|
|
Posts: 13
| Hello there,i m coming off a bass tracker 165 with 40 hp merc.. i ve fished that boat since new in 2003 i was 18 when i bought it... it works for me..but as i ve grown i d lkke a wider more stabile rig... the bass tracker does nt like the ruff water...and a pain to troll with...i m lookkn at pro guides and competitors.complete vynil floor and decks."easy to clean and no wet carpett smell in my shop"" lookin at them in 165 range to keep the motor at a size it will troll down to 1 mph..for steel line lake trout fishing.... anyone have these boats... and love them??? Are they good and stabile when casting off the decks with troll motor... do u get wet in these boats" can t be nearly as bad as my bass tracker with nooo sides lol"... easy to steer...or is ur arm sore after a day of runnin it... thanks guys ...i m kinda worryed..cause i have to order boat... 38 k... with out getting to really get the feel of it... here in canada...these pro guides are hard to find... thxs lads |
|
| |
|
Posts: 386
| I'll answer your questions as best I can but I'd like to give you some advice. I've never been in a 1675 PG but I've been in a 1775, 1875, 1825, 2010 and 2075 along with 165, 185 and 205 Competitors; my dad runs a 165 Competitor with an F70. First off, I would avoid all vinyl floors for 2 reasons: it is extremely slippery when wet, unless it's got texture to it and it's very hot in the summer. Secondly, neither of those rigs are going to troll down to 1.0 forward without some serious help from drift bags. You're going to be looking at 2.0-2.2 flat calm. They are both very nice platforms but it's going to come down to layout. You're going to get wet in any rig in the right weather but they both have good hulls for 16.5 ft boats. Feel free to PM me. |
|
| |
|
Posts: 859
Location: MN | I’ll chip in here I have a Alumacraft Classic with a 60 and I cannot get down to 1mph more like 2mph maybe 1.8 mph at best. |
|
| |
|
Location: Vilas | The classic Ford vs Chevy debate.......I have the Lund Pro Guide and love it. Handles the rough water well, stable and I like the vinly floors....My buddy has the AlumaCraft and he is very happy as well. Both boats will work just fine, and if Pro Guides are hard to get in your area.... get the AlumaCraft and go catch fish! |
|
| |
|
Posts: 13
| How do u like the classic... is it pretty stable ? |
|
| |
|
Posts: 858
Location: NE Ohio | i have a 1875 lund with total factory vinyl front deck and floor covering. its textured and i love it. not too hot and not slippery when wet with shoes or sandals on.
Edited by pklingen 3/15/2019 6:56 PM
|
|
| |
|
Posts: 120
| I also have a Alumacraft 165 Classic. Mine has a 50 tiller and I cant troll much below 2 either. Stability is good for a boat of its size and fairly dry but that can change quick of course. I make 20 mile runs on LOTW with it and yes my shoulder will get sore. If it is rough out it doesn't take too long to get a sore shoulder. I love the boat overall. It is so easy to launch and load by myself and a fishing machine but I do wish I had another bigger boat for bigger water. |
|
| |
|
Posts: 859
Location: MN | I’m of the opinion that the Classic is very stable. That being said when it gets real rough 4-5ft plus waves you can’t drive with reckless abandon you need to be mindful of how you are hitting the waves. It’s really pretty dry iv seen guys comeback soaked in other bigger boats and were pretty much dry. But driving has a good deal to do with that at times. Not sure what the top end is with a 50 tiller but a 60 it’s about 32-33 with two guys and gear. If that helps and honestly I think that boats a dream to run at 27-28 mph and normally don’t see a reason to go above that.
Edited by NathanH 3/16/2019 9:06 AM
|
|
| |
|
Posts: 120
| With the 50 tiller I get 28 mph with two guys and loaded up and maybe 30 by myself. I can touch 31 once in a while. Going into or with a big wind will give or take 1 or so. To stay as dry as possible I'm going wide open until it is just too rough. Running wide open is easiest on your shoulder. Its when you need to run half throttle or so to ride bigger waves that you will get a sore shoulder quick. |
|
| |
|
Posts: 32784
Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | I run a Lund 1625 Fury XL loaded up with about every option I can fit on her. New generation Mega Imaging Birds, Minn Kota Terrova i-Pilot, Aqua-Vu HD7i, Smooth Moves Seats, Power Pole Shallow Water Anchor, Cannon Rod Holders in the Sport track, rear deck flip over module, butt seats, interior lighting, stereo, extra battery, and more. I bought this ride with the money from my oldX170 Tuffy sale, looking for a boat I can get in to the small landings I like to search out and yet fish Pelican and other larger waters with no issues. Plus, I had a limited budget and wanted the toys on board I like.
