Daiwa: Saltist 20 vs Lexa 400
curleytail
Posted 1/22/2014 12:12 PM (#686427)
Subject: Daiwa: Saltist 20 vs Lexa 400




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Location: Hayward, WI
I hate to start another "which reel" thread but here goes.

Looking to pick up a fast, powerful reel to use almost exclusively for 10's. I was originally set on one of the black Saltist 20's with the newer auto engage. Sounds like they are tough, pretty reliable, and can smoke 10's in without too much effort.

Then along came the Lexa 400 which has me wondering. The 7.1:1 with power handle looks promising. I would guess it's easier to cast with it having spool brakes. I'm sure the low profile is nice to palm (though the Saltist 20 doesn't seem any bigger than other 400 series round reels).

Is the handle long enough on the Lexa to make it "feel" a little easier to pull 10's? Do the gears hold up with such a high gear ratio - bringing in ~ 38 inches per crank?

Is the Saltist that hard to cast (double 10's into the wind...) for an experienced fisherman?

Looking for reliability and a reel that doesn't crank too hard (within reason). Not looking to spend enough to move up to a Tranx.

Tucker
Masqui-ninja
Posted 1/22/2014 1:03 PM (#686452 - in reply to #686427)
Subject: RE: Daiwa: Saltist 20 vs Lexa 400





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Location: Walker, MN
Personally I like 25-28 inches per revolution of pick up for double 10's. I tried 10's with my saltist 20 but it wore me out. I use a Revo Toro 5.4 for 10's and the Saltist for big rubber. I know it is winter but trying one or two reels out is the best way to go. Also, casting bucktails into the wind can be a problem with the saltist.
Moltisanti
Posted 1/22/2014 1:35 PM (#686467 - in reply to #686452)
Subject: Re: Daiwa: Saltist 20 vs Lexa 400




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Location: Hudson, WI
I just picked up a Lexa 400 HS with the power handle...the 7.1 to 1 version. The guy at Thorne Bros. told me that the HS version will be more versatile for Double 10's. Ideally, you would want the lower gear ratio for more power, but it will be much more difficult to burn. The 7.1 with the power handle is obviously easier to burn, and if you want to slow roll it, you are hardly turning that power handle (the thing is huge by the way) so the fatigue and wear on the reel won't be a big deal.
Boss
Posted 1/22/2014 1:40 PM (#686470 - in reply to #686427)
Subject: Re: Daiwa: Saltist 20 vs Lexa 400




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does anybody have any experience actually casting double 10s on the lexa 400?

i have a feeling the 7.1 gears are going to be too fast to cast 10s all day
Moltisanti
Posted 1/22/2014 1:47 PM (#686474 - in reply to #686470)
Subject: Re: Daiwa: Saltist 20 vs Lexa 400




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Location: Hudson, WI
Boss - 1/22/2014 1:40 PM

does anybody have any experience actually casting double 10s on the lexa 400?

i have a feeling the 7.1 gears are going to be too fast to cast 10s all day


That's what I thought, but I was told otherwise. I guess I'll find out!
Flambeauski
Posted 1/22/2014 1:54 PM (#686480 - in reply to #686427)
Subject: Re: Daiwa: Saltist 20 vs Lexa 400




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Location: Smith Creek
A co-worker used some on LOTW last summer, told me the 7-1 was a pain for 10's, the 6.3 was much better.
At 33 inches per crank the 6.3 is still plenty fast, more versatile, I would think.
curleytail
Posted 1/22/2014 2:04 PM (#686487 - in reply to #686427)
Subject: Re: Daiwa: Saltist 20 vs Lexa 400




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Location: Hayward, WI
The 400 Lexa 6.3 does seem like more of an ideal ratio/line pickup. I don't need to BURN blades, just looking for a pretty fast reel that also won't wear me out.

I wish the 6.3 came with their power handle. I know their double paddle is big though, but haven't been able to handle the 400 size yet. I usually prefer "power" handles with the big handle to hold on to, but if the throw is long enough and the paddles big enough, the double paddle might work just fine.

So, thoughts on the Lexa 400 6.3 vs the Saltist? I like that the Saltist has been proven to be pretty durable and a work horse. The Lexa is not as proven to hold up (just because it's newer), but I'm sure would be easier to cast - especially with wind resistant flashabou double blades.
dami0101
Posted 1/22/2014 2:09 PM (#686492 - in reply to #686427)
Subject: Re: Daiwa: Saltist 20 vs Lexa 400





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Haven't used the Lexa 400 so I can only talk about the saltist. Size wise it is larger than a 400B or 400 TE, not sure about a 400D though. If you are throwing weighted flashabou blades, like a dadson bullet or custom built with extra weight, then it's not really an issue. Also, marabou blades pretty much eliminate the issue, I was throwing a double 8 into the wind and backlashed once. When it comes to burning 10's I don't think it's too bad fatigue wise, and I actually need to slow down otherwise I end up blowing the blades out of the water.

