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| I wanted to see if anyone could compare the Saltist 20 to the Tranx HG. I have the Saltist 20 and can throw it all day burning 10s with no problem but it has it's drawbacks. I hate not having auto engage and casting isn't the best especially into the wind.
I am thinking about getting a Tranx but I am not sure what to expect the differences to be. How well does the Tranx HG handle double 10s? I know the Tranx PG is probably better suited for 10s but I don't care for the 30" per turn retrieve.
I first had a 400 TE and I found that to be exhausting for 10s so I bought the Saltist. Is the Tranx better than that? |
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| Unless all you do is burn, I'd try to throw a PG for a few hours before you write it off. The sheer power of that thing can be mesmerizing. I always find myself thinking my dbl10 is fouled because it comes in so easy.
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Location: Minnesota | tolle141 - 5/18/2014 2:00 PM
Unless all you do is burn, I'd try to throw a PG for a few hours before you write it off. The sheer power of that thing can be mesmerizing. I always find myself thinking my dbl10 is fouled because it comes in so easy.
PG = all day comfort
HG = drag racing
X2 I have the PG and the HG . The PG has all the speed you need I can blow the 10s out of the water if I want and its comfortable to do it. |
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| muskyhunter47 - 5/18/2014 3:10 PM
tolle141 - 5/18/2014 2:00 PM
Unless all you do is burn, I'd try to throw a PG for a few hours before you write it off. The sheer power of that thing can be mesmerizing. I always find myself thinking my dbl10 is fouled because it comes in so easy.
PG = all day comfort
HG = drag racing
X2 I have the PG and the HG . The PG has all the speed you need I can blow the 10s out of the water if I want and its comfortable to do it.
Exactly. This talk of needing the HG over the PG is quite perplexing to me. I got the PG last year and had to slow down as the Dbl 10's were blowing out of the water. Like many things in Musky Fishing, I suspect there are just a few guys who want to pump their chests and be macho "I don't need a PG".
I guess you could bury a 10 foot rod in the water and crank a HG with Dbl 10s to keep em from blowing out...but whats the point... |
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Location: Aurora | I talked to Captain Obvious about this and he recommended trying a Tranx before you buy one.
Also, he didn't think it was necessary to "bury" your rod in the water but that "the point" is to generate more speed if that's what it takes to trigger more fish. Apparently, he did some analysis and came to the conclusion that the HG is capable of retrieving faster than the PG. |
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| I put my rod tip down and have no issues of blowing out 10's or 13's while burning with the hg. |
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Exactly. This talk of needing the HG over the PG is quite perplexing to me. I got the PG last year and had to slow down as the Dbl 10's were blowing out of the water. Like many things in Musky Fishing, I suspect there are just a few guys who want to pump their chests and be macho "I don't need a PG"...
I realize this thread is about 10s, and I think your posts was talking about tranx for 10s, but I would like to show you another side of the HG and why some may feel its better for 10s.
Since owning a Tranx HG I have removed every other casting combo from my boat, I fish one rod and reel for everything. The HG excels is some areas and may lack in some area when comparing to other more specific presentation combos. I found my perfect combo for how I fish, thinking back to last season I cant remember a time when I threw a bucktail, let alone a 10s (they are not my cup of tea).
I am sure there are others out there that are similar to me and do not carry several setups (its cheaper to buy one top shelf combo than 2 mid level combos, but anyway) So if all you have is a HG and use it for everything and throw 10s in your mind that is a great reel for 10s. If someone feels a reel is a great do everything reel then they will say that, just realize where they are coming from
Just a quick look at my perspective, there isn't a defined clear correct or incorrect. |
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Location: Minneapolis, MN | I fished a Saltist 20 last year and this year I upgraded to a Tranx PG. Make sure you understand the difference in size between the reels. While the Saltist is big, it’s not as big as the Tranx. |
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Location: Central Minnesota | Train yourself to hold the foregrip and it won't matter the size of the reel. I love my Tranx HG. I fished with the Saltist 30 LW for 2 seasons and moved to the Tranx. The Tranx is in a whole new class. Really excels ripping in pounders and monster dussas. |
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| Thank you all for the replies. The lake I fish is shallow weeds and speed is definitely a key. I may look into the PG but I don't want to exhaust myself when I do need speed. I threw the 400 TE and it was just exhausting.
