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| Watched an episode of Keys Outdoors I had DVR'd awhile ago, and Dave Brown gave a tip about throwing magnum dawgs, pounders and dying dawgs. He suggested that to reduce fatigue, you let enough line out so that prior to the cast the lure is roughly at the reel, and then a relatively easy lob will send it a long ways. I just started throwing the larger rubber baits last year after buying a rod that could handle them. I had been letting out maybe 2 feet of line but his method seems to make sense. Any of you do this?
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Location: Ashland WI | North of 8 - 3/14/2018 10:31 AM
Watched an episode of Keys Outdoors I had DVR'd awhile ago, and Dave Brown gave a tip about throwing magnum dawgs, pounders and dying dawgs. He suggested that to reduce fatigue, you let enough line out so that prior to the cast the lure is roughly at the reel, and then a relatively easy lob will send it a long ways. I just started throwing the larger rubber baits last year after buying a rod that could handle them. I had been letting out maybe 2 feet of line but his method seems to make sense. Any of you do this?
I don't let out quite that much, probably around 4-5 feet. Definitely seems better than a short amount of line. |
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| Thanks, I am going to experiment a little and try both ways. You are right ledo, it does seem better. I just never had anywhere near that much line out and am guessing it will feel a little awkward at first. I think I will feel more comfortable with 4-5 feet than the 7-8 feet he had out. I will say he was very careful, always checking over his shoulder, even though the other angler was at the far end of the boat. |
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Location: Chisholm, MN | I do it just like Dave did. It's really the only way to do it without getting too beat up. When you swing it forward, and then back toward your head you create momentum without any effort. You can launch a pounder a mile this way.
The more line the better!
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Location: Waukee, IA | The more speed you can retain into your casting motion, the less you need to generate with the cast. An easy way to retain speed is to use a pendulum motion as shown on Keys Outdoors. It seems to help a lot more in cold weather when heavily insulated clothing hinders efficient cast form. |
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| Kirby Budrow - 3/14/2018 11:30 AM
I do it just like Dave did. It's really the only way to do it without getting too beat up. When you swing it forward, and then back toward your head you create momentum without any effort. You can launch a pounder a mile this way.
The more line the better!
Thanks, I need to watch that again, to see his rhythm. It makes sense, what you are saying, to use the pendulum motion to get more momentum and use that to cast rather than using a lot of upper body effort to snap the rod. On the other hand, I am not the most coordinated person, will have to be careful not to hook myself. Like most things, I am sure it will become much easier with practice. |
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Location: Grand Rapids, MI | IMO you don't want one motion. The momentum would actually work against you because you would need to stop the momentum before moving forward. Having used this method to cast big rubber for what seems like forever now I try to keep it as simple as possible. I put the rod over my shoulder then let out a few feet (3-4) of line. You are, for all intents and purposes, turning your arms and rod into a trebuchet. Line acting as sling, rod acting as beam, reel hand is the pivot, and hand on the rod butt is the counterwieght. It's really all about conservation of energy, there should be very little movement other than the hand pulling down on the rod butt.
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| A lot of these issues are alleviated by a rod that has the right amount of stiffness to properly load these baits. Throwing them on a rod that is either too stiff or too soft makes casting these baits a lot more work than it has to be. |
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| Will Schultz - 3/14/2018 1:05 PM
IMO you don't want one motion. The momentum would actually work against you because you would need to stop the momentum before moving forward. Having used this method to cast big rubber for what seems like forever now I try to keep it as simple as possible. I put the rod over my shoulder then let out a few feet (3-4) of line. You are, for all intents and purposes, turning your arms and rod into a trebuchet. Line acting as sling, rod acting as beam, reel hand is the pivot, and hand on the rod butt is the counterwieght. It's really all about conservation of energy, there should be very little movement other than the hand pulling down on the rod butt.
My only observation of trebuchet has been at pumpkin chunking. As I remember it, the pumpkin sits in a sling out ahead of the arm. When the arm is released the pumpkin is dragged backwards as the arm moves up, then the arm flings forward, throwing the pumpkin. |
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Location: Walker, MN | Yep, I call it a pendulum cast. It looks just like a trebuchet, which can obviously generate a lot of force. |
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Location: Southwest PA | It took me a long time to learn how to do it properly, but it works for sure. The people who salt water shore fish do the same thing when chucking 8-16oz. of lead and half of a fish. A little bit different start up inertia, with the bait starting from laying on the ground in the surf scenario, but same concept essentially... |
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Location: Chisholm, MN | Actually, I do this for a lot of baits now, not just big rubber. It works well for supermodels, big topwaters and beavers. It helps keep the blades of a super model folded up so you can cast further. For the beavers it helps keep the bait straight in the air so it doesn't get hung up on itself like a "dog ball". |
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| yes it work,and also help to prevent bulldawgin |
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| Another option too is to pick up St. Croix's new 9 ft premier, built for throwing pounders. It also has an EVO handle that's extra wide to help with rib pressure. And at $220 it's a great investment. Waiting for the musky shop to restock to order mine and throw a Tranx 400 on it. |
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Location: Cedarburg, WI | North of 8 - 3/14/2018 10:31 AM
Watched an episode of Keys Outdoors I had DVR'd awhile ago, and Dave Brown gave a tip about throwing magnum dawgs, pounders and dying dawgs. He suggested that to reduce fatigue, you let enough line out so that prior to the cast the lure is roughly at the reel, and then a relatively easy lob will send it a long ways. I just started throwing the larger rubber baits last year after buying a rod that could handle them. I had been letting out maybe 2 feet of line but his method seems to make sense. Any of you do this?