I was pleasantly surprised with the performance with a 60 Merc at 32 loaded up with a full livewell, and very impressed with the IPS hull's lift and overall ride. Keith ran a 1750 Rebel (sold it, is buying a new Lund next week), and I used that quite a bit when I was running an X170. Thought I'd need it when heading to Vermilion, etc. and it turns out I didn't at all. If I was looking at a tiller, I'd go to the Pro Guide you mentioned. |
|
| |
|
![](<a href="http://flmnetwork.com/content/generators/skinny-sig-generator/">")
Posts: 485
Location: On my favorite lake! | I have a 165 Dominator which is very close to what you are looking at and have also been in the boat that you have. The 165 competitor in better laid out and more stable than what you are in. I have been in up to 4 ft waves with mine. It handled them just fine. As for as getting wet when casting. I have only got wet one time and I was fishing in some bad stuff where I was just cranking because you couldn't work a lure. A 21 ft boat I would have been doing the same. The alumacrafts are very wide. I have a 90HP on mine. I would recommend going as big as you can with the motor. Mine goes about 42-43 mph |
|
| |
|
Posts: 13
| Thanks for all the good info lads apprecaite it. Dealer is trying to sell me on a 1650 rebel xl tiller 60hp ct fourstroke .. 33k can out the door...i also found a pro guide 1775 with a 90 merc tiller for 46 k out the door... ?????????? dunno what to do..go cheap and load er right away...or go big and pay pay pay..work the o.t out the ying yang lol ...biggist lake i fish is bay of quinte here in ontario |
|
| |
|
Posts: 13
| Anyone run the pro guide 1775 with the merc 90hp ... whats it troll down to qith the rpm control... i d put a troll plate and prob use a sock as well...dont troll a hole lot mabey steel line for lakers a dozen times a year.. comes with a kicker fuel pick up alresdy on it to... so... could install a 6 hp down the road?
|
|
| |
|
Posts: 386
| If you only troll that slow a handful of times per year why not just use the bowmount? I use my main engine for 1.5mph and above but use my bow mount if I need to go slower than that, obviously wind and trolling direction dependant. Another thing that works well is dropping the Vantage and turning it on a slow speed, 1 to 5, to get you to slow down. There are many tricks to slow the boat down but getting close to 1.0mph using the main motor is not likely in most situations. |
|
| |
|
Posts: 1179
| I have the 1875 Pro Guide, with a 90. Love the boat. Can fish almost anything anywhere. Between the bow-mount, the vantage, and the big motor with the RPM button, and drift socks and back-trolling, I can hit whatever speed I need. I have the carpet, but take out the piece that snaps out of the main floor. It has a pebbled surface and isn't too slippery, but I do like the carpet on the deck. Has the sport track for putting rod holders wherever you want them. Can also attache a down-rigger on it if you want. |
|
| |
|
Posts: 13
| Ok lads. Im down to 2 boats... both very good deals... #1 2019 pro guide 1775 90hp merc. Big tiller handle rpm adjust... kicker fuel line installed.. and radio..and air ride pedastals..all black boat with vinyl.no fish finder no troll motor no butt seat...gorgeous boat tho...its 7 hrs each way to go get it.....46 600.00 can out the door..... now #2...alumacraft competitor bkack and white..all vinyl..nice nmboat aswell and comes much more175 90hp yammy ..tiller arm ..95 inch beam instead of 93 like pro guide."no big deal"... 55 lb min kota troll motor " to small but i ll sell after a mont or so and switch up to a 80lb" helix 5 fish finder.. 3 chairs and 1 butt seat travel cover...better eagal bunk trailer not the shorelander..all rops and dock buyos..and number installed..44 600 out the door .4 hr drive each way ..not 7hrs... im now in brain f@$ked mode over all this and ..thinkin now i should go for the alumacraft save 2 gs for new finders etc and a much sorter drive...???????????????????????????????????????? |
|
| |
|
Posts: 13
| Also trying to find out how mucj diffrence there is in steering between the 90hp merc with hydro assit..and the yamaha 90hp with no assist... i d rather do the 175 alumacraft with the yammy motor i think...thxs lads |