I figured with the HG you could just slow down the retrieve. How would the HG compare to the Saltist. Whatever I pick I don't want to tire myself out throwing buck tails. I have to also admit that the Saltist felt like throwing a Mepps to me. |
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| Sidejack - 5/18/2014 5:59 PM
I talked to Captain Obvious about this and he recommended trying a Tranx before you buy one.
Also, he didn't think it was necessary to "bury" your rod in the water but that "the point" is to generate more speed if that's what it takes to trigger more fish. Apparently, he did some analysis and came to the conclusion that the HG is capable of retrieving faster than the PG.
No doubt speed can be a trigger. What I fail to understand is how can you go "faster" than blowing the lure out of the water? Like I said, I found myself having to slow down even with the PG to keep some 2x10 buck tails from blowing out of the water. |
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| anzomcik - 5/18/2014 8:17 PM
Exactly. This talk of needing the HG over the PG is quite perplexing to me. I got the PG last year and had to slow down as the Dbl 10's were blowing out of the water. Like many things in Musky Fishing, I suspect there are just a few guys who want to pump their chests and be macho "I don't need a PG"...
I realize this thread is about 10s, and I think your posts was talking about tranx for 10s, but I would like to show you another side of the HG and why some may feel its better for 10s.
Since owning a Tranx HG I have removed every other casting combo from my boat, I fish one rod and reel for everything. The HG excels is some areas and may lack in some area when comparing to other more specific presentation combos. I found my perfect combo for how I fish, thinking back to last season I cant remember a time when I threw a bucktail, let alone a 10s (they are not my cup of tea ).
I am sure there are others out there that are similar to me and do not carry several setups (its cheaper to buy one top shelf combo than 2 mid level combos, but anyway ) So if all you have is a HG and use it for everything and throw 10s in your mind that is a great reel for 10s. If someone feels a reel is a great do everything reel then they will say that, just realize where they are coming from
Just a quick look at my perspective, there isn't a defined clear correct or incorrect.
Fair point. If you are going to carry one, and throw a lot of rubber, then I could see going with a HG since you could theoretically slow way down with Dbl 10s. Thus, one tool could cover both dependent upon how you fish. |
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Location: Contrarian Island | simply use heavier 10s likes dadsons or thick bladed gerrys girls...problem solved. |
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| BNelson - 5/20/2014 9:04 AM
simply use heavier 10s likes dadsons or thick bladed gerrys girls...problem solved.
I'm already using the heavier Spanky Baits.  |
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| Are you reeling as soon as the bait touches water? When you cast a blades, put your thumb on the spool right before the bait hits the water so the blades will rotate into the water then pause then reel. |
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Location: Contrarian Island | wow, if you can blow those out you are Popeye!  |
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| BNelson - 5/20/2014 10:57 AM
wow, if you can blow those out you are Popeye! :-)
Really? Maybe I was just used to pulling them with my old Calcutta 400 where i had to reel like h*ll. Last year was my first year with the Tranx PG. Maybe they sent me a HG under the guise of a PG. To be fair, I find some of the baits (even though they are technically the same with the same parts) easier to blow out than others. Some of them pull harder and just have more lift. Not sure what the deal is with that. Either way, I feel like with the Tranx PG I can cover every possible level of speed from slow rolling to basically blowing them out...and everything in between. |
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| Lots of rubber, occaisional burning 10's and lower = HG
Big blades (10 and up) are your main game = PG
If you need to burn all the time, I recommend an HG, pain killers, and a bag of meth
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Location: Western PA | Less fatigue on my left hand (im a righty) with the saltist over the tranx. I dont like holding the fore grip cranking in blades. The new H-C models (black) auto engage. Think they fixed a few other small things and gave it some more drag over your H-A model (silver/gold). 185 on ebay. |
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| I have used both ... the older Saltest model and Tranx HG. I can burn big bucktails all day with little fatigue with the Tranx. Don't overlook the internal brake controls with Tranx versus no brake control with the Saltist. Allows the Tranx to be more versatile and also helps to adjust in real windy conditions. I have found the casting performance of Tranx to be significantly better than the Saltiest. |
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Location: Contrarian Island | honestly if you can constantly blow out baits like Dadson bullets you are really screaming them...in fact I actually don't quite believe it as I use an HG and throw Bullets a lot w it and it's friggin hard to blow them out on a constant basis... but your forearms must be huge! ha
I prefer the HG for blades tho...had a PG...sold it..
