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| Hello
Im looking for the perfect rod to cast baits like a pounder. Im have a St. Croix Big Dawg in use. That rod is perfect for baits like the Magnum Bull Dawg. But not strong enough to cast a day long bigger baits.
I mate of mine had a Musky Innivation rod in use, but I dont like the kind of blank that the use for the MI rods. It feels to slow for me.
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Location: Green Bay, Titletown, WI | I suggest you perform a search. This topic has been discussed at great length. |
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Location: Minneapolis, MN | If you have a big dawg and don't think it works for pounders, then either your doing something wrong or you are confused. I used a big dawg for 3 days straight last fall throwing nothing but pounder dawgs and monster medussas and I had absolutely no issues with the way it performed.
I assume by too slow you are referring to the action. So that probably also weeds out Tackle Industry blanks as they are medium fast, which what a lot of guys use around here. I'm sure people will eventually come along and tell you to get a XH or XXH Predator from Thorne Bros. |
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| I have owned most of the premium rods to throw pounders with. 3 years ago I changed over to tackle industries. You will love these rods, I use the 9' XXH exclusively for mag dawgs and pounders. regardless of price, these are some of the best rods I've ever used. |
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| I think the TI XXH is better than the big Dawg cause it loads up deeper into the blank making the casting easier and the bait feel a little lighter. But that's just me. |
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Location: St.John, Indiana | As was said in prior threads, the Big Dog is not a true pounder rod. I have one and used it many times for throwing big (Pounder+) rubber and it will not do the job correctly. IMO the MI Mark L. 4x -8'3"(12-50oz)pounder rod is the rod for the job. I have not used TI xxh 9' rod so I cannot comment on its performance.
This year I added the MI 9' (8-40oz)monster Hvy rod to the rotation and hope it does as good of a job as the 8'3". I don't agree with it being slow? As these rods have the backbone to toss and rip Hvy rubber all day long.
There is allot of info as was said above ,do the search and find the rod that fits your style.
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| @dami0101:
I dont mean that the BigDawg ist not powerfull enough. I can throw pounders with that rod, but it feels not perfect for me.
Had anyone try the XXH Assault Stick from Chaos Tackle? |
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Location: Minnesota | It comes down to how much you want to spend. I bought a TI rod a few years ago did not like how it loaded so i bought a predator XXH 9'8" put a Tranx HG great pounder rod . Hard to beat it |
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| I really like the Musky Innovations 9' Monster heavy Pro series rated 8-40oz for all my large baits. Customers that tried them have bought a lot of them from me.
Jeff Hanson
madisonmuskyguide.com |
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| Tackle industries rods are way to soft for pounders. If you want a straight pounder and big crank rod go with the lijewski or got the tamer xxh rod. The predetor is nice but not much better then a big dawg. Also to consider is the new assault stick rod. For the price the assault stick or tooth tamer is the way to go. I've been through all rods and wasted a lot of money for a good pounder rod. The musky innovTions are nice but the butts are too short. |
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| Everyone's idea of perfect is different.
I disagree that the TI XXH is too soft!!!??? It has plenty of backbone but yes it flexes deeper into the blank than the big dawg.
But someone else will say super stiff is the way to go. The TI rod is a great price for a great rod IMO. I have a legend, a Pete maina basspro and a premier - I like them all and would not trade one of them - they range in price from $70-250. |
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| TI 9' XXH is a superb pounder rod. I suspect esox 4130 has never used one. Lots of great options mentioned just depends what type of rod action you prefer. |
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Location: WI | I have a St Croix xxxh fast rod with a lure rating of 30oz. I have had a much better hook up rate with this rod and attribute that to being stiff enough to move the rubber from the mouth of fish and burying hooks. |
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Location: Rhinelander | I own a St Croix Big Dawg and xxxh, Lijewski's 8'-3" and tried the TI rods.
Hands down the Lijewski 8'-3" for me. Mark prefers the 7'-9" and I've thrown his quite a bit but still prefer the 8'-3".
I throw pounders a lot, along with monster medusas and for me the Big Dawgs cork handle is too short and doesn't load as well as the Lijewski.