The only reason I'm looking to sell mine is as I only run one setup, I need something a little more versatile.
Flambeauski
Posted 1/22/2014 2:12 PM (#686496 - in reply to #686427)
Subject: Re: Daiwa: Saltist 20 vs Lexa 400




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Location: Smith Creek
Can't speak for the durability, sounds like after 1 year of use the 300's are holding up well. My buddy had to return his 400's to Daiwa after his trip (not for repair, they were loaners for a promo).
cast4musky
Posted 1/22/2014 4:44 PM (#686560 - in reply to #686427)
Subject: Re: Daiwa: Saltist 20 vs Lexa 400





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I have used the 300 Lexa last year and really liked it, I left the paddle handle on it which by the way is really not that much smaller if any than the power handle. Never had one issue with it and it performed flawlessly. It handled the double ten blades fine..... was it effortless No" but it was not that difficult to use either. I put it in the same class as the revo toro w 5/1 calcutta 401 TE, and a Curado.....I personally think that when the 400 lexa comes out in a lefty model I will be using it for all my Bucktails and there is not a doubt in my mind that with the larger spool and a 5/1 gearing will be what us lefties have been waiting for .... I think that the 6/1 and 7/1 gear ratio reels are great for line pick up only...But for Large Blades they will still be a problem once that resistance is on the reel. With those Big Blades you will be struggling to reel as fast as you can...I would prefer a nice large spool with 4.9 to 5.4 gears with a nice gear system that will bring in about 28 to 32 inches per turn....It's weird that in this day and age no one really has made a a Nice sized reel Tht's under $200.00 that has a line out clicker, an engaged level wind (in and out) weight under 15 ounces, medium profile, Nice strong 5/1 gears, anti reverse, Nice drag system, with about 28- 30 inches of line take up per turn....Maybe SOMEDAY
tolle141
Posted 1/22/2014 10:18 PM (#686664 - in reply to #686427)
Subject: Re: Daiwa: Saltist 20 vs Lexa 400





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I think the 5.1:1 is going to be the gear ratio for double 10's all day. You might have to reel faster to burn, but you're probably not going to burn all day. Depending on how long of stints you'll be doing, the 5.1 will likely be the more comfortable and flexible reel for all day fishing.
PIKEMASTER
Posted 1/22/2014 10:33 PM (#686668 - in reply to #686427)
Subject: Re: Daiwa: Saltist 20 vs Lexa 400





Location: Latitude 41.3016 Longitude 88.6160
The 7.1 gears in the Lexa 400 will have no cranking power with DCG and when U have a fish on, go with the 6.3 for DCG, at 33 inches of line pickup. The 5.1 gears has 27 inches of line pickup and will be a joy to fish with DCG all day long, U won't be burning DCG but that is what I would go with.
The Saltist 20 has 35 inches of line pickup and is a Tank of a reel but hard to cast light baits, under 4oz with a stiff tip rod.
The Tranx HG is the reel that can burn DCG all day long, with 43 inches of line pickup, now that is burning !!!!!!!!
dirtybird
Posted 1/23/2014 6:41 AM (#686686 - in reply to #686427)
Subject: RE: Daiwa: Saltist 20 vs Lexa 400





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Location: Wisconsin
With the low ratio for ease of cranking while still bringing in 27" of line I think the 5.1.1 is the reel I will be going with. Should really be a nice all purpose reel. As far as the 6.3.1 goes I have a nacl in that ratio and I like it for everything but blades. Hoping to pick up the lexa one of these days. Will have to try and find a warm water discharge somewhere so I can try it out. Throw in the fact that you can get them for under 200 and it really makes the reel seem appealing to everyone.
cast4musky
Posted 1/23/2014 7:55 AM (#686696 - in reply to #686427)
Subject: Re: Daiwa: Saltist 20 vs Lexa 400





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PIKEMASTER so you would prefer the Tranx HG over the Tranx PG for throwing Double 10's all day? I was under the impression that most Guys preferred the lower geared Tranx PG Model that had more power. I have heard many guys claim that the PG model made an effortless retrieve on Double 10's.........Would the Higher gears on the HG make it just as easy to reel in, or easier as you would be able to turn the handle slower and bring in the same amount of line....