both definitely work tho and are faster than standard reels like TE's etc. |
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| I have both PG and HG as well as a Saltist. PG is my preferred reel for big blades hands down. The HG is great for burning blades, but the PG is plenty fast in most situations. I love the HG for big rubber and gliders/ jerkbaits. The saltist is on my trolling/ crankbait setup now. Also added a Lexa 400 (6.3) to the mix this year that will be great for topwater and smaller blades as well...I hope. |
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| BNelson - 5/21/2014 10:11 AM
honestly if you can constantly blow out baits like Dadson bullets you are really screaming them...in fact I actually don't quite believe it as I use an HG and throw Bullets a lot w it and it's friggin hard to blow them out on a constant basis... but your forearms must be huge! ha
I prefer the HG for blades tho...had a PG...sold it..
both definitely work tho and are faster than standard reels like TE's etc.
Spanky Baits, but yeah, you can believe what you want. I am not popeye ether. I guess I am a little intense. Granted, fishing out of the back I am NOT tossing blades all day, but I reel like a "mo-fo" when I do throw them. Nobody can talk to me about speed, cause like I said if i go any faster I'd be blowing them out. And, yes, I have witnesses. Yes, I have had 50"+ Muskies in Canada screaming in after a blade bait just under the surface (almost bulging), and yes, I have watched them go around in a super fast figure 8 with the tinsel "tickling" their nose...but not open their mouth. And I can give you a reference to a guide at Andy Myers who witnessed this (at the time it was on a Calcutta 400, not even a Tranx PG!!!).
Look, there is no doubt in my mind that speed kills, especially as over the last 2-3 years I have no doubt these fish just aren't eating the Dbl-10s like they used to. I just disagree one needs a Tranx HG to be able to generate the speed needed to trigger conditioned fish. Rather, I think its not necessarily ABSOLUTE speed that kills, but rather the CHANGE in speed that triggers the strike. This is what I have seen fishing Cowgirls, Spanky Baits, and Gerry's Girls on Eagle Lake, Ontario since the popularization of big flashabou bucks in 2006. |
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| D@mnit BNelson...now you got me looking at Dadson Bullets. |
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Location: Contrarian Island | lol, they don't work don't throw them! |
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| I thought the Saltist was amazing, and it was/is, until I bought a Shimano LJV. To compare those two is just not even fair. I understand that is not your comparison.
Even before I bought the LJV, for me, the Saltist was definitely not a "burn Double 10s all day" reel. If you can actually do this with a Saltist, you're a better man than me. Its a great reel. Truly a machine. Well built, and tough. And the thing has an unmatched drag poundage. An eye-crosser. But it is not an easy reel to fish with, especially for 10s. And not even in the same category of smoothness or ease, IMHO, anyway as a Tranx or an LJV. Also not ideal for casting to shallow weeds, shorelines or snaggy structure when you need the reel to engage immediately.
For me, the Tranx is fine. It combines speed an ease. Hefty price, though.
Waiting for the next version of the LJV to come out.....as the 400d, despite the rave reviews, and comparisons, is definitely no LJV.
Of the two discussed here, the Tranx, to me, is the better reel for 10s. Hands down.
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