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Message Subject: Mortality Question/Happening
grind4slime
Posted 6/29/2018 1:52 PM (#911150)
Subject: Mortality Question/Happening




Posts: 35


Water Temp- 77 Degrees
Stocked Inland Lake 200 acres
3am Full moon
32"
I was on the night bite last night tossing rubber. Had a fish hit the bait, miss and then eat it again pretty hard, went for a hook set with no fish on (May have ripped it from his mouth/teeth). Just a second after going for the hookset/missing it the fish jumped completely out of the water and thrashed on the surface belly up, seizing its head almost like it was shivering, we put the fish in the net and observed it had a gill not attached but it was an older tear that had 0 blood coming from it. Tried to spend 15 minutes with the fish and it never tried to swim off. Never having this fish hooked, Im thinking that I may have been out with the temps being too warm and this particular fish used up a lot of energy trying to eat the bait presented. It was a near instant death with the seizing after the jump and a very healthy fish besides the disconnected gill. Just interested to see or hear of anyone else that may have had anything else strange like this happen or other thoughts in general. Just kind of upset seeing the progress of that animal just come to a halt.
Thanks in advanced.

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Smell_Esox
Posted 6/29/2018 2:06 PM (#911153 - in reply to #911150)
Subject: Re: Mortality Question/Happening




Posts: 148


I highly doubt that just chasing the bait around would kill the fish. I would almost bet that one of your hooks penetrated the body just below the gills on the underside of the fish where the heart is.
grind4slime
Posted 6/29/2018 2:13 PM (#911155 - in reply to #911153)
Subject: Re: Mortality Question/Happening




Posts: 35


I examined the gills very closely and on the underside of the gills/belly with no punctures visible and not a drop of blood came out of the fish either. It may have hit a sweet spot though that I didnt see and it must have been a spot where nearly no blood is released.

Edited by grind4slime 6/29/2018 2:14 PM
Musky_Mo16
Posted 6/29/2018 2:46 PM (#911157 - in reply to #911155)
Subject: Re: Mortality Question/Happening




Posts: 735


Location: Apparently where the Muskie aren't
Maybe you got a hook in his spine???? I really don't know but I've snagged fish before on accident and they had a hook pretty deep in there side and I removed it and had no blood and it almost didn't even look like there was a hole there. I've never had this happen to a Muskie though. I've also got bass in the gills before and within seconds the bleeding would be over. So it may have bled but it stopped before you got there???.

Or maybe it wasn't you at all and the fish had a previous injury. Ik you said he looked good but if someone caught him and dropped him in the boat a few times he could be a little messed up and your bait just happened to run into him causing him to freak out???

Edited by Musky_Mo16 6/29/2018 2:49 PM
sworrall
Posted 6/29/2018 2:55 PM (#911158 - in reply to #911150)
Subject: Re: Mortality Question/Happening





Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin
Fish die for a large variety of reasons. Expending that small amount of energy in 78* water should not be one of them.
Sudszee
Posted 6/29/2018 3:03 PM (#911159 - in reply to #911158)
Subject: Re: Mortality Question/Happening




Posts: 72


Did your rubber bait have a stinger hook on the top of it?
grind4slime
Posted 6/29/2018 3:10 PM (#911160 - in reply to #911150)
Subject: Re: Mortality Question/Happening




Posts: 35


No stinger, posseidon.
tyler k
Posted 6/29/2018 3:43 PM (#911166 - in reply to #911150)
Subject: Re: Mortality Question/Happening




Posts: 366


Location: Almond, WI
I think it's coincidence.
There's not even any evidence in your story that this is the same fish that hit your bait other than the timing--you indicate no blood and no hook marks...more than one fish can be on the same spot. Probably a previous injury and you just happened to be there when it went belly up.
grind4slime
Posted 6/29/2018 4:01 PM (#911167 - in reply to #911150)
Subject: Re: Mortality Question/Happening




Posts: 35


Aware of multiple fish being in the same spot. There was a couple hook pokes in the skin around the mouth but nothing buried. The fish immediately jumped out of the water after I went for a hookset, 20 yards next to the boat, could see the fish jump and then thrash to a dead stop ontop of the water. Teeth marks in the bait, and the fish was struggling immediatly after and right next to my bait, I have only been chasing for 2.5 years but I dont think it was a coincidence Im 100% positive of it being the same fish. There was 0 signs of struggle or any boils on the water in that spot we fished for over an hour, until I hooked into it. Never even see a fish belly up on that lake unless it was a fingerling.
Definitely not ruling it out as a possibility though. Thanks for the replies everyone.