PIKEMASTER I would personally like to thank you for answering so many reel questions on this website that have helped all of us make a good decision on our future reel purchases. Your Honest non bias Opinions are greatly appreciated by all of us. Thank You Mike Melfa Sr.
PIKEMASTER
Posted 1/23/2014 8:17 AM (#686700 - in reply to #686696)
Subject: Re: Daiwa: Saltist 20 vs Lexa 400





Location: Latitude 41.3016 Longitude 88.6160
cast4musky - 1/23/2014 7:55 AM

PIKEMASTER so you would prefer the Tranx HG over the Tranx PG for throwing Double 10's all day? I was under the impression that most Guys preferred the lower geared Tranx PG Model that had more power. I have heard many guys claim that the PG model made an effortless retrieve on Double 10's.........Would the Higher gears on the HG make it just as easy to reel in, or easier as you would be able to turn the handle slower and bring in the same amount of line....

PIKEMASTER I would personally like to thank you for answering so many reel questions on this website that have helped all of us make a good decision on our future reel purchases. Your Honest non bias Opinions are greatly appreciated by all of us. Thank You Mike Melfa Sr.


The HG is a reel that can burn but how many times do you need 43" of line pickup ??? only a few lakes I can think of so the PG is the best all around ratio. I have the HG and I use it for picking up slack line mostly and the PG for Bucktails. My HG Tranx I have a LJV handle on it so I have a little more power but U will still know that U are bringing in a DCG. The PG U may have to reel faster but with no effort what so ever.
Thanks I fish alot of different reels and have seen how they are built so I try to give a Honest Opion.
Boss
Posted 1/23/2014 10:17 AM (#686736 - in reply to #686560)
Subject: Re: Daiwa: Saltist 20 vs Lexa 400




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cast4musky - 1/22/2014 5:44 PM

I have used the 300 Lexa last year and really liked it, I left the paddle handle on it which by the way is really not that much smaller if any than the power handle. Never had one issue with it and it performed flawlessly. It handled the double ten blades fine..... was it effortless No" but it was not that difficult to use either. I put it in the same class as the revo toro w 5/1 calcutta 401 TE, and a Curado.....I personally think that when the 400 lexa comes out in a lefty model I will be using it for all my Bucktails and there is not a doubt in my mind that with the larger spool and a 5/1 gearing will be what us lefties have been waiting for .... I think that the 6/1 and 7/1 gear ratio reels are great for line pick up only...But for Large Blades they will still be a problem once that resistance is on the reel. With those Big Blades you will be struggling to reel as fast as you can...I would prefer a nice large spool with 4.9 to 5.4 gears with a nice gear system that will bring in about 28 to 32 inches per turn....It's weird that in this day and age no one really has made a a Nice sized reel Tht's under $200.00 that has a line out clicker, an engaged level wind (in and out) weight under 15 ounces, medium profile, Nice strong 5/1 gears, anti reverse, Nice drag system, with about 28- 30 inches of line take up per turn....Maybe SOMEDAY


the 5.1 gearing on the Lexa 400 is not available in left hand
stdevos
Posted 1/23/2014 1:12 PM (#686793 - in reply to #686427)
Subject: Re: Daiwa: Saltist 20 vs Lexa 400





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Location: Madtown, WI
Funny, I have a Saltist 20 and am thinking about replacing with Lexa 400. The Saltist is an awesome reel in every respect except for the spool breaks. People say you will learn how to cast it, and you do, but when you are casting into a stiff wind with a flashabou DCG, you will get a lot of backlashes regardless of your skillz. And when you're on LOTW, you get stuck on the bottom 50% of the time, very frustrating.

I'm going to try out the Lexa 400 6.3:1 this season, hopefully it'll hold up as well as the Saltist. I love my NaCl, but I don't think I want to drop that far in line pickup.
Slow Rollin
Posted 1/23/2014 1:18 PM (#686795 - in reply to #686793)
Subject: Re: Daiwa: Saltist 20 vs Lexa 400




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im also gonna switch to a Lexa. i believe the Lexa is lighter and easier to palm.
dami0101
Posted 1/23/2014 1:28 PM (#686796 - in reply to #686793)
Subject: Re: Daiwa: Saltist 20 vs Lexa 400





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Location: Minneapolis, MN
stdevos - 1/23/2014 1:12 PM

Funny, I have a Saltist 20 and am thinking about replacing with Lexa 400. The Saltist is an awesome reel in every respect except for the spool breaks. People say you will learn how to cast it, and you do, but when you are casting into a stiff wind with a flashabou DCG, you will get a lot of backlashes regardless of your skillz. And when you're on LOTW, you get stuck on the bottom 50% of the time, very frustrating.

