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| So we make muskie lures and have a small shop, new business in northern Minnesota. We also started to make spear decoys. I have always speared and love the sport. MN just lifted the no spear ban on several muskie lakes. I agree with this... you should be able to spear... takes away quick plays on fast moving pike but more challenge. I for one know the difference between a pike and a muskie albeit I never tried spearing a muskie lake so perhaps my opinion is off. Any how, over New Years we got in conversation with the vice president of the spearing association here who laid into muskie fishing and stated they were trying to ban muskie stocking in MN due to ruining the spear fishing in the good/clear spearing lakes.
We never thought of it but making decoys for spearing and muskie lures may be political suicide. Interested in any and all opinions. Obviously, I personally am all for muskie improvements in MN. |
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Location: WI | The Dark House Assoc wants to spear muskies. Eventually I think they will get their way unfortunatly. Somehow they got their way politically with the Cass Lk ban being lifted. The DNR was against this. It's unfortunate that law changes are done politically instead of by the DNR.
It's too bad groups of fishermen and spearers can't work together somehow, but not all of the outdoors people are conservation minded.
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Location: Dixon, IL | I don't like to kill fish or animals! |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | ILmuskie - 1/2/2014 7:42 AM
I don't like to kill fish or animals!
I do, and strongly support the right to do so tempered by conservation and a good dose of reality. And we do kill some muskies by fishing for them and releasing them.
I have no issue with spearing Pike if managing for trophy pike is not the goal.
I disagree with the political process that short circuits real management goals.
Spearing muskies would definitely reduce trophy numbers and that significantly. Those of us who live in the Ceded Territory have 25 years of experience on that front. The battle between muskie anglers and the dark house folks in Minnesota is sad; only because the results to date ignore the stated management goals of the MNDNR, which is ludicrous if one doesn't want some politician with zero fisheries management knowledge running the F&G policies over there..
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Location: oswego, il | Agree with Steve 100%. I have a question for the spearers. What is the judgment call to spear? Fish look bigger in the water, it has to be possible to spear undersized fish and that judgment I am sure changes on a slow day looking through the hole. |
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| i don't spear as much as i used to as i don't have the time. You can tell the difference between a muskie and a northern. On that note i know a lot of people who spear and have never heard any of them say that they want to spear muskies. I spear only a couple of fish a year around 5 lbs to eat, my daughter thinks it is cool to see the fish as it is just like an aquarium. It is kind of like deer hunting i let a lot of nice fish go hoping to one day get the "booner" of northerns, just like letting a lot of nice deer go.
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| I don't agree with spearing muskie.... I see no issue with spearing northern pikes in muskie lakes. I will say that I do believe the northern pike bite seems to be lower in muskie lakes but we have caught some monster pike.... I let them go as well to grow more....
That question makes me wonder... spearing if going for trophy pike or spearing slot limit on pike... yeah I suppose if I speared on a muskie lake I would be aggravated. I spear on none pike lakes. Plenty of lakes to chose from although the dark water pike lakes.... I saw my decoy move and stared and stared hard to see decoy too low ten pound pike... yep missed it. My opinion is colored as I like muskie fishing more |
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Location: MN | I think as in most groups the majority of the individuals are good, conscientious, and law-abiding. I'm sure it's the same with spearers. And I think if they knew what a low density population muskies are and the tremendous efforts to get them stocked, they'd likely consider not throwing. But the fact is it's the darkhouse assn trying to get it legalized, and knowing their desire to eliminate stocking and be able to spear muskies you know there are a few who would go nuts. |
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| Nell - 1/2/2014 12:55 PM I don't agree with spearing muskie.... I see no issue with spearing northern pikes in muskie lakes. I will say that I do believe the northern pike bite seems to be lower in muskie lakes but we have caught some monster pike.... I let them go as well to grow more.... That question makes me wonder... spearing if going for trophy pike or spearing slot limit on pike... yeah I suppose if I speared on a muskie lake I would be aggravated. I spear on none pike lakes. Plenty of lakes to chose from although the dark water pike lakes.... I saw my decoy move and stared and stared hard to see decoy too low ten pound pike... yep missed it. My opinion is colored as I like muskie fishing more Slot limits on pike are not just on muskie lakes. Many slot limits on pike on non-muskie lakes. The day spearing muskies becomes legal in MN is the day I put up all my muskie gear up for sale. Just saying...