|
| |
|
Posts: 386
| Bot - 3/19/2019 10:14 AM
Also trying to find out how mucj diffrence there is in steering between the 90hp merc with hydro assit..and the yamaha 90hp with no assist... i d rather do the 175 alumacraft with the yammy motor i think...thxs lads
Uflex came out with a hydraulic steering system for Yamaha. I just had one installed about a month ago. |
|
| |
|
Posts: 90
| I have the 1875 pro guide with a 90 Mercury as well. I have hydraulic steering and love how easy it is to steer. Rented a 17’ boat a few years back that had a 70 or 75 Yamaha and it wore my arm out on long rides or rough water. Night and day difference for me. I can now steer with little to no effort. Not sure where you are located Bot but Hennepin Marine in Illinois had a 2018 1875 pro guide that was very well equipped for low to mid thirties. I seen it in person when I was there last and it looked like new with very low hours. Could be sold now. Can check their website out if interested. |
|
| |
|
Posts: 13
| I m in ottawa ontario canada.. |
|
| |
|
Posts: 13
| Did u find the steering hard before u installed the uflex pat?? Or wS it managable? |
|
| |
|
Posts: 1179
| I've had two Pro V tillers and now a Pro Guide tiller, and never felt like any of them were that hard to steer. Now I've never had a 20 footer with a 200 hp on the back either. |
|
| |
|
Posts: 386
| It was definitely manageable but hydraulic steering really helps at low speeds and rough water when you don't want to trim up to the sweet spot. I mainly got it for convenience, jigging/Lindy rigging for walleyes, trolling, etc. Its extremely nice to be able to take your hand off the tiller handle and not have it flop everywhere. I've had power steering in the past and have run boats with hydraulic steering but this will be the first time it's on a boat I own. |
|
| |
|
Posts: 3469
Location: Elk River, Minnesota | Hiya,
I honestly think you couldn't go wrong with either boat, but saving a couple of grand that you can put toward some nice electronics/bowmount is a nice little chunk of money to have...
The Yamaha should be able to troll down really well given if my memory serves me correctly, to just over 600 rpms. With the boat being close to 1200 pounds, and once full of gear, fuel, etc closer to 1800 pounds, I bet you will get close to 2mph trolling forward..if into the wind...there is a good possibility you could be below 2mph...
When idling in gear, slip can be fairly high...so I think you will get close to your desired trolling speed with the big motor....
I am also one who always looks at safety as well, so if it is in your budget, getting an 8hp kicker would be a nice addition to the rig. This would definitely give you the ability to get down to under 1mph trolling. But in my humble opinion...it is a great thing to have if for any reason the big motor goes down and you are out in the middle of the lake... The little motor will get you off the water safely.... or...if you are fishing in an area that has shipping channels...out of the way of being clobbered by a freighter.
I've seen it many many times on canadian trips where someone tags a rock and takes out their big motor...some 20 - 30 miles from where they put in. Long drive back to the trailer, but at least you get there...
Steve |
|
| |
|
Posts: 1023
| I would go alumacraft. Close and cheaper for same boat plus extras.
The only advantage the Lund has is that I think it has nonwood in transom - which I think is a great thing. But maybe the alumacraft is the same? |
|
| |
|
Posts: 13
| Ok so the alumacraft lad has nt got back to me in 4 days after me callin 3 times... so there out... i put 500 down on the lund 6hrs away.. told hold it at its sale price which ends MARCH 31ST .. then today finally had a dealer 15 mi away buckel... and he said he d get me the same lund pro guide 1775 black out edition..loaded with same stuff... but has to have a etec 90hp and he can do it for same price as the guy 6hrs away... anyone no much about the regular etec 90hp 3 cylinder?? 10 year warrenty...and lighter forsure...i dunno i ve always had mercs..and i only got 2 days to fig it out???? |
|
| |
|
Posts: 102
| Bot - 3/28/2019 5:30 PM
anyone no much about the regular etec 90hp 3 cylinder??
