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Muskie Fishing -> Lures,Tackle, and Equipment -> Tail options on hard baits?
 
Tail options on hard baits?
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7.62xJay
Posted 2/23/2023 11:31 PM (#1018328)
Subject: Tail options on hard baits?





Posts: 478


Location: NW WI
Alot of manufacturers offer their cranks,jerks, and glide models in the options of 3rd hook or twister tail off the end. In some cases it appears to me like the rubber tail's drag can dampen the action. Yet some added vibration and a tantalizing fluttering rubber tail on the pause is a plus.
Where does everybody sit between the two?
danlaboucane
Posted 2/24/2023 5:53 AM (#1018330 - in reply to #1018328)
Subject: Re: Tail options on hard baits?





Posts: 482


I have added tails to a few baits w/good result for action and look when swimming , using a spring hook .
There is a fish tail version that looks great behind big baits and big twister tails all from Rollie's .
Pikebait
Posted 2/24/2023 7:24 AM (#1018331 - in reply to #1018328)
Subject: Re: Tail options on hard baits?




Posts: 105


Location: Alberta Canada
Ok so in my opinion if it’s a bait designed properly to be run with a tail it’s a good thing but if it’s a slapped on afterthought to market another option not so much.

I build my own lures so if a tail is added the lure is designed to run with the style of tail I put on it. I prefer to run long thin tails on jerk baits or glider’s because they have less drag causing minimal impact on the action. I do build lures with wider tails and even blades that create way more drag but the lure body is designed to compensate

It really comes down to was the lure designed to run properly with a tail or not. Sometimes adding a tail to deaden the action can be productive though. So there is exceptions too and some lures you can tweak even

As for 3 hooks I avoid this as I find 2 well placed hooks is often more than enough.
musky513
Posted 2/24/2023 9:15 AM (#1018335 - in reply to #1018328)
Subject: Re: Tail options on hard baits?




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A feathered treble is a good option as well in some cases.
Pikebait
Posted 2/24/2023 9:17 AM (#1018336 - in reply to #1018335)
Subject: Re: Tail options on hard baits?




Posts: 105


Location: Alberta Canada
musky513 - 2/24/2023 9:15 AM

A feathered treble is a good option as well in some cases.


A little flashabou can be another great option
Solitario Lupo
Posted 2/24/2023 11:01 AM (#1018342 - in reply to #1018328)
Subject: Re: Tail options on hard baits?





Location: PA Angler
My options usually go to the curly rubber tails. Feel they push a little bit more water a create a little bit of action at the end. Also you can stop and let the tail do it’s own thing drifting or sinking it. But I’ve been getting into just the plain looking tails. If the lure is designed right the tail can give it a lot of good kicks. Been having a lot of luck on lures like this just by winding them in.

As for paddle tails never had any luck with them.
chuckski
Posted 2/24/2023 12:16 PM (#1018346 - in reply to #1018328)
Subject: Re: Tail options on hard baits?




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Three hooks work great on long 10"-12" or even 14" lures, but for six to eight lures I like two Ernie, Dick Gries Phantom Ojibway two are fine or even better. I know of folks changing hooks on 9" Suick to a two hook set up. We all do this on our six inch twich baits.
Ogandrews
Posted 3/3/2023 1:25 AM (#1018558 - in reply to #1018328)
Subject: Re: Tail options on hard baits?




Posts: 202


Location: Minneapolis, Minnesota
If I’m twitching a crank bait it’s always 3 if there are 3 hook hangers. I’ve never been a fan of switching a smaller crank from 3 to 2 hooks because it usually hurts the action. All the gliders I throw have a tail on them. I’m sure straight gliders work but I have confidence in a soft tail so that’s what I throw. If I trolled I would definitely try some of those slammer fish tails or other trailers. Never tried a grub on a dive n rise but I have drilled a hole in a suicks tail and attached a swivel and a tiny Colorado blade to the back. Doesn’t effect the action much if it’s a small enough blade but definitely gives off a different look
Masqui-ninja
Posted 3/3/2023 2:31 AM (#1018559 - in reply to #1018328)
Subject: Re: Tail options on hard baits?





Posts: 1198


Location: Walker, MN
Either an 8Five Mattlock or the new casting version with a rubber curley tail is very productive. A Super Believer is another one that comes to mind...best when casted imho.
chuckski
Posted 3/3/2023 9:53 AM (#1018571 - in reply to #1018328)
Subject: Re: Tail options on hard baits?




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I have food scale that measures once's so when I change hooks from three to two (1/0 to 3/0 for example) not just putting on any larger hook you have to weight your lure because different hooks are thicker or thinner and maybe on some lures it doesn't work. If you get the weight right it works in most cases. And most my Bobbies I've added the small spinner on the back. I no longer buy lures with curly tails Squirly Burt, Phantom Softtail I just thread a Magombo on the back or better yet a old school Pork Rind.
chuckski
Posted 3/3/2023 9:56 AM (#1018572 - in reply to #1018328)
Subject: Re: Tail options on hard baits?




Posts: 1172


I have food scale that measures once's so when I change hooks from three to two (1/0 to 3/0 for example) not just putting on any larger hook you have to weight your lure because different hooks are thicker or thinner and maybe on some lures it doesn't work. If you get the weight right it works in most cases. And most my Bobbies I've added the small spinner on the back. I no longer buy lures with curly tails Squirly Burt, Phantom Softtail I just thread a Magombo on the back or better yet a old school Pork Rind.
Ogandrews
Posted 3/4/2023 7:34 AM (#1018599 - in reply to #1018559)
Subject: Re: Tail options on hard baits?




Posts: 202


Location: Minneapolis, Minnesota
Masqui-ninja - 3/3/2023 2:31 AM

Either an 8Five Mattlock or the new casting version with a rubber curley tail is very productive. A Super Believer is another one that comes to mind...best when casted imho.

I heard about that casting virus but have not seen it anywhere, do you know where they’ll be available?
Ogandrews
Posted 3/4/2023 7:37 AM (#1018600 - in reply to #1018559)
Subject: Re: Tail options on hard baits?




Posts: 202


Location: Minneapolis, Minnesota
Masqui-ninja - 3/3/2023 2:31 AM

Either an 8Five Mattlock or the new casting version with a rubber curley tail is very productive. A Super Believer is another one that comes to mind...best when casted imho.

I heard about that casting virus but have not seen it anywhere, do you know where they’ll be available?
Masqui-ninja
Posted 3/4/2023 10:39 AM (#1018612 - in reply to #1018328)
Subject: Re: Tail options on hard baits?





Posts: 1198


Location: Walker, MN
Ogandrews, I'm guessing/hoping he'll have some at the MN Expo, I believe he has some at the Muskie Max PA show this weekend.
chuckski
Posted 3/5/2023 9:30 AM (#1018634 - in reply to #1018328)
Subject: Re: Tail options on hard baits?




Posts: 1172


You can cast a headlock or Mattlock but there are lures that don't cost 85 bucks.
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