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Location: Ashland WI | Currently I have a 14' Fisher boat. It has a small side counsel and is powered by a 1978 25 hp Evinrude. With two people I can get 20 mph (GPS confirmed) out of it. I am not to concerned about the speed, a little faster would be nice, but it is just to small. Not very much room to move around.
Next spring, I should have around 3k-4k to spend on a new boat.
I would like to purchase a boat that will keep me happy for a few years. I am not looking for a really big boat because I like to fish some smaller inland lakes with poorer landings, but I am definitely looking for something bigger than what I have. I primarily cast, but would troll some.
I see some older (mid 80's) Rangers with 90hp-125hp motors on them on craigslist that are in this price range. Would I be happier with something like this? Or put the money toward a newer aluminum boat with a smaller motor?
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| My buddy bought a 2008ish Lund SSV 16 with a 25HP merc tiller on it for 4k last year. The previous owner built a casting deck up front. Sweet rig for 2 guys. Went about 25 with 2 guys loaded with gear. |
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Location: Contrarian Island | I'd look for an older Tuffy Esox LTD or Esox Mag.. tiller w a 40-60 on it, can get it into bad / shallow landings easily...
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | There's a good one on the Classifieds board right now, a '92 Esox, which is a 16'10" boat. Will fish three pretty well and is in your price range. |
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Location: NE PA | Those big old motors are gas hogs just food for thought |
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Location: Ashland WI | This makes me think. I kind of like a side counsel. I am not against keeping an open mind though.
It seems like I saw a counsel vs tiller thread at one time. I should probably read it. |
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Location: The desert | If you're looking at maximizing room room in a smaller boat, a tiller is your best bet. The boat Steve referenced is a solid rig. If I had the cash, I'd snatch it up. |
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Location: WI | Get your best bang for your buck with a 16' rig like an esox mag or a Lund or alumacraft. Tons of them out there in your price range in the 1990s age. Getting a mid 80s boat with a larger motor of that era is just asking for problems. Money pit |
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Location: Ashland WI | Thanks for all the input so far guys. Good to hear from guys who have already been there. |
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Location: Kronenwetter, WI | Esox |
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| I bought a 98 Lund angler tiller a year ago in like new condition for under $4000 from a dealer. Just keep your eyes open; good deals don't last long. Winter is the best time to find cheap boats. |
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| I bought my 95 Nitro 170dc with a Merc 60 out back for 4500. Boat is in near mint condition and I love it. Not a big water boat but works great for where I fish and fishes 3 people pretty good.
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Location: Ashland WI | Well I am a bit torn right now. Looks like I will have a long winter of research ahead of me. Tiller vs. counsel?? Glass vs. aluminum??
To some guys this may not seem like a big deal. I am on a fixed budget though, and do not want to have a boat I am unhappy with. I also cannot really afford to purchase a boat, find I don't like it, and take a loss on it selling. |
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| Keep in mind it doesnt have to be a muskie only boat. Its nice having consoles to cruise around with and plenty of fishing space.
We have spent a lot of time on my boat tubing, watching the fireworks on the 4th, kids driving and having a blast and plain fun just cruising around with the GF and friends. I would never go back to a tiller as my only boat. Wish I could have both a true muskie rig(possibly tiller) and a nice pleasure boat.
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Location: Ashland WI | I have my eye on a Tuffy Esox Ltd. right now. It is a tiller rig. Comes with a 30hp merc with power trim.
Would like to hear from some guys who have this boat or similar.
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Location: Wisconsin | sworrall - 11/11/2014 3:31 PM
There's a good one on the Classifieds board right now, a '92 Esox, which is a 16'10" boat. Will fish three pretty well and is in your price range.
This is a great deal on a nice rig. You have to grab a deal when you see it when you are looking for used. Spring everyone is looking so less inventory and usually higher costs as well. |
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Location: Sycamore, IL | I have had a '96 Tuffy Esox LTD for the last 5 years. It is a very versatile boat that seems to have more room than the specs would suggest. Mine is equipped with a 50hp Johnson and moves WOT at 30mph on the GPS with me, the dog and all my gear. Add another guy and I drop down to 29MPH. I rarely fish three, but have on occasion and its been ok. I added a rear casting deck to mine and usually fish off the back. It is a great boat for both casting(low to the water=easy and deep figure 8's) and trolling(tracks great and turns on a dime). I can fit 9' rods in my rod locker(which I modified) and I use my, plugged and disconnected, livewell for extra storage. I also added a front battery compartment to mine last winter, like the esox mag has, which freed up a bunch of storage area in the front compartment. My one issue with the boat is that in large waves, like those from wakeboarders, it WILL take water over the bow...but 95% of the time I find it to be the perfect fishing boat for the lakes I fish. Good luck with your search!