I'm going to try out the Lexa 400 6.3:1 this season, hopefully it'll hold up as well as the Saltist. I love my NaCl, but I don't think I want to drop that far in line pickup.


Yeah if they made a Saltist 20 with a spool brake I wouldn't need any other reel.
cast4musky
Posted 1/24/2014 9:15 AM (#686971 - in reply to #686427)
Subject: Re: Daiwa: Saltist 20 vs Lexa 400





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Reel Specs on the Diawa Lexa 400 Series
HIGH CAPACITY STANDARD SPEED BAITCASTING REEL WITH PADDLE HANDLE
LEXA400H XH / H 2CRBB, 4BB, 1RB 6.3:1 33.4” 15.3 MONO: 17/245, 20/190
BRAID: 55/300, 80/200 25

HIGH CAPACITY HIGH SPEED BAITCASTING REEL WITH PADDLE HANDLE
LEXA400HS XH / H 2CRBB, 4BB, 1RB 7.1:1 37.7” 15.3 MONO: 17/245, 20/190
BRAID: 55/300, 80/200 25

HIGH CAPACITY HIGH POWER BAITCASTING REEL WITH POWER HANDLE
LEXA400PWR-P XH / H 2CRBB, 4BB, 1RB 5.1:1 27.1 16.2 MONO: 17/245, 20/190
BRAID: 55/300, 80/200 25
PIKEMASTER
Posted 1/24/2014 9:22 AM (#686974 - in reply to #686971)
Subject: Re: Daiwa: Saltist 20 vs Lexa 400





Location: Latitude 41.3016 Longitude 88.6160
cast4musky - 1/24/2014 9:15 AM

Reel Specs on the Diawa Lexa 400 Series
HIGH CAPACITY STANDARD SPEED BAITCASTING REEL WITH PADDLE HANDLE
LEXA400H XH / H 2CRBB, 4BB, 1RB 6.3:1 33.4” 15.3 MONO: 17/245, 20/190
BRAID: 55/300, 80/200 25

HIGH CAPACITY HIGH SPEED BAITCASTING REEL WITH PADDLE HANDLE
LEXA400HS XH / H 2CRBB, 4BB, 1RB 7.1:1 37.7” 15.3 MONO: 17/245, 20/190
BRAID: 55/300, 80/200 25

HIGH CAPACITY HIGH POWER BAITCASTING REEL WITH POWER HANDLE
LEXA400PWR-P XH / H 2CRBB, 4BB, 1RB 5.1:1 27.1 16.2 MONO: 17/245, 20/190
BRAID: 55/300, 80/200 25


FYI do not get the 7.1 for big blades DCG
Will Schultz
Posted 1/24/2014 9:26 AM (#686975 - in reply to #686668)
Subject: Re: Daiwa: Saltist 20 vs Lexa 400





Location: Grand Rapids, MI

PIKEMASTER - 1/22/2014 11:33 PM The 7.1 gears in the Lexa 400 will have no cranking power with DCG and when U have a fish on, go with the 6.3 for DCG, at 33 inches of line pickup.

Are you sure about this, have you used the reel with double tens? I know it seems that way on paper but the Tranx HG would also seem that way if only going by the specs.

PIKEMASTER
Posted 1/24/2014 9:43 AM (#686981 - in reply to #686975)
Subject: Re: Daiwa: Saltist 20 vs Lexa 400





Location: Latitude 41.3016 Longitude 88.6160
Will Schultz - 1/24/2014 9:26 AM

PIKEMASTER - 1/22/2014 11:33 PM The 7.1 gears in the Lexa 400 will have no cranking power with DCG and when U have a fish on, go with the 6.3 for DCG, at 33 inches of line pickup.

Are you sure about this, have you used the reel with double tens? I know it seems that way on paper but the Tranx HG would also seem that way if only going by the specs.


