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Location: Northwest Chicago Burbs | Ok, yes I saw pics on fb, just as I see them here from time to time...of people holding muskies, sturgeon, bass, walleyes that are just straight up TINY. That kind of bugs me. We yell and scream about c&r, size limits, fish handling...but then people are taking way undersized fish out of the water, unhooking them, and taking pics.
This bugs me. ALOT.
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| Not crazy , maybe ahead of current normal. I'm old and cranky at times and not a fan of seeing pictures of EVERY SINGLE muskie guys catch. Guides I understand ,a kids first , anyone's first or biggest but after catching a few dozen why bother with pics of the 30 inchers ? |
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Location: Eastern Ontario | If it's some ones first or a kids go for it. I've played this game for a long time and fish big fish water so I don't need any more pictures of 40 inch fish. That being said I took some pictures of small fish last year while checking out camera placement for timer shots in a new to me boat I fish alone a lot of the time. I would rather new comers learn fish handling and hone their photography skills on small rather than large fish. |
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Location: Lake St.Clair | Im the same way if its under 40" I keep em in the the water and unhook without net unless needed.
theres no sense anymore when I first started out I took pics of alot of smaller fish but now i dont. I can understand peoples first fish and yadda yadda |
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| those first 20 are exciting, no matter what size. After those, I get your point
That said, I'll take a pic of every Shoepack muskie I get over 30". Those things are gorgeous |
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Location: Maplewood, MN | I've only personally boated 5 muskies. So far a pic for everyone. Once I hit 10 I probably won't take pics unless its a girthy momma or 45" +. But then again all but one are over 40". I have a buddy who takes a pic of everything and drives me nuts. Nobody cares if you catch 20 30"-37" muskies… I matured very fast with smallies on mille lacs. I was taking pics of all fish over 3.5 lbs and netting them… After being spoiled there, I try to only net and take pics of only 4.5lb+. I hope to be cocky enough someday to only want pics of 50"+ muskies, but then again I'm dreaming. |
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Location: oswego, il | As long as the fish are handled properly like any other caught, wgaf? |
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| After I spent tons of money on boat and tackle I would want a picture to show for. |
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Location: Northern Illinois | Tiny is in the eye of the beholder. Who are we to judge? Yes you are
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| I take pics of every single one I catch, even the 18 inchers, and don't feel bad about it at all. Every Muskie is fun to me, and pics get me thru the winter. If anything, the argument should be against taking pics of bigger fish which are more prone to damage from being handled improperly. To each his own, as long as the fish is handled properly, is what I say. |
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| Well good for the guy who only takes pictures of big ones. Myself included. However the smaller the fish the easier the release so who really cares? If you water released 50" fish and took pictures of 30" you would be doing the fishery more justice than taking pictures of just big ones. |
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| Keep in mind most photos are take with a phone now days. Long gone are the days of digging a camera out of storage, taking it out of the case, warming it up and screaming instructions to your partner. Oh no the lens cap! The photo is taken by the guy who didn`t catch it with his rite handy phone he is familiar with. The photo is then texted or emailed to the catcher. Takes all of a few seconds. |
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| I agree the advancement of technology has made it so easy it can all be done in the matter of 5 seconds. I mean really who doesn't have a smartphone these days cameras are a thing of the past. |
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Location: Sawyer County, WI | Small fish photos are OK, but only if they're taken during the Apocolypse. 
Slamr - 6/12/2014 5:02 PM
Ok, yes I saw pics on fb, just as I see them here from time to time...of people holding muskies, sturgeon, bass, walleyes that are just straight up TINY. That kind of bugs me. We yell and scream about c&r, size limits, fish handling...but then people are taking way undersized fish out of the water, unhooking them, and taking pics.
This bugs me. ALOT.
Am I crazy here? |
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Location: Detroit River | Why should it matter what size fish it is? Taking any size fish out of the water for a picture can still yield the same results. I took this one because it was the very first musky that I ever landed plus I liked the pattern on it. I had been casting with my musky gear all morning & got a little wore out so I switch to casting for smallmouth & caught this little guy.
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Location: The desert | dfkiii - 6/12/2014 8:24 PM
Small fish photos are OK, but only if they're taken during the Apocolypse.