Do you recall which episode this was? I'm going to have to try this technique for sure...my "regular" style casts with only a couple feet out wore me out in a hurry last fall. |
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| Softwater - 3/14/2018 4:15 PM
North of 8 - 3/14/2018 10:31 AM
Watched an episode of Keys Outdoors I had DVR'd awhile ago, and Dave Brown gave a tip about throwing magnum dawgs, pounders and dying dawgs. He suggested that to reduce fatigue, you let enough line out so that prior to the cast the lure is roughly at the reel, and then a relatively easy lob will send it a long ways. I just started throwing the larger rubber baits last year after buying a rod that could handle them. I had been letting out maybe 2 feet of line but his method seems to make sense. Any of you do this?
Do you recall which episode this was? I'm going to have to try this technique for sure...my "regular" style casts with only a couple feet out wore me out in a hurry last fall.
Sorry, it was two weeks ago I think. Keys was not in it at all, just Dave Brown and a friend of his doing late fall fishing. I would look it up but I normally delete once I have watched it. |
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| AQM - 3/14/2018 3:47 PM
Another option too is to pick up St. Croix's new 9 ft premier, built for throwing pounders. It also has an EVO handle that's extra wide to help with rib pressure. And at $220 it's a great investment. Waiting for the musky shop to restock to order mine and throw a Tranx 400 on it.
I bought a TI XXH 9' last year or the year before. He had a great deal where if you bought a rod on Memorial Day(I think), he donated one to a veterans group. I really had not used it for anything other than regular bull dawgs until last fall. I didn't really have an issue but it was work and easier seems better. |
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Location: minocqua, wi. | lay the bait in the water and launch it like a catapult (no weight and no load effort) ... learned that from a short guy who catches a lot of muskies on eagle lake. it works ... |
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Location: Cedarburg, WI | I just ran across it. Here's the link. Excellent.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7a5_AEyGYyM&feature=youtu.be |
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| jonnysled - 3/14/2018 4:46 PM
lay the bait in the water and launch it like a catapult (no weight and no load effort) ... learned that from a short guy who catches a lot of muskies on eagle lake. it works ...
So you let the bait down in the water behind you, and cast it from that position? Just trying to envision this. |
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Location: minocqua, wi. | yup ... |
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| Thanks, two different methods to try |
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Location: Grayling, Michigan | It’s on YouTube Keys outdoors 2018 I think episode 9.
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Location: SE Wisc | However you want to cast rubber just make sure the bait is laying out at the end of your cast. Seems obvious but even the most effortless casting method is useless if you’re pulling in a tangled mess of a lure every third cast. |
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Location: Southwest PA | jonnysled - 3/14/2018 5:46 PM
lay the bait in the water and launch it like a catapult (no weight and no load effort) ... learned that from a short guy who catches a lot of muskies on eagle lake. it works ...
EXACTLY THIS! That's what I attempted to explain with the surf scenario, but this is a much better description. Thanks sled. |
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Location: Ashland WI | North of 8 - 3/14/2018 5:06 PM
jonnysled - 3/14/2018 4:46 PM
lay the bait in the water and launch it like a catapult (no weight and no load effort) ... learned that from a short guy who catches a lot of muskies on eagle lake. it works ...
So you let the bait down in the water behind you, and cast it from that position? Just trying to envision this.
I watched Steve Genson doing this on a lake i fish near home. |
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Location: E. Tenn |
I have a Tuffy esox magnum on order and was curious to know what that brand of rod holder was mounted on the gunwale on the "white boat" in the 2016 segment.. (4:36-5:15 into the video)
I'll have to try that casting technique the next time I get the insane urge to throw pounders... It looks like the idea is to properly load the rod during the backcast, just like casting with a 3wt. fly rod...
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Location: Cedarburg, WI | TRiley - 3/14/2018 6:00 PM
It’s on YouTube Keys outdoors 2018 I think episode 9.
That's the one. Around the 8 minute mark. |
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Location: Eagle Lake Vermilion Bay, Ontario | haha sled!! ya i threw a pounder and the giant medussa...once....and instantly figured there had to be a better way especially when they first came out ...rods have come along way since for that specific application, but its still a chore day in and day out. basically its the same as dave recomended, the cast, the motion/swing,and the same idea with distance between the rod and the bait ONLY the bait actually lays in the water and launched from the water in a big pendulum swing. the water suspends the bait so as you initiate the swing the bait is practically weightless compared to have to jump start the full weight of the bait hanging in air at the end of the line. big big diff . if you are a giant rubber thrower and havent ..try it, you will immedialty get 10-20 further with a min. effort.
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