P.S.-Be sure and check out the transom and floor for wood rot. Mine had to have the transom and flooring replaced. |
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Location: Ashland WI | Thanks for review. What do you think top end would be with a 94 30hp merc? That is what the boat I am looking at has. It does have power trim. |
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Location: Sycamore, IL | I don't really know...maybe low twenties? Looks like a sweet boat by by the way...I like it in White. It looks like he re-did the compartments and lids...I would see if he has any restoration pics.
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Location: Ashland WI | MD75 - 11/18/2014 6:40 PM
I don't really know...maybe low twenties? Looks like a sweet boat by by the way...I like it in White. It looks like he re-did the compartments and lids...I would see if he has any restoration pics.
Hey???.... How did you know what boat I was looking at? |
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Location: Ashland WI | MD75 - 11/18/2014 6:40 PM
I don't really know...maybe low twenties? Looks like a sweet boat by by the way...I like it in White. It looks like he re-did the compartments and lids...I would see if he has any restoration pics.
Hey???.... How did you know what boat I was looking at?
Good idea on the restoration pics. |
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Location: Sycamore, IL | 14ledo81 - 11/18/2014 8:47 PM
MD75 - 11/18/2014 6:40 PM
I don't really know...maybe low twenties? Looks like a sweet boat by by the way...I like it in White. It looks like he re-did the compartments and lids...I would see if he has any restoration pics.
Hey???.... How did you know what boat I was looking at?
Quick search of the top used boat sites... |
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| If you are fishing smaller water, and shallow ramps, I would go with an aluminum boat.
I fish a lot of lakes, with ramps that have no docks. I fish by myself, a lot, so I have to beach the boat in rocks, often. You don't want to do that with a fiberglass boat.
They are lighter to haul. |
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Location: Ashland WI | Anybody else out there with a Tuffy Esox tiller rig? Would certainly appreciate it if you could give me your thoughts. |
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Location: Mauston, Wisconsin | Is there really one? Maybe the correct definition is - Economical Muskie Boat = water displacement system that sucks the cash from your wallet!
It depends on how you fish and where you want to fish...there's also a compromise - not eveyone wants or needs a Great Lakes boat - PS -> there are guides there that have the right boats...if you only fish big water 1 - 2 times a year.... get a guide. |
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Location: Money, PA | "Economical Muskie Boat" - Is there really such a thing???? |
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| I haven't owned an Esox tiller, but I've owned an Esox console and it was ridiculously awesome and I hope to go back to one some day. The Esox series, whether tiller or console, is an outstanding boat with a great layout and a super hull. If the hull is solid you can't go wrong.
As for economical musky boats, I've owned lots of boats: fish-and-skis, Whalers, jet boats, bay boats, even a Ranger. Some were brand new with big payments, but my last two have been low budget "fixer uppers," that came with solid hulls and lots of promise and little else. But unlike the new ones I could pay cash. And with patience, creativity, and a helluva lot of sweat equity, when you're done you'll have something to be proud of. I'd love to tell you I wouldnt trade my fixer upper Lund tiller for a new 620 (that would be a lie!), but dang, I like fishing out of a boat I busted my butt to make nice. Yeah, you can have an economical musky boat. Go get it! |
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| ShutUpNFish - 11/24/2014 12:47 PM
"Economical Muskie Boat" - Is there really such a thing????
The boat itself maybe, but by the time its loaded up with electronics and gear no way. lol
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Location: Milwaukee | I have an '87 Esox LTD tiller, and love it! Fishes 2 or 3 guys just fine, easy to launch and drive. I have a 1979 Johnson 50 on it, hoping for a new 4 stroke 60 for Christmas. Fat chance. It goes about 24 mph with 2 guys and gear. Very stable to fish from.
I really love this boat, the only thing I would trade it for is a another Tuffy. |
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| In addition to the boats mentioned above, perhaps keep your eye open for a year 1988 - 1991 Ranger 680 series (tiller or console) mode.These are smaller (17 foot) boats which are fine on small water and can handle moderately large water. Hulls are pretty timeless and are rock solid. Ride is great. They can be found in the 3500 - $5000 range - sometimes re-powered with decent electronics. Console fishes 2 very well while the tiller would be fine up to 3.
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Location: Tennessee | 14ledo81 - 11/23/2014 12:35 AM
Anybody else out there with a Tuffy Esox tiller rig? Would certainly appreciate it if you could give me your thoughts.