Slamr - 6/12/2014 5:02 PM
Ok, yes I saw pics on fb, just as I see them here from time to time...of people holding muskies, sturgeon, bass, walleyes that are just straight up TINY. That kind of bugs me. We yell and scream about c&r, size limits, fish handling...but then people are taking way undersized fish out of the water, unhooking them, and taking pics.
This bugs me. ALOT.
Am I crazy here?
I laughed. |
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Location: NE PA | yea, i think its over the top. this isn't like taking a pic of every bluegill you caught. a lot of time and effort goes into each fish caught regardless of size. i have skipped out on pics of fish that were hooked hard in favor of getting it back in the water, but just because a fish isn't huge doesnt mean it cant get it's pic taken. i skipped taking a pic of my personal best for this very reason. If anything, i think a smaller fish is the one you would want to take a pic of if you are purely concerned with the fish's well being. small fish are def more resilient.
the below pics are all tiny fish, but all moments i remember because of the pics.
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Tiny fish picture.
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Location: Tomahawk, WI | You are absolutely crazy on this one. There is nothing wrong with taking a picture of any fish no matter what the size!!! If the fish is handled with care and released it's just fine. I don't know how long you have been at this game, but you should know that the only record we used to have, was the fish on a stringer after we clubbed it over the head. Taking a picture and releasing is soooooo much better. I don't think we should be chastising people for taking a picture and releasing the fish.
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Location: Eastern Ontario | If you catch many fish don't expect me to sit and look at every 34 inch fish you ever caught. Cameras take better pictures than phones IMHO. |
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| no reason for small pics if you have been there before. just another chance to tear a gill or even cut yourself. |
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| sworrall - 6/13/2014 12:35 AM
Tiny fish picture. Uh oh, not only will we have controversy about tiny fish pictures, but now vertical holds! 
#SARC |
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| ToddM - 6/12/2014 7:13 PM
As long as the fish are handled properly like any other caught, wgaf?
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Location: Smith Creek | I do believe you're crazy, but for different reasons entirely.
I consider the source. If you're an 11 year old girl, posting a pic of a little fish is OK. If you're a guide or seasoned angler then I agree, it's kind of dumb, unless the pics are posted in jest.
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Location: Mauston, Wisconsin | Definitely crazy! I saw the same pic's this morning posted by a well known individual. I took it for what it was, interesting.... keep in mind those stupid little fish bit a hook, they deserved to have the moment documented. LOL
Have fun!
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Location: Hayward, WI | Who cares? Most likely had to handle the fish to unhook it anyway. If you want a picture have a buddy be ready with the camera to snap one quick. The fish is out of the water 2 seconds longer. Small fish usually take right off anyway. If I'm alone and the fish has to sit in the net and wait for me to get a camera out and setup (still only takes seconds while the fish is resting), I'll let the smaller fish go without a picture.
Most of the time though, what is it going to hurt?
I thought winter was over? |
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Location: Otsego, MN | Practice a quick photo and safe release with the little ones so that when the big girls are ready for a photo there is no mishandling...
I see nothing wrong with a picture of a smaller fish as long as the water temps aren't extreme, the fish isn't overly exhausted and the fish is well taken care of. Sometimes the memories of the small fish live for ever...
I personally take a picture of all small fish while in the net or over the side of the boat and only measure or bring a fish into the boat if its for league or over 40" but each individual can decide if that magic number is larger or smaller. |
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Location: Northwest Chicago Burbs | Please allow me to retort (while acknowledging I am probably crazy in this way and others): so often we as muskie anglers take the care and treatment of captured muskies to a a nearly fanatical place. We advocate for water releases, raising money for stocking, raising size limits to allow for more bigger fish, appropriate holds, not fishing when the water is above a certain temperature...but then when we are on the water, if we catch it, we should photograph it. Now this portion of my argument is going to sound a bit peta-ish, but it's the truth: hooking fish is bad, yanking hooks out of their faces is bad, and holding fish out of the water where they can't breath is also bad.
I fully understand the "first fish, unusual fish, fish with wife, fish with mom, fish on a new body of water, fish with kids" pics, I really do. I also understand the feeling that we spend so much time, so much money to pursue these fish so therefore we can reward ourselves with a pic.
BUT, the more we stress fish, the higher the chances for delayed mortality. AND, if we're truly committed to more and bigger fish, shouldnt we be doing everything we can to minimize delayed mortality on the fish that will hopefully become those more and bigger fish? |
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Location: Northwest Chicago Burbs | Jeff78 - 6/13/2014 9:37 AM
It looked to me like you were still trying to cut down the apocalypse fish guy.
