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North of 8
Posted 1/20/2022 4:39 PM (#1001614)
Subject: Electric Boats




Milwaukee Boat show is taking place this weekend and the Sentinel carried a story online today about one of the ski boats on display. It is from the longtime ski boat company Nautique and looks like others in the line but is fully electric. Costs was a list of $299,000. Weight was a chunky 5,600 pounds. Interestingly, the range at ski pulling speeds is only 2 to 3 hours.
Story went on to say Mercury is developing 5 different electric motors and that they will soon be available on a limited basis, primarily through a boat sharing program. The target market in the near term will be Europe where there is a push to ban gas powered boats.
I have been reading about all electric trucks but had not heard much about electric boats. Wonder how far away we are from electric fishing boats? Seems like the weight issue would be tough to overcome.
sworrall
Posted 1/20/2022 4:59 PM (#1001617 - in reply to #1001614)
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin
Electric outboards to 50 HP have been around a while, but are spendy as all get out.
North of 8
Posted 1/20/2022 5:10 PM (#1001618 - in reply to #1001617)
Subject: Re: Electric Boats




sworrall - 1/20/2022 4:59 PM

Electric outboards to 50 HP have been around a while, but re spendy as all get out.

Have you had the opportunity to drive one?
sworrall
Posted 1/20/2022 5:58 PM (#1001620 - in reply to #1001614)
Subject: Re: Electric Boats





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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin
No, but I did look hard at them for a while.

https://www.boatingmag.com/stealth-electric-outboard/

https://www.torqeedo.com/us/en-us/products/outboards/deep-blue/deep-...

https://www.epropulsion.com/post/electric-outboard-motor-guide/
Brian Hoffies
Posted 1/21/2022 9:17 AM (#1001645 - in reply to #1001614)
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The electric's will come with a 9.9 gas to get you back to the dock to plug in. Or maybe just convert a Prious for boating use.

Can't you imagine miles & miles of extension cords strung across the lakes? lol

Thankfully I'll be dead before this non-sense really kicks in.
CincySkeez
Posted 1/21/2022 10:42 AM (#1001652 - in reply to #1001614)
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Location: Duluth
Currently doing a diesel to electric conversion for a guy. Ripped a Volvo D30 out of Ranger tug and am replacing with a torqeedo. Very curious to see how the thing performs. Not the most prudent move in my mind....but if the price is right.
ToddM
Posted 1/21/2022 12:29 PM (#1001658 - in reply to #1001645)
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Location: oswego, il
Brian Hoffies - 1/21/2022 9:17 AM

The electric's will come with a 9.9 gas to get you back to the dock to plug in. Or maybe just convert a Prious for boating use.

Can't you imagine miles & miles of extension cords strung across the lakes? lol

Thankfully I'll be dead before this non-sense really kicks in.


I'd hate to be a neighbor kid on your lawn.:-)
North of 8
Posted 1/21/2022 1:15 PM (#1001661 - in reply to #1001658)
Subject: Re: Electric Boats




Electric cars have been around since 1891 and first electric taxi in the USA appeared in 1894, so they are not exactly new. Better batteries, better technology.
CincySkeez
Posted 1/21/2022 1:35 PM (#1001665 - in reply to #1001661)
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Location: Duluth
Batteries are quite heavy, granted lithium batteries have come a long way but the weight to run time ratio just isn't there yet to justify it. Builders could certainly do some things to make these boats lighter to compensate, but anyway you slice it you're still talking big money.

Guess you can always keep a genset on board to charge your engine, or make your whole deck a solar array, and add a wind generator.
R/T
Posted 1/21/2022 1:51 PM (#1001666 - in reply to #1001614)
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Maybe we do not need to rush. Seems like things are not yet there for a myriad of reasons. Here's one objective take on it done by Volvo: https://www.carscoops.com/2021/11/volvo-says-manufacturing-an-electr...
North of 8
Posted 1/21/2022 1:53 PM (#1001667 - in reply to #1001665)
Subject: Re: Electric Boats




CincySkeez - 1/21/2022 1:35 PM

Batteries are quite heavy, granted lithium batteries have come a long way but the weight to run time ratio just isn't there yet to justify it. Builders could certainly do some things to make these boats lighter to compensate, but anyway you slice it you're still talking big money.

Guess you can always keep a genset on board to charge your engine, or make your whole deck a solar array, and add a wind generator.


My comment about electric vehicles having been around for a long time didn't mean they are all that practical. As I put in my initial post, the weight of the ski boat at the Milwaukee Show this weekend is a whopping 5,600 pounds. Have to believe a big chunk of that is the battery array. I did see a prototype pontoon photo where the entire boat had a "canopy" that was a solar array. 20'x8' solar array should produce a good amount of power when sitting at the dock for recharging.
CincySkeez
Posted 1/21/2022 2:00 PM (#1001668 - in reply to #1001667)
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North of 8 - 1/21/2022 1:53 PM

My comment about electric vehicles having been around for a long time didn't mean they are all that practical. As I put in my initial post, the weight of the ski boat at the Milwaukee Show this weekend is a whopping 5,600 pounds. Have to believe a big chunk of that is the battery array. I did see a prototype pontoon photo where the entire boat had a "canopy" that was a solar array. 20'x8' solar array should produce a good amount of power when sitting at the dock for recharging.