The Tranx has some of the biggest gears sets in a reel today, I'm sure the Lexa will be a great reel but I hate to see a guy on a budget get the 7.1 for DCG and be disappointed. I could be wrong but, guys that use the 6.4:1 Toro for DCG, after a year the reel will sound like a coffee grinder because the small pinion gear teeth will fold over being brass. The taller the gear the smaller the Pinion is and then the pinion will only have maybe 2 teeth inside the main gear, where as a 5.1 pinion will have 3-4 teeth inside the main gear and the teeth will not fold over.
Plus on a 7.1 gear set U will have very liitle power for the bait or fish to bring in so when you have a heavy fish on, U will not be able to crank him in with out pumping the rod and causing slack line.
Moltisanti
Posted 1/24/2014 10:07 AM (#686988 - in reply to #686974)
Subject: Re: Daiwa: Saltist 20 vs Lexa 400




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Location: Hudson, WI
PIKEMASTER - 1/24/2014 9:22 AM

cast4musky - 1/24/2014 9:15 AM

Reel Specs on the Diawa Lexa 400 Series
HIGH CAPACITY STANDARD SPEED BAITCASTING REEL WITH PADDLE HANDLE
LEXA400H XH / H 2CRBB, 4BB, 1RB 6.3:1 33.4” 15.3 MONO: 17/245, 20/190
BRAID: 55/300, 80/200 25

HIGH CAPACITY HIGH SPEED BAITCASTING REEL WITH PADDLE HANDLE
LEXA400HS XH / H 2CRBB, 4BB, 1RB 7.1:1 37.7” 15.3 MONO: 17/245, 20/190
BRAID: 55/300, 80/200 25

HIGH CAPACITY HIGH POWER BAITCASTING REEL WITH POWER HANDLE
LEXA400PWR-P XH / H 2CRBB, 4BB, 1RB 5.1:1 27.1 16.2 MONO: 17/245, 20/190
BRAID: 55/300, 80/200 25


FYI do not get the 7.1 for big blades DCG


Okay...I have a 7.1:1 brand new in the box. Anyone want to trade for 5.1:1, or plan on buying a 7.1:1 for burning? Let's make a deal.
PIKEMASTER
Posted 1/24/2014 10:48 AM (#687000 - in reply to #686988)
Subject: Re: Daiwa: Saltist 20 vs Lexa 400





Location: Latitude 41.3016 Longitude 88.6160
Moltisanti - 1/24/2014 10:07 AM

PIKEMASTER - 1/24/2014 9:22 AM

cast4musky - 1/24/2014 9:15 AM

Reel Specs on the Diawa Lexa 400 Series
HIGH CAPACITY STANDARD SPEED BAITCASTING REEL WITH PADDLE HANDLE
LEXA400H XH / H 2CRBB, 4BB, 1RB 6.3:1 33.4” 15.3 MONO: 17/245, 20/190
BRAID: 55/300, 80/200 25

HIGH CAPACITY HIGH SPEED BAITCASTING REEL WITH PADDLE HANDLE
LEXA400HS XH / H 2CRBB, 4BB, 1RB 7.1:1 37.7” 15.3 MONO: 17/245, 20/190
BRAID: 55/300, 80/200 25

HIGH CAPACITY HIGH POWER BAITCASTING REEL WITH POWER HANDLE
LEXA400PWR-P XH / H 2CRBB, 4BB, 1RB 5.1:1 27.1 16.2 MONO: 17/245, 20/190
BRAID: 55/300, 80/200 25


FYI do not get the 7.1 for big blades DCG


Okay...I have a 7.1:1 brand new in the box. Anyone want to trade for 5.1:1, or plan on buying a 7.1:1 for burning? Let's make a deal.

U can always buy a set of 6 gears or 5 gears from Daiwa and see which ones U like the best and then sell off the ones U don't like here on the forum.
I would think a gear set will be around $50.00
The 7.1 will make a great topwater or jerk bait reel for picking up slack line fast.
Mr Musky
Posted 1/24/2014 11:15 AM (#687006 - in reply to #687000)
Subject: Re: Daiwa: Saltist 20 vs Lexa 400





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Has anyone had any backlash issues or anti reverse issues with the Saltist 20 when only using them for casting big rubber? What im gathering is there pretty bulletproof, wonder if the Lexa will be the same?
PIKEMASTER
Posted 1/24/2014 11:27 AM (#687010 - in reply to #687006)
Subject: Re: Daiwa: Saltist 20 vs Lexa 400





Location: Latitude 41.3016 Longitude 88.6160
Mr Musky - 1/24/2014 11:15 AM

Has anyone had any backlash issues or anti reverse issues with the Saltist 20 when only using them for casting big rubber? What im gathering is there pretty bulletproof, wonder if the Lexa will be the same?

