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| So the other day I went to fish some bouyes.... there was another boat so we went opposite side of bouyes to set up.... but the guy switched... went between the bouyes and straight at us... then reved up motor flew off and flicked us off. I THOUGHT we were being polite and chose spot farthest away.
Lately seems trolling guys go right at us when path seems adequate...... one group of younger guys came near, parked, and as we where trolled toward where parked we had to go near them to stay out of shallow water (between two shallows and they could see we were heading that way) They casted at our boat and actually over our lines... I literally could not check for weeds or he would have caught my line. They did it on purpose....
I want to know where my errors are here and what normal ethics our for fishing spots when other boats around? |
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Location: Michigan U.P. | I am a big fan of common sense, I don't think you were wrong on either occasion. Just take the high road and don't respond to the ones that fliped you off.
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Location: N.FIB | things like that happen when you fish busy lakes or small lakes,happens at pierce a lot by my house.I got in a argument with a shore fisherman when I was fishing with a buddy,the guy casted over our boat as we were casting and moving through with the trolling motor.we weren`t that close to shore but he did it on purpose and I told him he`s lucky we didn`t get hooks in us or I would of kicked his nice try |
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| If he was working around the buoys to where you were, you technically cut in on him. No reason for him to be a JA though, it's just fishing. Casting, if they were casting out from shore and you motored through you cut in on them, regardless of how far away you were. Just a thought, again, it's just fishing and everyone always has their own perspective. Not worth being a JA, or wasting your energy on. |
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Location: Oswego, IL | I second the casting one, think that guy/girl is standing on shore casting probably able to fish 1/10000th of the lake, I don't find any reason why anyone on a boat would even get in casting distance at that point, you have the advantage on the lake being able to fish the entire thing. if someone form shore casted over your boat, IMO your not being polite, on the other hand if you were anchored and nobody was around, then a guy/girl came walking up and casting on you/over you from shore, then they clearly are invading your space. Though I highly doubt that was the case. |
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| I would say if someone was already fishing a set of buoys then you cut him off. Let's assume it was a reef or something that was marked with the buoys and he set up on the other side expecting to fish around the whole reef? He may have only made it half way around the reef and then you zoomed in and started fishing the other half that he hadn't gotten to yet.
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Location: The desert | muskiewhored - 6/14/2014 8:04 PM
I second the casting one, think that guy/girl is standing on shore casting probably able to fish 1/10000th of the lake, I don't find any reason why anyone on a boat would even get in casting distance at that point, you have the advantage on the lake being able to fish the entire thing. if someone form shore casted over your boat, IMO your not being polite, on the other hand if you were anchored and nobody was around, then a guy/girl came walking up and casting on you/over you from shore, then they clearly are invading your space. Though I highly doubt that was the case.
Agree. If it were me on shore and a boater came through where I was fishing, he'd be lucky if he didn't have hooks in him. That's just a dick move.
Now, if they walked up and started bombing casts over the boat, then there is reason to be upset, but I also doubt this was the case. |
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Location: Ames, Iowa | A shore fisherman probably isn't casting a jackpot 40 yards using muskie gear. My son working for the DNR this summer was slip bobbering for walleyes last night from a jetty at Brushy Creek when a boater pulled up and trolled thru the whole cove, around the jetty and down the other side. 15 feet away Mike said 'thanks alot', the guy mumbled something back, then his wife- who didn't seem to care about fishing anyway, proceeded to rail on him- "that kid's fishing there and he was here before us, how stupid are you". Smart lady. 700 acre lake. Give a shore fisherman his 1/4 acre. |
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| My friend and I were fishing one of the smaller Illinois musky lakes (trolling motor only) yesterday.
We were casting the deep weed edge, out of any shore fishermans casting range. Two different weed lines, two separate boats, cut us off and went right through the weed bed we were fishing l and into the shore fisherman.
Neither boat even stopped to fish the inside weed edge, just purposefully cut us off, drove through the weed edge and disturbed the shore fisherman. One went right in front of me as we were running the electric, about two rod lengths from our bow, too close to even fire casts at.
My buddy and I were speechless.
Edited by ChiefFan08 6/15/2014 10:51 AM
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Every good Musky lake has spots that consistently hold fish--that everyone knows about---thus they receive a lot of pressure from the weekend warriors and those staying at resorts.......
Its seems these ugly incidents always happen on these type spots....
I now try to stay away from any spot where someone is fishing ---unless a huge spot and you start in behind them.....
I don't know---perhaps this is the one thing that draws me to open water trolling----never have to fight for a spot or be frustrated or have the potential for conflict----
Also fishing predawn to sunup into very early morning seems to be a cure to having spots to yourself.....