The triple x loads ok and casts fine but have lost smaller fish at the boat. Little action at the tip. |
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| ToothTamer rods in the 9' XXX perform well. The longer handle is a benefit for rod balance and casting. I have also use the 8' Jawbreaker without incident for Pounders/Monsters...longer rods in the 8"6' or 9' seems to be a bit nicer for me however... personal preference. |
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| Mi pro series monster mag 40 oz 9 ft....perfect rod!!! |
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| How long is the butt/handle on Lewjeski's 8' 3"? |
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Location: Minnesota | X2 with Ross K |
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| Mr Musky - 4/13/2014 8:23 PM
TI 9' XXH is a superb pounder rod. I suspect esox 4130 has never used one. Lots of great options mentioned just depends what type of rod action you prefer. . I have owned one and it loads up way too much. You waste half of every pull if your working a pounder or bigger bait moderate to fast. I love the it xh for dub 10s but the xxh is to slow action and to soft for me. If you want a cheaper route go with the 9ft xxxh tooth tamer. |
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Location: Canada | Hodag Hunter - 4/13/2014 11:20 PM
Hands down the Lijewski 8'-3" for me. Mark prefers the 7'-9" and I've thrown his quite a bit but still prefer the 8'-3".
I throw pounders a lot, along with monster medusas and for me the Big Dawgs cork handle is too short and doesn't load as well as the Lijewski.
The monster heavy 8'3" rated 10-50 oz's ? Just checking as the 7'9" is rated at 4-16 oz's and there is another 8'3" hall of fame series with that same rating. I have the 9' TI XXH and it's way too soft for pounders in my opinion (it works but better suited for mag dawgs and big tubes etc.). How long is the rear grip length on the 8'3" monster heavy? Only available in full grip (this is what I want, my TI is split grip and as much as I like the split grip I'd much prefer a longer full cork grip for big plastics)? |
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| Lijewski butt is 17 or 18 inches I forgot which. Awesome rod. Wish it was 9ft |
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Location: Canada | esox4130 - 4/14/2014 2:53 PM
Lijewski butt is 17 or 18 inches I forgot which. Awesome rod. Wish it was 9ft
Are you using this rod? The 10-50oz monster heavy or the 4-16oz in the 8'3" ? |
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| The Lijewski's 8'-3" Rod is very interesting for me. But difficult to get in Europe... At the moment I think it is more easy to get an AssaultStick from Chaos Tackle.
The original handle of the BigDawg was to short for a unstressed day of fishing. I made it a little bit longer, less more than 20 inch.
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Location: Detroit River | It depends on how much you want to spend. I'm not made of St. Croix LT money so I was going to go with a Bulldawg rod but since I had a BPS gift card & also got $25 off for rod trade-in I ended up buying the Abu Garcia Volatile rod 8'6" fast extra heavy, 6-16 oz. lure, 50-100 Lb. line with 11 guides plus the tip. Haven't used it yet but hopefully I'll like it. |
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Location: Rhinelander | CU301DSV - 4/14/2014 1:02 PM
Hodag Hunter - 4/13/2014 11:20 PM
Hands down the Lijewski 8'-3" for me. Mark prefers the 7'-9" and I've thrown his quite a bit but still prefer the 8'-3".
I throw pounders a lot, along with monster medusas and for me the Big Dawgs cork handle is too short and doesn't load as well as the Lijewski.
The monster heavy 8'3" rated 10-50 oz's ? Just checking as the 7'9" is rated at 4-16 oz's and there is another 8'3" hall of fame series with that same rating. I have the 9' TI XXH and it's way too soft for pounders in my opinion (it works but better suited for mag dawgs and big tubes etc. ). How long is the rear grip length on the 8'3" monster heavy? Only available in full grip (this is what I want, my TI is split grip and as much as I like the split grip I'd much prefer a longer full cork grip for big plastics )?
The 8'-3" is rated for 10-50 ozs (or close going from memory)
His 7'-9" is more than the 4-16 oz listed above....that I know but don't know the oz rating off the top of my head. I will call him tonight. |
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| Esox 4130, I like how the TI 9' XXH loads up, you can cast a pounder or a Mag Hardhead a mile with very little effort, that keeps me in the game all day. I dont work pounders extremely fast but I will test your theory out this summer. |
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Location: Rhinelander | We're thinking the 7'-9" rod is rated around 20oz.