We use one here at the TVMA, it's Cory Allens boat and one of the best muskie boats I've ever stepped aboard. No other boat can match the stability of the Esox line. I run a jet because I play alot in the river but in the future I'm probably gonna try to snag myself an Esox mag tiller. |
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| Good luck finding a 680T. I had to drive from N.J. to MN to get one and the choices were limited to one. Lucky for me she cleaned up great. |
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| The 680T is hard to find but they are awesome boats.
Easy to pull behind the vehicle and can still handle some bigger water.
At 16'10" they can fish three pretty comfortably if needed. |
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Location: Ashland WI | Thanks to everybody for all the input. I recently pulled the trigger on a "92" Tuffy Esox Ltd. Came with a "92" 40hp Johnson, (2) older minn kota trolling motors (front and back), (3) rod holders, a lowrance elite-4x, and a very nice KD launcher trailer. I paid $2700. I will post a pic when I get to my work PC. I don't know how to post from my phone.
Really can't wait for spring now...
Question for anybody else with this boat. Have you put a casting deck in the back? If so, how/where? The main switch panel is down low, and it seems any type of deck would cover it. |
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Location: Wisconsin | 14ledo81 - 11/30/2014 8:03 AM
Thanks to everybody for all the input. I recently pulled the trigger on a "92" Tuffy Esox Ltd. Came with a "92" 40hp Johnson, (2) older minn kota trolling motors (front and back), (3) rod holders, a lowrance elite-4x, and a very nice KD launcher trailer. I paid $2700. I will post a pic when I get to my work PC. I don't know how to post from my phone.
Really can't wait for spring now...
Question for anybody else with this boat. Have you put a casting deck in the back? If so, how/where? The main switch panel is down low, and it seems any type of deck would cover it.
Nice! Can't help with your rear casting deck, sorry. Sounds like a nice price as well.
Now the wait for open water! Man it seems like it will be a long winter again! |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Yes on the deck, PM me. |
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Location: Ashland WI | sworrall - 11/30/2014 10:33 AM
Yes on the deck, PM me.
Steve,
I did send you a PM. Did you get it? |
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Location: Ashland WI | Here is a pic of the "new to me" boat. I am really excited to try it out. Don't know how I am going to be able to wait all winter......
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| take a rd trip down south or take it out on an open river |
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Location: Ashland WI | lund guy - 12/1/2014 6:01 PM
take a rd trip down south or take it out on an open river
Might have to.
Another option is to put it in the 'hot pond' here in the bay in Ashland.....  :) |
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| Looks really nice! Should be a great fishing machine! |
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Location: MN | Nice boat! Now all you need is an $1800 Terrova and a couple $800 Birds and you are set.  It never ends... |
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| where's the hot pond in Ashland |
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Location: Ashland WI | Nershi - 12/2/2014 4:42 PM
Nice boat! Now all you need is an $1800 Terrova and a couple $800 Birds and you are set. It never ends...
No doubt. I am thinking about putting the money from the sale of my old boat toward some decent electronics. |
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Location: Ashland WI | lund guy - 12/2/2014 6:06 PM
where's the hot pond in Ashland
Warm water discharge from the Excel energy powerplant. Stays open all winter. |
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| is it good fishing I wana get my boat out as well sometime this winter |
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Location: Ashland WI | lund guy - 12/2/2014 6:36 PM
is it good fishing I wana get my boat out as well sometime this winter
It can be. Not very much open water though. It was more of a joking comment.
Are you not to far from Ashland? |
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| I live in southern WI between Madison and Milwaukee |
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Location: Ashland WI | lund guy - 12/2/2014 8:55 PM
I live in southern WI between Madison and Milwaukee
I would say it is definitely not worth the drive to Ashland to put in at the hot pond. |
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Location: Tennessee | You'll love it!!! |
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Location: West of the metro, MN | Nice rig!
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| I had an Esox Ltd. for 10 years. Loved it! Easy to pull, easy to launch/load. I called it the barge. I replaced it 4 years ago with a fish/ski I bought in January. Man is it hard to wait for open water with a newer boat in the garage. |
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Location: Ashland WI | Upadate:
I put my boat in the water the other night for the first time. I was very happy with the performance. Definitely impressed with the stability. With two guys in the boat, we were able to just break 30 mph.
So far it appears I will be very happy with this boat. Thanks to all for input. I do not think I would have looked in this direction if it were not for the advice from this board. |
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Location: Ashland WI | First fish of the year in the new (to me) boat!!
Caught using an offshore planer board that I purchased from a member of this site (thanks Dave).
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Location: WI | Your welcome Matt, I am glad you are making good use of them! Enjoy! Love the boat I have a 93 Tuffy Esox LTD. in perfect shape, truly enjoy fishing out of them! |
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