No, I don't know much about them. The Merc guys will say go with a Merc, the Yamaha guys will say go with a Yamaha, etc.
But it sure is hard to beat a 10 year warranty. In addition there is no break in period for the Etec. Just take it home and use it. Also, no service of any kind required for three years.
And wait until you winterize it.....the last time you use it for the season prior to loading it onto the trailer, you go through a sequence of turning the key on and off and pushing the throttle between forward and neutral. The process literally takes less than two minutes. All done, nothing else to do!
And these aren't like the two strokes of old. They are extremely clean and quiet. And you don't have to mix oil and gas like the old ones. You will have an external oil tank.
I don't think you can go wrong with the Etec. This is my opinion. The next guy will say that I am off my rocker and crazy. Buy it, enjoy it and don't have any regrets. And now you have a dealer a few minutes away rather than having to drive six hours each way.
I wasn't an Evinrude guy either and was pretty set on a Merc, Yamaha or Suzuki, depending upon the dealer that I decided on. But a new Ranger with an Etec on the back happened to follow me home in November. I can't wait to get it out for the first time. In all honesty, I am as excited about that motor as I am the boat.
In reality you really can't go wrong with any of them, Merc, Yamaha, Suzuki, Evinrude or Honda. There are plenty of good and bad stories of each. Go out and fish and enjoy your new rig.
Edited by madmurph 3/30/2019 7:37 AM
|
|
| |
|
Posts: 3469
Location: Elk River, Minnesota | Hiya,
I ran an Etec150 last year for the first time... I could not be happier with it!! Instant start up, even in the coldest conditions, smooth and quiet at idle, and lots of pep in the lower RPM range. That is the benefit of the 2 stroke technology...There is more low end torque in the engine to get you up and going as compared to a similar 4 stroke engine... 4 strokes are good, don't get me wrong there...they just cannot build the same power at the bottom as the 2 stroke DFI engines....they have a fairly flat power curve overall.
I think you will love the Etec!! It is less maintenance than a 4 stroke and although you will feel like you are paying more in oil when you fill it, you'll most likely fill the oil reservoir 1 time and be good for a season unless you are out daily and running around a lot with the big motor. XD100 oil is not cheap, but you won't use much of it.
And....if you search a bit, you can find it here and there for about 35 a gallon for a 3 gallon case. I was successful with that last year through jet.com.... have not seen it since, though..
Steve |
|
| |
|
Posts: 13
| Whats everyones thoughts on a 75 etec on a 1775 pro guide?? Or do i bite the bullete and just go with a 90 etc.. gotta let my dealer no today..lol he s givin me some le way ..as i ll i have to shop and look at..is books or the internet...cause no one has these boats...he has to order it for me..thxs a millon guys!! |
|
| |
|
Posts: 102
| I guess the question is more about that particular boat with a 75 hp motor vs a 75 Etec specifically? It's only rated for a 90, but it is a fairly good sized boat at almost 18' long and a 93" beam. Remember, the hp rating on a tiller is a bit less than the same boat in a console version. If this were available in a console, it would probably be rated for a 115. Obviously a 90 would give you a couple more mph and it would also make it easier to get up on plane.
How long will you be keeping the boat? It is often easier to sell a boat that is maxed out in hp. Having said that, my last two were not maxed out and it was not an issue during resale.
If cost is a non-issue it is a no brainer to go with the 90 in my opinion. If cost is a big factor, you would have to weigh out the cost savings vs. the bonuses of the little bit of added hp. And FWIW, they both weigh the same at 320 lb. From what it looks to me, the cost difference would only be in the $500 range or even less; not much when you are considering an overall cost of approximately $30,000. The larger price jump would be going from a 90 to a 115 because it is a physically larger motor and a jump from 3 to 4 cylinders.
Edited by madmurph 3/31/2019 12:39 PM
|
|
| |