Edited by grind4slime 6/29/2018 4:12 PM
Kirby Budrow
Posted 6/29/2018 5:18 PM (#911173 - in reply to #911150)
Subject: Re: Mortality Question/Happening





Posts: 1370


Location: Chisholm, MN
Having a big hook set into your face is actually really rough. I know they’re just fish but I honestly think they feel pain and it’s harder on them than we think. The reason I say I think they feel pain is that I set the hooks hard on a 43 or so the other day right in the 8. It never got hooked but stung a little bit. The fish just laid right under the surface shaking it’s head violently for a good 10 seconds. 20 or 30 headshakes but no bait in its mouth. It obviously hurt. Anyway, stick a cowgirl in your mouth and have your buddy set the hook at hard as he can and see how you feel. Of course I’m still going to fish hard and set the hook like I’m swinging for a homer but just saying, being caught sucks.

Personally I don’t take a fish out of the water if I know it had a hard time in the battle or was hooked bad. Just water release it. No pic or a net pic is fine for me.

Edited by Kirby Budrow 6/29/2018 5:20 PM
waldo
Posted 6/30/2018 10:05 AM (#911209 - in reply to #911173)
Subject: Re: Mortality Question/Happening




Posts: 218


Location: Madison
Anyway, stick a cowgirl in your mouth and have your buddy set the hook at hard as he can and see how you feel.


Stick a bluegill or bullhead in your mouth, bite down and see how you feel. Muskies and other predators are built to do that all day long. Fish aren’t built like humans.
mnmusky
Posted 6/30/2018 10:22 AM (#911210 - in reply to #911209)
Subject: Re: Mortality Question/Happening




I watched a video where a musky had a muskrat in its mouth and the rat was chewing on the outside of the bill, clearly causing some damage yet the musky showed no reaction to the biting.
djwilliams
Posted 7/1/2018 1:14 PM (#911268 - in reply to #911150)
Subject: Re: Mortality Question/Happening




Posts: 686


Location: Ames, Iowa
"Anyway, stick a cowgirl in your mouth and have your buddy set the hook at hard as he can and see how you feel."

Humans like all mammals have a large, well developed parietal lobe in the brain where the pain center exists. I have read the Smithsonian article about the fact that fish feel pain. However, even the researchers suggest there is little understanding of the intensity or "kind" of pain fish feel. Given the tiny mass of a fish's brain relative to the whole mass of the fish, and comparing that to the large mass of the human brain relative to the mass of the whole, I think fish do not feel pain like humans do. My apologies for digressing from the immediate topic of fish mortality.
sworrall
Posted 7/1/2018 1:23 PM (#911270 - in reply to #911268)
Subject: Re: Mortality Question/Happening





Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin
djwilliams - 7/1/2018 1:14 PM

"Anyway, stick a cowgirl in your mouth and have your buddy set the hook at hard as he can and see how you feel."

Humans like all mammals have a large, well developed parietal lobe in the brain where the pain center exists. I have read the Smithsonian article about the fact that fish feel pain. However, even the researchers suggest there is little understanding of the intensity or "kind" of pain fish feel. Given the tiny mass of a fish's brain relative to the whole mass of the fish, and comparing that to the large mass of the human brain relative to the mass of the whole, I think fish do not feel pain like humans do. My apologies for digressing from the immediate topic of fish mortality.


This.
Reelwise
Posted 7/2/2018 11:55 PM (#911431 - in reply to #911150)
Subject: Re: Mortality Question/Happening




Posts: 1559


In one particular warm water Muskie angling study... Muskies were hooked, fought, landed, and kept out of the water for up to a minute or more at a time - and every single fish survived after the release. The survival of these fish was proven through tracking as well as fish being recaptured. The point is... Muskies have been through much worse and have survived.

With that being said... every fish can be different.

I witnessed a fish die after a quick fight in water that was probably 74-75 degrees. I do not believe warm water temps was the reason for that fish dying nor was it the reason your fish died. You said the fish had an injury. Maybe a little bit of stress combined with the previous injury was all it took. It would be tough to blame it on water temps, though... unless the fish came up from deep, cold water and ran into some kind of shock after hitting a drastic, warm change. Just doesn't seem like the fish you found was in the best shape to begin with.
happy hooker
Posted 7/3/2018 7:40 AM (#911439 - in reply to #911431)
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Even with 3 barrels JAWs could still submerge
Reelwise
Posted 7/4/2018 11:52 AM (#911511 - in reply to #911150)
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ToddM
Posted 7/4/2018 3:42 PM (#911529 - in reply to #911150)
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