But this is more a problem now that 20 years ago---lots more pressure on the lakes now.....and lots less common sense...... |
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Location: Minnesota. | I've had issues with more than one boat on Vermilion for said situations. It's like another poster said, it's a bit stupid/immature/ridiculous as I've taken fish behind boats too. But, it's that "Gotta get there first "thingy.
What I've done towards dark when spots are taken is slowly motor up and yell out "Mind if I follow behind? I won't push ya" as it's pretty quiet out.
Usually get a "Sure..." Otherwise issues can spoil the reason we're out in the first place. At all costs I'll try to not (won't!!) to argue w/a boat as I can get pretty pizzy if I let it get away from me and I'm a pretty scrawny old boy...
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Location: Northern Illinois | We were fishing Bone a few years back and had a guy jump right in front of us. We were ticked and my Dad held it together. He ended up saying the infamous "last cast" as we slung our baits out there. Sure enough a fish was on his orange spinnerbait. After a couple figure-8s the fish was hooked and netted. 45 1/2" fish and we were hooting and hollering even more because of the boat that just jumped in front of us. Not much better than catching a fish when others are being a pain in the @#$! |
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| We have all been cut off, this post isn't about sharing cut off stories. The question is do you what the original poster did was ok? He is asking a sincere question.
To me, it sounds like he shouldn't have fished the buoys if someone else was already fishing them. |
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| Yeah I suppose... I figured we were far enough away and they were going around and not through the bouyes. Just wondering about ethics that stand amongst Muskie fisherman... I will be more careful next time..... besides that spot no one fishes the bay much around the bouyes and I know there is a couple monsters there. Usually try not to fish by others.... some times the small lakes get super busy. |
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| All that is nothing to jet ski's and runabout morons! |
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Location: Ames, Iowa | It's like the Red Rocks or Pipe Island at Leech. Small spot. Gets hit by a new boat every 20 minutes during prime days. I like to shut everything down and blow thru. But I will stay off and wait, trolling the 9-11 ft flats for a while and then get closer for my blow when everyone's gone. I think most muskie guys take a good look and try to figure out if someone's using their electric motor or using the wind, then try to stay out of their way. Muskie guys usually aren't the problem. |
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| Lol yeah people with jet skis I also have had more issues with then muskie guys as far as in polite people |
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| other people on the lake while i'm trying to fish are the worst... |
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| Did you do something wrong? Yah. But not a major offense. But it was taken as one. Chalk it up to a learning experience.
As someone posted, when in doubt, simply ask.
My wife and I were slaying walleyes up north on a very well known lake once. 37 boats around us. She caught fish on 17 straight casts, I snuck back into her part of the boat and got 4 fish. And in that time, I only saw two other fish caught between all of the boats.
When we had our limit, a boat that had kept their distance waved at me and asked if they could take our spot. No problem at all. I even backed out with the trolling motor and let him move in quietly. And that is really what you get when you are curtious and ask politely. You usually get it back. I even showed the guy our jig size/color and how we were presenting it on the bottom. |
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| I probably would have let the other boat sit on the spot and moved to a new spot. Then if you come back and nobody is there, then fish it. I often come up on guys bass fishing many of the spots I muskie fish. Those guys are usually so close to shore, and they know I am muskie fishing, so we chat on the way by, no issues. I make it very clear I am not trying to mess with their bass fishing. Now if I was to throw on a small bass setup, and start casting near them, that would be an issue.
I seldom have issues with other muskie guys. Most of us are pretty level headed and not dicks that will antagonize or otherwise try to pizz another angler off.... Intentionally or otherwise. My problem is usually with the boaters and jet skiers. Knuckleheads drive within casting distance, or just outside. Some of the bigger boats that are doing the wakeboard thing are the worst. Create a huge wake, right next to you when they have plenty of lake with no one around. |
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| I fish metro lakes a lot and imho thats where you find the biggest idiots. The amount of kayakers and sup board people that have cut between me and shore while fishing a weedline is staggering. If theres a bit of wind and the sailboat folk are out you really gotta watch where you're going unless you're tucked hard into the shore. I had one pass about 2 feet from my boat the other day and the lady turned, shot me a smile and said Hello as though she had absolutely no idea that she was doing anything wrong. As was stated above, a muskie fisherman dropping on the same spot as you sucks, but its the non-fishing folks that seem to be the biggest part of the problem to me. |
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| Depending on the fishing pressure of the lake and size of bouy structure changes everything in my opinion. I fish the madison chain and there are a couple community bouy spots that always have boats on them. The only thing you can do is join the merry go round. Jump in behind someone or across, not in front. If it were in Canada then skip the bouys and go to your next spot. |
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Location: Minneapolis, MN | It's always best to head to a different spot if the one you were headed to has someone at it. Saturday I was out for the metro musky tournament and I was working around a submerged island that is maybe 20 ft across and as I'm working it another boat pulls up directly across from me and starts going at it...