I sure I have worked on over 200 Saltist reels in the last 3 years and they are VERY BULLIT PROOF, the A/R bearing is very large and the reel also has a A/R Pawl as backup for the A/R bearing. Great reel for BIG RUBBER. As far as backlashes the Saltist has NO spool brakes so it will backlash at will if U don't keep a thumb on the spool on every cast. Also try to use a rod with a moderate action and a softer tip that will help alot backlashing. Also make sure to keep line on the Saltist spool as tight as possibly U can, so after each day of use let all the out in the water when U R running back to the dock and wind on as tight as U can.
Masqui-ninja
Posted 1/24/2014 12:00 PM (#687023 - in reply to #687006)
Subject: Re: Daiwa: Saltist 20 vs Lexa 400





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Location: Walker, MN
Mr Musky - 1/24/2014 11:15 AM

Has anyone had any backlash issues or anti reverse issues with the Saltist 20 when only using them for casting big rubber? What im gathering is there pretty bulletproof, wonder if the Lexa will be the same?
What I wonder about is that old angler error situation when the reel is engaged a second too early at the end of a cast...will the Lexa 400 hold up to that. It happens.

I have not had any backlash issues with my Saltist 20s casting big rubber. A big spinnerbait, maybe.
Will Schultz
Posted 1/24/2014 1:31 PM (#687055 - in reply to #687023)
Subject: Re: Daiwa: Saltist 20 vs Lexa 400





Location: Grand Rapids, MI

Masqui-ninja - 1/24/2014 1:00 PM
Mr Musky - 1/24/2014 11:15 AM Has anyone had any backlash issues or anti reverse issues with the Saltist 20 when only using them for casting big rubber? What im gathering is there pretty bulletproof, wonder if the Lexa will be the same?
What I wonder about is that old angler error situation when the reel is engaged a second too early at the end of a cast...will the Lexa 400 hold up to that. It happens. I have not had any backlash issues with my Saltist 20s casting big rubber. A big spinnerbait, maybe.

I had clients do it all year with my Lexa 300's and they still don't have any slip in the anti reverse.

PIKEMASTER
Posted 1/24/2014 2:31 PM (#687070 - in reply to #687023)
Subject: Re: Daiwa: Saltist 20 vs Lexa 400





Location: Latitude 41.3016 Longitude 88.6160
Masqui-ninja - 1/24/2014 12:00 PM

Mr Musky - 1/24/2014 11:15 AM

Has anyone had any backlash issues or anti reverse issues with the Saltist 20 when only using them for casting big rubber? What im gathering is there pretty bulletproof, wonder if the Lexa will be the same?
What I wonder about is that old angler error situation when the reel is engaged a second too early at the end of a cast...will the Lexa 400 hold up to that. It happens.

I have not had any backlash issues with my Saltist 20s casting big rubber. A big spinnerbait, maybe.


If you engage the reel when the bait is in the air, what happens is the pin on the spool shaft is slamed into one of the 2 slots in the pinion gear and the pinion is made of brass so it won't take long and the pinion will break or the pin gets bend in the spool shaft. Has nothing to do with the A/R Bearing.
Brozz88
Posted 1/24/2014 4:34 PM (#687096 - in reply to #687070)
Subject: Re: Daiwa: Saltist 20 vs Lexa 400




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And no matter what reel it is, that's probably not good to do that to many times I'm sure.right? especially chuckin big stuff.
Masqui-ninja
Posted 1/24/2014 8:02 PM (#687149 - in reply to #687055)
Subject: Re: Daiwa: Saltist 20 vs Lexa 400





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Location: Walker, MN
Will Schultz - 1/24/2014 1:31

"I had clients do it all year with my Lexa 300's and they still don't have any slip in the anti reverse."

Well that IS promising. Of course I never do it myself
tolle141
Posted 1/24/2014 9:08 PM (#687162 - in reply to #687023)
Subject: Re: Daiwa: Saltist 20 vs Lexa 400





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Masqui-ninja - 1/24/2014 12:00 PM

Mr Musky - 1/24/2014 11:15 AM

Has anyone had any backlash issues or anti reverse issues with the Saltist 20 when only using them for casting big rubber? What im gathering is there pretty bulletproof, wonder if the Lexa will be the same?
What I wonder about is that old angler error situation when the reel is engaged a second too early at the end of a cast...will the Lexa 400 hold up to that. It happens.

I have not had any backlash issues with my Saltist 20s casting big rubber. A big spinnerbait, maybe.