Who cares if people take pics of tiny fish???
I hardly take pics of any of my fish any more.
NOT actually thinking of the apocalypse fish guy at all here.
And I did ask if I was crazy, invited the wrath of the masses.
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Location: Alsip, IL | Half the reason I fish is to get a good picture of a pretty fish. Some of the smaller ones have the best color patterns. As long as anglers use the proper equipment and a net big enough to allow the fish to oxygenate I'm fine with it. I know probably the first 100 I landed I took a pic of every one. 20 inches to 48. I'm all for CPR. |
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| I honestly thought you were just trolling with this thread lol. I get your reasoning but the truest most fanatical concern for the fish would not be to avoid taking a picture but to leave them alone entirely instead of ramming hooks through their beaks. Assuming a person lands them quickly and safely handles them in the water... picking them up for a QUICK 10 second out of water photo shouldn't do much if any additional harm. Now if people are over handling fish and having them out of the water a long time then AGREED, big problem.
I don't think there's a right or wrong answer to what fish size deserves a picture (depending on the angler) but I feel if the fish is handled correctly it isn't going to matter either way.
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Location: The desert | Slamr - 6/13/2014 8:27 AM
Please allow me to retort (while acknowledging I am probably crazy in this way and others): so often we as muskie anglers take the care and treatment of captured muskies to a a nearly fanatical place. We advocate for water releases, raising money for stocking, raising size limits to allow for more bigger fish, appropriate holds, not fishing when the water is above a certain temperature...but then when we are on the water, if we catch it, we should photograph it. Now this portion of my argument is going to sound a bit peta-ish, but it's the truth: hooking fish is bad, yanking hooks out of their faces is bad, and holding fish out of the water where they can't breath is also bad.
I fully understand the "first fish, unusual fish, fish with wife, fish with mom, fish on a new body of water, fish with kids" pics, I really do. I also understand the feeling that we spend so much time, so much money to pursue these fish so therefore we can reward ourselves with a pic.
BUT, the more we stress fish, the higher the chances for delayed mortality. AND, if we're truly committed to more and bigger fish, shouldnt we be doing everything we can to minimize delayed mortality on the fish that will hopefully become those more and bigger fish?
Are muskies declining because of pictures of small fish?
If not, then your idea is unfounded and anal retentive. We tout the effectiveness of C&R, or CPR. The P standing for photo. This suggests that cameras have been used to document catches of fish of all sizes for years with little detriment to musky populations. Cameras today are faster, take better pictures, and allow you to view to ensure a good picture (rather than taking multiple film pictures, lengthening the out of water time) which makes the photograph experience very short.
Yes, I'm bored. Yes, your stance is crazy. Though the apocalypse fish reference was great. |
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| Yup I'm still trying to find out where he caught that apocalypse monster at. |
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| Hate it. If it is someones first, ok. If you have been there, act like it. They don't come out of the water.
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| Probably is all relative, I fished in places where they "shake off" anything under 48" or so. So I guess tiny is geographic:) |
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| I don`t think most people who have caught ton of big fish really take many pictures of small ones. Also I look at it different because all our waters are non native and stocked. They fish are put there for us to enjoy anyway. |
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Location: Metro, MN | ToddM - 6/12/2014 6:13 PM
As long as the fish are handled properly like any other caught, wgaf?
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Captain,
Those are Pike
I whacked them on the head and filleted them. The hold doesn't matter much then...right?
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Location: minocqua, wi. | Fib n a Rat Pics are my favorites ... |
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Location: Dane Country | Yes, you are crazy. To each their own. You know what bugs me. All the traffic these people from Il. creates coming up here every weekend from Il. Now thats annoying
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Location: Lake Tomahawk, WI | ToddM - 6/12/2014 6:13 PM
As long as the fish are handled properly like any other caught, wgaf?
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| sworrall - 6/13/2014 9:47 PM
Captain,
Those are Pike
I whacked them on the head and filleted them. The hold doesn't matter much then...right?
you missed my Sarc in my post. I was joking. |
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| I go by how healthy the fish is and time how long out of the water.... no picture fast enough fish goes in the water.... if fish is super tired or beat up (haven't run into) I would skip picture. I don't mind people taking pictures of any size as long as handled carefully and quickly.
