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| Anyone ever take off the middle treble hook and if so does the lure act much differently |
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| Yes, depends on the lure and activity of fish. If the fish are biting well there is no reason to have all hooks on the lure. I will be down to 1 treble if the fish are trying to inhale the lure.
Makes it much easier on you and the fish w/ less hooks all over. |
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Location: S.W. WI | In my opinion 3 trebles is so un nessesary on alot of lures. Like a 6-7 inch minnow bait, or a walk-the-dog topwater, or a 9" Suick. I have many times removed one hook (and moved one hook screw eye) to get 2 (bigger hooks) in the right spot. Certainly helps save some damage to fishes faces and helps hook-ups in my opine. Instead of companies skimping on 3 cheap hooks on a lure, I wish some of them would just use 2 good quality, larger hooks. Why would you need a hook every 2 inches on a lure?
-Jon
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Location: Illinois | I change out my Depth Raider hooks and upsize. Rather than 3 small trebles I have 2 medium size trebles. The baits run the same and I haven't noticed a difference in hook ups. |
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Location: On the Niagara River in Buffalo, NY | On some 5 1/2" to 7" Jtd Crankbaits I will remove the center hook and replace the front hook with a much bigger size trebble hook that almost weighs the same as the two trebbles you took off to keep the weight distribution accross the lure body,to keep close to the same action you had before removing the 3rd trebble hook.Adding too big of a hook with more weight directed toward the head of the crankbait body will change the lip angle,that will change the depth the crankbait runs and the action. The slower you troll or a slower casting retrieve,the more the changes will show in the crankbaits action with weight distribution changes.I have also added a swivel and willow blade where the center hook was to get more flash and keep the weight distribution on some lures.Then on other wood lures where I removed the center trebble hook I have added a small JB weight srewed in to match the weight of the hook that I have removed.Some crankbaits when you change the weight distribution by removing the center hook,they do not catch fish like the did with the center hook.You can also bend all the hook points over so they can hook nothing,but you still get the hook noise and the bump on the tail section that changes up the lures tail action.But again it takes long enough to seperate the crankbaits that catch big muskies all the time from those that catch dinks or none at all,some crankbaits I will find only 1 out of a dozen of the same type and color that catch fish at all!
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| on all georgie baits from 5-7 inch we build with 2 trebles only.
on the 9,s theres 3.
many baits just wont run properly with hook changes..
in Ontario your allowed a max 4 trebles per rod on artificial lures.
that's one to watch cause some game wardens check. |
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| Thanks everyone going to take some off of a few lures and see how to goes three treble hooks in a musky mouth thrashing gives him better odds then me lol. |
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Location: oswego, il | Going to play devils advocate here. I prefer three hooks. I fish alot of pressured water. Fish just don't eat a bait much of the time the way you would like. Eat from behind, don't clamp down, don't eat and turn, reluctant grabs in the 8, plenty of less than perfect scenarios. I catch alot of fish that are not hooked well because of it. I need some hook points. Even with three I am finding alot of fish are free in the net or just one hook in the fish. For the times they are not I am ready with the right tools for quick release. I just dont see alot of badly hooked fish or torn up fish.
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Location: S.W. WI | ToddM - 2/7/2014 12:43 PM
Going to play devils advocate here. I prefer three hooks. I fish alot of pressured water. Fish just don't eat a bait much of the time the way you would like. Eat from behind, don't clamp down, don't eat and turn, reluctant grabs in the 8, plenty of less than perfect scenarios. I catch alot of fish that are not hooked well because of it. I need some hook points. Even with three I am finding alot of fish are free in the net or just one hook in the fish. For the times they are not I am ready with the right tools for quick release. I just see alot of badly hooked fish or torn up fish.
Todd may be right, in some cases I'm sure he is right. There are times they just nip and seems you can't get a hook in em easy. Amazes me how they don't get hooked sometimes. |
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Location: Algonac, MI | Two instead of three hooks, properly placed, will not hurt your hook up ratio. If anything it seems to improve it. We do it all the time on LSC, as Woodieb8 stated, "the man" checks number of hooks per line so we have adapted.
Number of hooks will change lure action. We learned many lures, run just as good, if not better, with less hooks in the correct place, instead of more hooks, in an incorrect location. Each angler needs to experiment to learn the action they perfer, on the lures you typically run/throw.
When muskie are just nipping, nudging or toying with your bait, number of hooks doesn't matter. They are not going to eat it. The extra hooks won't find their way into their mouth.
We have video of fish messing with lures on boat rods, when trolling. They just swim up and nudge, or bat at, the lure with the side of their head. Sometimes it causes a short "zit" from the clicker.....and that is it. Many times, the clicker never even sounds, and if you werent watching the video (or the rod tip) would have never known it happened. We call them short strikes, just like when casting.
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| Contender - 2/7/2014 2:31 PM
Two instead of three hooks, properly placed, will not hurt your hook up ratio. If anything it seems to improve it. We do it all the time on LSC, as Woodieb8 stated, "the man" checks number of hooks per line so we have adapted.
Number of hooks will change lure action. We learned many lures, run just as good, if not better, with less hooks in the correct place, instead of more hooks, in an incorrect location. Each angler needs to experiment to learn the action they perfer, on the lures you typically run/throw.
When muskie are just nipping, nudging or toying with your bait, number of hooks doesn't matter. They are not going to eat it. The extra hooks won't find their way into their mouth.
We have video of fish messing with lures on boat rods, when trolling. They just swim up and nudge, or bat at, the lure with the side of their head. Sometimes it causes a short "zit" from the clicker.....and that is it. Many times, the clicker never even sounds, and if you werent watching the video (or the rod tip) would have never known it happened. We call them short strikes, just like when casting.
Do you have any videos that you could share of this? That would be cool to see.
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Location: oswego, il | Contender, I dont doubt what you say but I can say I have seen different especially casting. I will also say your lures are honed and honed well for lsc. Those fish act much differently than do the ones in Indiana and Illinois. I have caught alot of fish trolling these two states and I still prefer 3 hooks on baits 7" or bigger. I also prefer lighter wire hooks because of they way alot of fish seem to eat. I have seen it make a difference too many times. |
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Location: 15 miles east of Lake Kinkaid | ToddM-
I agree completely. I will have to go back to check my record but I bet of the 40 or so Muskies casting on a 10" jake.....50% on the back hook, 20% on the front, 20% on the middle, and 10% with more than 1 hook. This is just an example but I believe in 3 hooks on the larger (8" + crank baits and twitch baits). |
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Location: Algonac, MI | MuskyMATT7 - 2/7/2014 4:27 PM
ToddM-
I agree completely. I will have to go back to check my record but I bet of the 40 or so Muskies casting on a 10" jake.....50% on the back hook, 20% on the front, 20% on the middle, and 10% with more than 1 hook. This is just an example but I believe in 3 hooks on the larger (8" + crank baits and twitch baits).
My larger crankbaits have 3 hooks. I should have clarified, that the 2 hook cranks I speak about, are 6" and less in size.
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Three sets of treble hooks