Doesn't matter what reel you do that with, it's going to hurt it. May not show the first or second time, but it will accumulate. Even with a Tranx
achotrod
Posted 1/25/2014 11:30 AM (#687219 - in reply to #686427)
Subject: Re: Daiwa: Saltist 20 vs Lexa 400





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Just FYI you can get a new Revo Toro NACL pretty close to $200.00 if you have a Cabelas near by and go to the store. I got another one last night. Retail 299.99 ask the guy working the fishing dept if he can give you the base camp price in exchange for you doing the online survey and putting in a good word for him. This brings the reel down to 239.99, then find a coupon that takes another 20.00 off a 150 or more purchase. $219.99 and you could also sign up for a Cabelas CC and get another 20 off bringing it to 199.99. I didnt sign up for the CC but at 219.99 I was happy. I got 2 of them this way.
cast4musky
Posted 1/25/2014 12:02 PM (#687225 - in reply to #686427)
Subject: Re: Daiwa: Saltist 20 vs Lexa 400





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Why go threw all that bother, Gas, tolls,Discount tickets, Credit card sign up, and you Must Pay Tax in store . They are always on E B for $229 Shipped to you.

The LEXA400PWR has only 27.1 inch of line retrieve with the power/power handle version. I am just wondering if this will be fast enough for the Double 10's... or should I get the LEXA400H XH which has the 6.3:1 gears, that has a line retrieve of 33.4”. I myself have never liked using any reels with a gear ratio that is over 5.9/1. they just seem to bind when heavy resistance it on the reel. examples: Revo 6/1, Curado 7/1, lexa 300 7/1
But in this larger reel I'm thinking if the gears are strong enough it may work if I slow down the retrieve a little and not crank so fast. I may just get one this week and find out for sure, worst case scenario I could get new gears. mike Jr
achotrod
Posted 1/25/2014 12:23 PM (#687234 - in reply to #686427)
Subject: Re: Daiwa: Saltist 20 vs Lexa 400





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Cabelas is 15 minutes from me. So gas tolls and travel time are non issues. Coupons come in the mail all the time or can be found online. Even with tax and no CC its about 240 out the door and you can hold and compare to everything else and decide whats right for you. Plus check out everything else while you are there. Im just not a fan of buying over the net unless I have too.
bigdogg2278
Posted 1/25/2014 12:45 PM (#687237 - in reply to #687234)
Subject: Re: Daiwa: Saltist 20 vs Lexa 400




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achotrod - 1/25/2014 12:23 PM

Cabelas is 15 minutes from me. So gas tolls and travel time are non issues. Coupons come in the mail all the time or can be found online. Even with tax and no CC its about 240 out the door and you can hold and compare to everything else and decide whats right for you. Plus check out everything else while you are there. Im just not a fan of buying over the net unless I have too.


Which cabelas did you go to im only about 20 min from the rogers location
achotrod
Posted 1/25/2014 1:49 PM (#687247 - in reply to #686427)
Subject: Re: Daiwa: Saltist 20 vs Lexa 400





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Hoffman Estates IL.
Pretty sure it will work at any of them. Just ask the guy working the dept for Base Camp Pricing. They will normally do it because they get free stuff if you mention them in the online survey. It works out for everyone.

Summit pricing is even better but hard to get. Just trying to pass along a good deal that I got twice.
achotrod
Posted 1/25/2014 1:53 PM (#687248 - in reply to #686427)
Subject: Re: Daiwa: Saltist 20 vs Lexa 400





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Keep in mind this should work for any reel/rod. He couldnt do it on small dollar items like lures,line, leaders etc.
Sidejack
Posted 1/25/2014 8:58 PM (#687332 - in reply to #687225)
Subject: Re: Daiwa: Saltist 20 vs Lexa 400




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Location: Aurora
cast4musky - 1/25/2014 12:02 PM
.. I myself have never liked using any reels with a gear ratio that is over 5.9/1..


Here too & i'm also considering the 400/6.3 for jerks.
Might be just the ticket and they look to be 50 smacks less off the bay than elsewhere right now. Deals could be had at the shows though.
Anyone see um fer less than 195 at recent shows?
cast4musky
Posted 1/25/2014 9:55 PM (#687344 - in reply to #686427)
Subject: Re: Daiwa: Saltist 20 vs Lexa 400





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I'm still waiting for a lefty big blade reel.......You have the PG tranx now so your all set... being lefty S _ _ K S
esox4130
Posted 1/26/2014 9:16 AM (#687394 - in reply to #686427)
Subject: Re: Daiwa: Saltist 20 vs Lexa 400





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The lexa 400 with 33 inch pick up is the solution for left handed.
Boss
Posted 1/27/2014 12:16 PM (#687637 - in reply to #687394)
Subject: Re: Daiwa: Saltist 20 vs Lexa 400




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esox4130 - 1/26/2014 10:16 AM

The lexa 400 with 33 inch pick up is the solution for left handed.


solution for sore arms maybe
curleytail
Posted 1/27/2014 5:37 PM (#687714 - in reply to #686427)
Subject: Re: Daiwa: Saltist 20 vs Lexa 400




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Location: Hayward, WI
Thanks so far for all the information! The more I read, the more it sounds like chucking flashabou 10's into the wind with a Saltist could lead to some new combinations of swear words.