Both of us are away from where our rods are stored.....I can check by Friday or Saturday for sure. |
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Location: Canada | So the monster heavy 10-50oz is the rod to use for pounders exclusively then. Just checking as I am in the market for a new pounder rod. |
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Location: IGH Minnesota | Tooth tamer XXX or their new 4X are a fine option. 17 1/2 inch handle if I recall. Also have heard good things about the AssultStix but have not tried them yet. |
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Location: Western PA | +1 on xxh Assault Stick |
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| To the OP, what is your budget?
The best rod for tossing Pounders for under $100 is the Okuma EVX. It has the backbone to chuck the baits, but it won't load like a wet noodle, wasting all your energy.
If you want to spend more, then go XH Predator and get it customized for 16 oz. lures. You said "perfect", so that to me = Custom. There is a difference between a rod that will cast a bait like a Pounder and rod that will do it "perfectly" and actually be viable for a full day of chucking those baits without being entirely at the expense of your upper back. |
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| i agree with brad p. i have both the okuma 9'3" xh and the xh pred. the predator is awesome and throws pounders really well in my opinion but they are expensive. if your on a budget the okuma is what i would do. |
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| The main Problem is not the Budget. In Europe I can get rods from St. Croix, MI and TI. And perhaps the new rods from ChaosTackle. That are my alternatives... |
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| KBL - 4/16/2014 3:51 PM
The main Problem is not the Budget. In Europe I can get rods from St. Croix, MI and TI. And perhaps the new rods from ChaosTackle. That are my alternatives...
Get a TI rod if you can. You will like it a lot. Tackle Industries makes one heck of a rod. |
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| If he thinks the Big Dawg rod i to soft, he's not gonna like the TI rod.
I have, the Mark Lijewski rod, the St. Croix BD and the TI xxh, and the softes of the three is the TI. |
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Location: On The Water | "Perfect" anything is unatainable... |
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Location: Aurora | I jest strip line offa the reel into a pickle bucket on the deck of the boat and throw um overhand at the reef/weedbed/shoreline/jetskier, then reel um in.
~shrug~
Werks fer me. |
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| Zinox - 4/18/2014 5:04 AM
If he thinks the Big Dawg rod i to soft, he's not gonna like the TI rod.
I have, the Mark Lijewski rod, the St. Croix BD and the TI xxh, and the softes of the three is the TI.
100% disagree. If you think the TI XXH is soft your swinging it like a baseball bat. Let the rod do the work for you. I have owned the Big Dawg but not the Mark L rod and the TI throws pounders better IMO but both rods are great. I just moved over to TI rods as I like them better. |
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| I got the tooth tamer XXXH. Very happy with it! |
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| Is good for the pounders????? |
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| Mark Nicholas GS - 4/16/2014 11:44 AM
+1 on xxh Assault Stick
Is good for the pounders????? |
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| Has anybody fished the Abu Garcia 8'6" Volatile 4 - 16 oz rod? If so, thoughts? |
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| Pounders is exactly what I use it for! Should have clarified that. However, everyone may like a different feel when fishing dawgs. I myself do not like a lot of flex in the rod tip. 9 footer of course. |
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| I really like the MI 9' Monster heavy. Can throw pounders out good and has a good backbone for hook sets. |
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Location: Western PA | sklehh.... Yes it's good for pounders. Chaos tackle worked very hard on the blanks and they preform fantastic. Similar to tackle industries from the sense of having some flex. More of a moderate fast taper, but blended with a fast backbone. Personally prefer the quality over tackle industies which is expected with a slightly larger price tag. |
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| I'm hoping it is the MHX XX-heavy blank trimmed down. Anyone have any experience with that blank?
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Location: Madison, WI | Mark Nicholas GS - 4/24/2014 7:58 PM
sklehh.... Yes it's good for pounders. Chaos tackle worked very hard on the blanks and they preform fantastic. Similar to tackle industries from the sense of having some flex. More of a moderate fast taper, but blended with a fast backbone. Personally prefer the quality over tackle industies which is expected with a slightly larger price tag.
X2 on the assault sticks. The shock and awe rod is an amazing big rubber rod but it also can do more than that. The entire assault stick line is good IMO. |
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Location: Price County WI | Tooth Tamer has the Big Rubber Rod figured out with the Jawbreaker Series!!!!! IMO. |
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Perfect rod for pounder casting