But yeah, as previously said, the recreational boaters are worse then the fisherman. They have no problem going full speed right over the area you are fishing or cutting you off instead of waiting the extra 10 seconds for you to clear the area. I've almost fallen into the lake because I got caught off guard when the stupid boat pulling a wake border rolled by and 20 seconds later here come the waves. |
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| I put this post out and went to the boat landing and waited as a small group of guys put boat in talked nicely and waited..... another guy revved in is my husband was pulling boat around to put ours in.... tapping fingers and glaring as we waited... when we pulled boat to back into water he tried sliding up behind us to unload his boat before us! I put hand up and he stopped and glared... cripes JERK.... we are quick put boat in and before I had it moved to otherwise of dock he unclipped boat flew backwards hit breaks and boat rolled off his rollers in shallow water... risky trick.... rudely told his soon grab truck and left cutting in front of us in no wake zone on his way out.
I do not believe he was a muskie fisherman..... but WOW... really someone knowing you are next tries to cut in front of you at boat landing! Literally tried to pull behind us as we pulled up to back in... cripes... I was worried the guy would hit our boat with his truck.. |
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| Carry more ammo. |
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Location: Lake "y" cause lake"x" got over fished | newmuskyz - 6/17/2014 1:35 PM
Carry more ammo.
HA!! |
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Location: one foot over the line | I live 3 houses down from a busy landing on the weekends. I have always said that i could take my lawn chair and a case of beer down there and be thoroughly entertained for hours. This year i had to ask people not to park ON my front lawn to watch the air show. |
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| Ammo.... lol.... NO may be tempted to use it!
As far as boat landing, lawn chair, and beer.... well heard that one before. Vermilion opener for regular fishing is a regular show... seen some funny deals myself there! Guy asking my Mom to put his boat in, forget to take the straps off, oh the list goes on... |
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Location: Poynette WI. | There's a particular lake near me that i tend to fish more than others and has it's fair share of carp around. Needless to say it's a hot spot for the growing sport of bowfishing now. almost every time im night fishing it i have a run it with at least one carp boat. One they have the generators blasting and 10 spot lights blinding you, Two they should keep a larger distance from other boats due to all the lights they blind you with. On more than one occasion they have came between me and the shore which was only a cast away. I do not always have all my lights on and usually only boat out at night during the week, but when i see/hear them coming I'll turn my lights on and give them a couple flickers of a spot light, letting them I know where i am. They still come right over no matter where i'm at and I know first hand on this lake 3/4 of it are great for carp. The last time i had about enough of it and wanted to say something to the guys but i noticed they had a young kid in the boat so i decided against it. One a seperate lake while shore fishing this spring near a bridge, we had the same problem with the bowfishing, bright lights and generators running 30 yards off shore, plus they cant even shut the lights off when going under the bridge which is only 30yards wide, again they had a whole lake to fish with carp everywhere but felt the need to fish in front of all the shore fisherman all night, I'm still seeing spots from those lights 2 months later. NOt to mention they have to yell all night just to hear each other. I'm all for bowfishing but it seems like most have no common sense or Courtesy of others. |
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Location: Wisconsin | Theres something about northern wisconsin smaller lakes and pontoons. Every night at around 5, everyone seems to get in their pontoon and slowly do laps around the lake in between us and weed edges. They just wave and smile and keep on goin....... |
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Location: Hayward, WI | I haven't read through all the replies, but here goes. I have a hard time picturing exactly what happened, but sometimes things don't go as planned. If there's a boat on structure that I want to fish, I always make sure to get in behind them rather that move in front. Usually I start well behind them, maybe 100 yards or so. Sometimes though, a guy will be drifting, or turn his boat, and change direction after I see him, and start heading my way. Can't help that from happening.
The other thing - normally if I can make a normal cast and cast over somebody's boat or their trolled lines, I figure they are too close. If you had to cut in close due to shallow water, the other boat would hopefully understand that and be okay with it. The way some spots are laid out (like fishing bouys marking a channel), if a person is fishing there and they are in the path of where boats have to go, they should be prepared to have others pass close by.
In my mind the rules are fairly simple:
1.) In general if I can easily cast to a boat, we are way to close.
2.) Don't get in front of somebody's direction of travel.
There are more than that, but following those two rules should keep you pretty "bird free" on the water. |
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Location: Land of the Musky | LOL I setup once on Waconia on a reef about 300 yards away from a guy and he was trolling away from me. He saw me, threw his stuff down, flicked me off and took off. Some guys are just a-holes. Just don't be one of them  |
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Location: Ames, Iowa | Most folks who do all these things we're harping on have no idea they are doing wrong by others. There is an endless supply of those people. It's the ones who know what they're doing and just do not care for any other person's space or well being that is the most offensive. Something needs to be said to both, even though it's likely already been said to the latter group, but just as likely has no effect. I avoid em if I can. |
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| Well the boat that got mad changes directions from where we thought they were headed so.... sort of a miscalculation on my part they cut through the bouyes we thought they would go around... but alas next time I will go some where else if able it is a busy lake.