Lexa 400 in 6.3 or maybe even 5.1 sounds pretty good, but I'll have to handle one. A few guys mention them being pretty big. I remember thinking the Tranx didn't seem like it would be much fun to palm all day after I held one, but in comparison pics the Lexa 400 looks to be somewhat smaller than a Tranx.


I still haven't completely made up my mind though so feel free to keep the discussion going!
bigdogg2278
Posted 1/27/2014 6:16 PM (#687721 - in reply to #686427)
Subject: Re: Daiwa: Saltist 20 vs Lexa 400




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Im sold on the lexa now im still trying to figure out 6.3 or 5.1
Targa01
Posted 1/27/2014 6:58 PM (#687725 - in reply to #687721)
Subject: Re: Daiwa: Saltist 20 vs Lexa 400





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Location: Grand Rapids MN
I was glad to see all these threads popping up as I'm in the market for high ratio lefty that won't wear me out. I bought a Saltist and it was amazing how fast my small bucks would burn in and I was ok at straight cranking with my right hand but had a hard repositioning my feet and body to set the other way. Plus I know what they mean about the casting finesse it took.

Since then I've wanted another reel, lefty, that I could use on #8's (maybe #9's) and work in jerks and cranks. I was convinced the new 400 was my answer but sounds like casting smaller baits falls a little short (still like the mag adjust though). Then the Okuma Komodo shows up and looks promising with a sync'ed level wind. I was about to by an Avet last year so maybe I'm being to critical of the disengage LW on the Lexa. The Exo looks good as well but getting a little small on the size. Starting to get more options for reels but being new models and plus they're not in the main stream reels that a lot of righty's use so not as much internet chatter to read up on.

If you guys pull the trigger on any of these reels please post some feedback. Always like good reviews.
muskie tamer
Posted 1/27/2014 9:06 PM (#687760 - in reply to #686427)
Subject: Re: Daiwa: Saltist 20 vs Lexa 400





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Location: Waconia,MN
I was thinking of maybe trying out the new abu record and throwing my nacl power handle on it for bucktails. I'm not really looking to burn them just something that may be a little easier on the arms without breaking the bank. Might be another route to look into.
Mr Musky
Posted 6/18/2014 11:30 AM (#716458 - in reply to #686427)
Subject: Re: Daiwa: Saltist 20 vs Lexa 400





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Are there any advantages in the Saltist 30 over a 20? Is there any difference in the H-C vs the reg Saltist other then the auto engage? I debating on the Lexa 400 high speed or a saltist. Would mainly be used for rubber but could also be used to burn blades when needed. Im gathering the Lexa HS is not going to hold up for that.
curleytail
Posted 6/18/2014 11:39 AM (#716462 - in reply to #686427)
Subject: Re: Daiwa: Saltist 20 vs Lexa 400




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Location: Hayward, WI
I ended up buying a 20 Saltist H-C. So far I've only used it for double 10's and like it so far. Haven't used it yet on any terribly windy days casting into the wind, but so far backlashes don't seem to be a huge problem.

If using it for rubber, backlashes shouldn't be much of an issue. Having the 20, I don't see what advantage the 30 would give. The 20 is plenty fast, has plenty of line capacity, and is pretty comfortable to palm.

I do have to say I think I like having the auto engage vs the manual lever, especially for blades. Wouldn't usually be as much of a concern with rubber.

Tucker
stdevos
Posted 6/18/2014 12:56 PM (#716481 - in reply to #686427)
Subject: Re: Daiwa: Saltist 20 vs Lexa 400





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Location: Madtown, WI
To the best of my knowledge, the only benefit of a saltist 30 would be saving wear and tear on worm gear/pawl and you'll have more consistent cranking speed from beginning of cast to end..... although I think it wouldn't even be noticeable. Weren't the original saltists priced at $175? The HC also has "enhanced ceramic levelwinds" and a different power handle I think.I have a Lexa 400H 6.3:1 on the way, switching from the saltist 20. The backlashes in the wind has me searching for something better, have been hung up on way too many rocks.