada and it's only May! Three summers in a row now! Two summers ago it was all summer long. Already a week of this crap. |
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Location: oswego, il | chuckski - 5/24/2023 10:01 AM
The famous blue skies of Colorado are filled with smoke from the fires burning in Canada and it's only May! Three summers in a row now! Two summers ago it was all summer long. Already a week of this crap.
I'll see if i.can find some pictures. Air quality from the front range east is a big issue with fire smoke and dirt in the air from wind and drought.
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| So, you guys in muskie clubs, do you discuss the fate of muskie fishing? Are long term prospects ever on the agenda? If not, why not?
Organized stakeholders have the loudest voice. Tho sometimes it's hard to be heard over the softer voices of profit takers. Those soft voices, the guys in the shadows who pay politicians to sacrifice environmental health and long-term community prosperity to protect revenue streams, they are very effective. |
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| In 100 years musky fishing will be non existent due to leaking retired solar panel chemical contamination into our local waterways along with massive heavy metal contamination from the so called green electric movement. Acid extraction of base materials to remove rare earth metals will be discharged into waterways at an agreed upon rate by the EPA and WHO along with whatever chemicals DuPont magically manuafacturers under the radar. Oh wait all this stuff is happening today…….. Massive governement expansion will eventually tax us to death in the name of conservation with the best case scenario of the chance to possibly draw a tag/permit for musky like trying to draw a goat tag 40 year wait times. Only the elite will have access and will be able to afford the red tape and fish the most exclusive locations that are still left viable. The future looks bleak fishing or any sort of fish consumption in the near future. Look up some of the DNR consumption recommendations 4 oz of fish 1 time a week. This is my prediction for 2084.
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| Hmm. Well, just read about a hundred million dollar yacht being built that will be powered by three hydrogen motors. Top speed of over 60mph. Horsepower numbers are incredible, but also speculative because the full scale motors have yet to be built. Have a friend who is a retired mechanical engineer and he thinks hydrogen is where we will be in about 10 years. |
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| Hmm. Well, just read about a hundred million dollar yacht being built that will be powered by three hydrogen motors. Top speed of over 60mph. Horsepower numbers are incredible, but also speculative because the full scale motors have yet to be built. Have a friend who is a retired mechanical engineer and he thinks hydrogen is where we will be in about 10 years. |
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| We hope for clean energy that does not hurt the wildlife, but the fact of the mater we run out of Dinosaurs a long time ago. The more the worlds population goes up so does oil use there will be a day when the tap runs dry. A generation ago no one was driving car in India and China. Do the math. |
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| Ranger I can assure you I know more about the current state of our electric grid than you. Talk about carbon reduction 400 acres of trees cleared to make a measly 40 megawatts running at 100% efficiency. Todays panels degrade every single day/year. In order to replace a single coal fired plant with 2 units “1200 megawatts if you know even what that means” it would take well over 12,000 acres of tree clearing to do that. Do you people even realize that’s freaking almost 19 square miles of #*^@ panels! How much carbon can 19 square miles of trees remove from the atmosphere I mean come on. I think the best grid is a diverse grid but you wackos are going to the extreme. Little know fact farmers around me are beginning to add sulphur to the fields due to reduced coal burning nationwide.
Go drink some more bud light buddy.
I honestly thought you would have caught that my comment was a joke thus the 1984/2084 comment lol
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| They put a solar "farm" on some very marginal grass land near my home, went operational about a year ago. It is producing 7.5 megawatts, total site area is 50 acres. No trees were cut, it was played out pasture land. Soil in area is all sand, not good for crops, except potatoes, which require a ton of irrigation and chemical fertilizer.
They actually have more trees on site than when they started, because they planted several hundred evergreens as screening around the edges.
The panels at the time they were installed were supposed to be out of the ordinary because they have a section near the bottom that is angled toward the ground. During the long northern winter, when days are short but there is snow on the ground, they hope to capture reflected sun with the lower panels.
I don't know if solar is the answer, but certainly not all of it or even most of it is replacing forest. In South West, lot of solar is in desert. The larger farms here in WI that I have seen are going in sand country. One in the county where I grew up in central WI did take down some trees, but they were low quality jack pine that had been planted with the idea they would be used for pulp, but the mills they were intended for have closed. Again, low quality soil, sand that has a hard time growing anything without irrigation. |
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| "Little know fact farmers around me are beginning to add sulphur to the fields due to reduced coal burning nationwide.
Go drink some more bud light buddy."
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Oh, well, we sure can't allow the subsidized farmers having to add sulfur. Who cares about asthma, lung cancer, emphysema, and COPD for EVERYONE when the subsidized farmers' profits are at risk. Go ahead and say that volcanoes throw out a lot of sulfur, it's natural, so why not coal plants? Go ahead.
I can only tolerate Bud Light in ice cold long neck bottles. My beer is ice cold Stella in bottles. I think both Bud Light and Stella are owned by the same global corporation, Inbev. If your investment portfolio is properly diversified you may own some of Inbev yourself, it's a great company, very profitable. And the whining, paranoid, undereducated, loud, far right culture war nice tryhole$ have had almost zero impact on the stock price. Or zero. |
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| Something else on the solar farms are killing trees story. About 7 miles east of my house is high voltage power transmission line. They cut a swath 100 yards or so wide through the forest and that line runs for well over a hundred miles through forest land before hitting farm land further south. And the utility regularly comes and chops down any trees that start to grow back. Rough calculation shows roughly 40 acres per mile of forest cut for the line, so every 10 miles of line equals the farm you reference. And this is just one of many transmission lines. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Ranger - 5/26/2023 4:22 PM
So, you guys in muskie clubs, do you discuss the fate of muskie fishing? Are long term prospects ever on the agenda? If not, why not?
Organized stakeholders have the loudest voice. Tho sometimes it's hard to be heard over the softer voices of profit takers. Those soft voices, the guys in the shadows who pay politicians to sacrifice environmental health and long-term community prosperity to protect revenue streams, they are very effective.
Muskies Inc does. Getting louder all the time. |
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