The guys casting close... pulled in after us and headed opposite way towards us and we had to move closer too them due to depth of water....
Just trying to make sure I am polite... I don't always pull behind someone if a lot of structure but after post I will certainly do so know even if big hump to work |
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Location: Greenfield, WI | I was fishing on Wabigoon outside of Dryden Ontario. It is a large lake and much of the time fishing pressure is nearly nonexistent when compared to Pewaukee. We had not seen another boat or even heard another boat in our first two or three hours. Out of nowhere a small Lund boat with a couple of guys pull around the island where we were fishing and pulled to about 30' ahead of our drift and started back trolling!? My partner screamed at them, "What the F are you doing???" Their response was, "Oh, its ok we are in a walleye tournament." What?
The next two casts from my partner bounced off their hull. They talked between themselves and decided that they should fish somewhere else.......
That set a new standard for idiots in a boat lacking any sort of boating ethics! |
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Location: The desert | Must be in the water up there, SVL.
Pulled up to a small spot, maybe 100 yards max. Two camp boats come in behind us, as we are starting to work the weeds. They pull in front of us and set up to fish muskies. They even waved as they went by! We powered out of there. Ridiculous! 50,000 acres of water to fish and they set up a cast length from us? |
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Location: Elk River, Minnesota | Doesn't matter what sport, hobby, object, tool, etc... If muskie fishing could be made idiot proof, somebody is going to make a better idiot.
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Location: minocqua, wi. | it was the fancy boat that attracted them pointer … try fishing out of a dirty boat that has no flakes and gelcoat. |
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Location: Chisholm, MN | Maybe I'm a spot snob but I don't believe in fishing the same spot as another person at all, unless it's a huge community spot. I will never pull up to someone on a reef unless it's a gigantic spot like Garrison reef or something. |
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Location: minocqua, wi. | ^ x2 |
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| Long story short. Trolling with four lines out, max. 50ft. back, clearly could be seen that trolling was in progress. Pleasure boater thought it was funny to get that close to overrun our lines....wasn't funny to him when he came back for more and wound up the old braid I drifted back on a red and white bobber and later saw he was broke down. Years ago I would of got irrate and got in trouble. Now I still tell the story and laugh about it. |
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Location: The desert | jonnysled - 7/3/2014 1:39 PM
it was the fancy boat that attracted them pointer … try fishing out of a dirty boat that has no flakes and gelcoat.
Following us around this week would be a poor decision, unless you like looking at fish giving you the middle finger. |
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Location: Minnesota. | Just look at the number of "views" against the number of replies to this topic and it might tell you just how important this is to most of us.
I hope a lot of "those guys" (yeah, you...! - me included here!!) take from this and there's just a little bit less rudeness because of it. I've learned a little although I really try to be a "sport" out there.
I'll remember Kirby B.'s post above. Might even get me onto a new spot that I'd not have tried before. But it'll be trying if all the spots are occupied and it's near dark. Good luck out there this season. |
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Location: Mauston, Wisconsin | x 4 What Kirby said......... I seek out lonely spots. When or if someone moves in, I move out. Try to keep a respectable distance from others, but there are times when it doesn't really matter too.....like if I've just moved a big fish, then I don't move, its just fishing. I'm not letting someone in another boat ruin my day. But, I frequently wonder if they were born stupid or they grew up that way!
Have fun!
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| Out on the water trolling weather is pretty rough for casting. I TRY to have ethics and am trying to learn to have better ethics in the mean time I am getting times three pay back if I was a jerk when I moved into that spot lol
TICKED OFF! I just caught a #*^@ boat! Yes a freaking boat.... some pleasure guys playing on a raft with there kids at a super spend resort...... went right behind us over our lines and buzz went my line.......... pulling out fast.... luckily he was parking at the dock ad when I let my line go it came loose.... he was totally unaware and buzzed off running his small children over a sunken island four feet deep! *gritting teeth* I SUPPOSE I should have warned him but afraid to with the anger burning in me! |
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| normally here theres tons of watwe.
fast forward to fall rivermouths its a zoo. trolling runs clogged with casters parked. this all comes with internet hero,s . then the problems start . dawg chuckers throwin trying to catch boats from shore. in that period I fish weekdays or areas with no one around.
its supposed to be fun... at least here in Ontario the jet skiers were corralled and 5mph speed limit zones stop the tuna boats from swamping guys. |
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Fishing/Boating Ethics help!