I do try to convince people to do horizontal holds. Last small one I had one I quickly got off and got yelled by someone else for dissing smaller fish catches. I guess I forgot boat buddies hadn't seen many.
The next 34 incher I caught I brought in boat... unhooked at side.... but she flopped..... and had verticle hold for a second... I scowled but she calmed down and I rushed her into the water. Company still shock head BUT it was an opportunity to explain and fish was healthy and swam off beautifully... still always worry about dropping one... I did have her pointed to drop in the water.
Holds horizontal, try to keep them in the water as much as possible.... when taking pics support full body, hold under jaw, never ever touch their gills so slide hand firmly outside jaw, and hold the fish so if flops you can drop it in the water rather then in the boat....
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| 10 seconds out of the water for a picture? WOW I think that is pretty ummmmm hard to do... I always say less then a minute! |
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Location: Ontario, Canada | Don't be a fish snob! Not everyone has boated hundreds of big fish! Its a natural progession to take less pics as you catch more and bigger fish. That being said, if they are handled well and released quickly Its each anglers business if he wants a pic! |
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| sworrall - 6/14/2014 9:48 AM
So was I. :) |
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| I think it depends on the angler. Not all of us are pros, fish every day and know where they are at all times or have the best lakes to catch fish on. Some people fish their entire lives for muskies and never catch a big one if they even get one at all. So I say any fish that is important to you is pic worthy. Little muskies may not be cool to some of you but they sure are to most of us. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Tinier fish picture, with even tinier fish pictures inside the tiny picture.
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| Haha! Steve keep it up and you might get banned for posting those tiny pics. |
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Location: Contrarian Island | I get your point Slamr but most experienced guys handle all muskies with respect, I'd venture to say most of the guys I fish with even go to extreme handling the little ones, ie, not netting them, and being ultra careful getting the hooks out as their small size they are more vulnerable....but... all muskies are fun... even the little ones... now I don't take pics of too many small ones unless it's for league or we are just goofing around..but for the guys that do, it doesn't bother me as long as they are handling them right...a quick pic isn't going to hurt... even the little ones are cute!
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| I see your point. How many pictures of 35"ers do you need? At the same time, I think we're doing more damage hoisting up bigger heaver fish for pictures after a long fight than we are taking pictures of the small ones. How many in the 30" to 40" size range have you caught that are gone about the same time their belly touches the water vs the ones over 45" that take quite a while to revive? |
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Location: oswego, il | One things for sure we need more musky police! Second that, we need more musky vigilantes.
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Location: Grinnell, Iowa | You post a picture of a musky on any forum and more than likely it's going to get ripped apart for something. It's too small, it's not as big as you claim, you're hold isn't right, you're sticking your arms out while posing for the pic, blah blah blah, etc etc etc. I swear a lot of guys on here must fish angry all the time being that worried about what everyone else is doing. You take the fun right out of the sport. Enjoy your time on the water, enjoy the moment of the catch, enjoy the stories you tell later. And if that means whiping out a photo of a 13 incher that slammed your bait like he thought he was a 43 incher to go along with your story then so what. I will look at your picture and listen to your story everytime. That is just as much a part of our sport as the CPR is. |
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| You need to take up Tarpon fishing cause even though you land them....good luck on getting good pics. I've got several to my name and all horrible pics. I've learned a long time ago...don't sweat the small stuff. It's a fish...what might be meaningless to one might mean the world to them. |
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Location: In a shack in the woods | Personally I don't take pics of small fish but if it's a special fish for someone go for it. |
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| I do to take pics of fish that are not real big but that's just me. I usually have it released before my buddy can get his phone ready. But it does not bOther me at all if other people take pics of small fish that are handled properly. |
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Location: oswego, il | How do people feel about small fish pics but you take the lure you caught it on and hang it in its jaw! Whoah! Controversy! |
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Location: Oconto Falls, WI | ToddM - 6/12/2014 6:13 PM
As long as the fish are handled properly like any other caught, wgaf?
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| Zib - 6/12/2014 10:39 PM
Why should it matter what size fish it is? Taking any size fish out of the water for a picture can still yield the same results. I took this one because it was the very first musky that I ever landed plus I liked the pattern on it. I had been casting with my musky gear all morning & got a little wore out so I switch to casting for smallmouth & caught this little guy.
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