I would love to climb all over that electric Natique and see what sacrifices were made to keep the thing under 10,000lbs. Would also love to see how it was propped and what kind of transmission they are using.
North of 8
Posted 1/21/2022 2:17 PM (#1001669 - in reply to #1001668)
Subject: Re: Electric Boats




CincySkeez - 1/21/2022 2:00 PM

North of 8 - 1/21/2022 1:53 PM

My comment about electric vehicles having been around for a long time didn't mean they are all that practical. As I put in my initial post, the weight of the ski boat at the Milwaukee Show this weekend is a whopping 5,600 pounds. Have to believe a big chunk of that is the battery array. I did see a prototype pontoon photo where the entire boat had a "canopy" that was a solar array. 20'x8' solar array should produce a good amount of power when sitting at the dock for recharging.


I would love to climb all over that electric Natique and see what sacrifices were made to keep the thing under 10,000lbs. Would also love to see how it was propped and what kind of transmission they are using.
Me too. Sharp looking boat from the pics. Looked very much like a regular Nautique. The story did not go into any of the technical aspects, like battery placement, drive train, etc. My son lives in South Milwaukee, and I was tempted to ask him to swing over and check it out but they have a baptism down in Illinois to attend.
CincySkeez
Posted 1/21/2022 3:05 PM (#1001672 - in reply to #1001669)
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Location: Duluth
Yea, was doing some googling and not much for technical specs available. I'm sure somebody who chose the right parents will pull up to my place of employment with one of these this summer, then i'll have my chance
madmusky
Posted 1/21/2022 4:48 PM (#1001674 - in reply to #1001672)
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Electric outboards
https://www.elcomotoryachts.com

Masqui-ninja
Posted 1/21/2022 5:21 PM (#1001676 - in reply to #1001614)
Subject: Re: Electric Boats





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Location: Walker, MN
It seems like a fishing boat could be the best platform for electric, since most time is spent on the trolling motor, trolling or graphing. Those annoying other boats that just burn gas all day, not so much.
curdmudgeon
Posted 1/21/2022 5:38 PM (#1001677 - in reply to #1001676)
Subject: Re: Electric Boats





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Love my Torqeedo Cruise 2.0 and 24 volt lithium 26-104. Can barely get my Lowe 1256 on plane at WOT but much prefer to run days and days at hull speed. Our electric-only lakes are 700 to 3200 acres, surrounded by woods, with no development, and only elecric boats. Totally beautiful lakes and ideal match for small electric boat. No smell, very quiet, essentially zero maintenance motor.



Edited by curdmudgeon 1/21/2022 6:08 PM
IAJustin
Posted 1/24/2022 10:52 AM (#1001749 - in reply to #1001676)
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Masqui-ninja - 1/21/2022 5:21 PM

It seems like a fishing boat could be the best platform for electric, since most time is spent on the trolling motor, trolling or graphing. Those annoying other boats that just burn gas all day, not so much.


I was thinking the exact same thing...change is coming fast. Speaking of fast, rode in a Tesla Plaid the other day..holy poopy batman! (poopy - ha! I've never seen this site do "word changes" for you? Good stuff)

Edited by IAJustin 1/24/2022 10:55 AM
North of 8
Posted 1/24/2022 3:19 PM (#1001760 - in reply to #1001749)
Subject: Re: Electric Boats




GM announced last week a plan to use hydrogen to generate electricity that can then be used to recharge electric vehicles. Apparently, the hydrogen power they have been researching for a long time has not worked as a source for powering cars, too bulky, but it could produce very clean electricity to power cars through recharging units. Maybe a decade from now these hydrogen units will be stationed on lake shores, even on remote lakes, ready to charge up your boat. My sister lives on water just south of Glacier Bay National Park. Not a lot of homes but I did see some folks had wind generators that created electric for their fishing boats at the dock. Any electric has to be generating on site by solar, wind or generator or combination of those sources.
CincySkeez
Posted 1/24/2022 4:07 PM (#1001761 - in reply to #1001760)
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Location: Duluth
Yea, we have put fuel cells in a few sailboats that do some long range racing and/or cruising. Actually very surprised the technology isn't more ubiqitous among the angling crowd. Could extend a lot of trips. Although I think most of us are fishing on borrowed time anyway
North of 8
Posted 1/24/2022 4:48 PM (#1001765 - in reply to #1001761)
Subject: Re: Electric Boats




CincySkeez - 1/24/2022 4:07 PM

Yea, we have put fuel cells in a few sailboats that do some long range racing and/or cruising. Actually very surprised the technology isn't more ubiqitous among the angling crowd. Could extend a lot of trips. Although I think most of us are fishing on borrowed time anyway ;)


As a 70 yr old fisherman, I surely am, but it is neat to see all the new technology coming down the road, even if I won't get to use it. When I see the power and acceleration figures for Tesla, Ford Lightning, wonder if they will be able to harness all that immediate torque to put big glass fishing boats on plane almost instantly. Maybe variable pitch props like on planes?
Smell_Esox
Posted 1/26/2022 2:37 PM (#1001819 - in reply to #1001614)
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If you think about it, the weigh might not be that bad considering things you would no longer need. A Tesla battery is about 900 pounds. Would it need to be that big? Then you wouldn't have an outboard, starting and trolling motor batteries, gas, etc. You might be able to have a rig that doesn't weigh much more than a loaded up Ranger.
ARmuskyaddict
Posted 1/26/2022 8:12 PM (#1001829 - in reply to #1001614)
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I'm holding out until there are hoverboards with a dragged sonar array.
jb51
Posted 1/26/2022 8:54 PM (#1001830 - in reply to #1001614)
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The best electric boat
http://www.gdeb.com/
North of 8
Posted 1/27/2022 8:33 AM (#1001842 - in reply to #1001830)
Subject: Re: Electric Boats




jb51 - 1/26/2022 8:54 PM

The best electric boat
http://www.gdeb.com/


;>), yep electric boats have been around at least as long as outboard motors have.
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