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Location: oswego, il | So how do you determine size limit while spearing? With a slot now you have two sizes to consider. I would not think the fish could be close and be able to make a decision. Is it easy to tell pike from musky and size in dark water?
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Location: minocqua, wi. | it's easy to know what a fish is in a darkhouse = yes |
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| easy if you know what to look for....It amazes me how many "fisherman" don't know what they are holding AFTER they catch it ...let alone see it in the water. |
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| I'd like to believe that a vast majority of those that spear are serious enough about their craft that they know the difference between a musky and a pike when they see one. However, it's been my experience that the average angler doesn't know one from the other. Even the folks you would think should know the difference often do not.
I'm not against spearing, provided that it is done according to the law and the law is based on the best interests of the fisheries as well as the interests of those who those resources. Having never done it I can't say for sure, but I'd be willing to bet that after half a day or so standing over a hole in the ice waiting for a fish to swim by that one might get a bit "spear happy" and tend to poke anything that comes into view before the distinction is made as to what it is.
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Location: Tower, Lake Vermilion | I know it's only my opinion but I don't understand what satisfaction one could possibly get by sticking a spear in a giant Pike or Muskie. It's not like you had to do much to get that fish to come to your hole. You don't angle for it or cast to a great looking spot where you think a big fish is located. You don't have to play the fish or do a figure eight to get it to take your bait...You see it swim into the hole and you stick it, then you pull it out, big wow!!!! Boy I bet that dead fish with holes in it really makes a fine mount.
Lets face it, spearing is a harvest method, nothing more nothing less.
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Location: minocqua, wi. | i don't think anyone would argue that spearing is a harvest method.
pour a bucket of corn on a trail, wait to lure in a buck and pull the trigger = harvest sport.
some like to do it and others don't like that they do it. it is regulated and traditional like most gun/angling sports. if pike were managed as a no-take vs. a renewable harvest resource then you would have an argument, but they are not. carving, painting and making lures and bringing pike in a dark-house is a traditional sport not unlike many others and it's fun. if there are no fish then it's no fun, but it's been going on a long, long time and "most" people who do it support and require the fish to be available in order to do it. as long as that is in balance i see no problem with it.
driving around pulling baits behind a boat and having a fish hit then reeling it in with essentially cable while the boat is still running is sport too then?
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| I am against spearing,netting,and even bow and arrow fishing .I dont believe this is sportsmanship,just plain harvest.I dont have a problem with fishing and harvest either,just politics instead of sportsmanship.I think this whole reason people are allowed to spear, is political as in political correctness ,but that is only my opinion.I think the spearing in general would be outlawed all together world wide, if it did not benefit a certain group.0723 |
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| You may not think it's "fun" to stick a spear in something, but it's not exactly fun to whack walleyes and panfish over the head and fillet them, either. It's a means to an end. Everything we eat had to die one way or the other. I much prefer knowing that it was alive a few hours ago, and that I actually participated actively in my place in the food chain by killing it and eating it. We may cringe at the person who spears a trophy pike, but what's so different from a pike vs. a bucket of crappies? What's so different from a pike and a buck that had the misfortune of walking past a tree you've been sitting in all day? I'm pretty sure the burger I ate a few days ago was not killed in a sporting fashion, either. |
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| Guess I'm real glad we don't have that problem in Pa.....YET ! |
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| esoxaddict - 1/2/2014 6:31 PM
You may not think it's "fun" to stick a spear in something, but it's not exactly fun to whack walleyes and panfish over the head and fillet them, either. It's a means to an end. Everything we eat had to die one way or the other. I much prefer knowing that it was alive a few hours ago, and that I actually participated actively in my place in the food chain by killing it and eating it. We may cringe at the person who spears a trophy pike, but what's so different from a pike vs. a bucket of crappies? What's so different from a pike and a buck that had the misfortune of walking past a tree you've been sitting in all day? I'm pretty sure the burger I ate a few days ago was not killed in a sporting fashion, either. Nice rebuttal alot of good points.I see alot more sportsmanship catching a fish, than seeing it ride by and spear it.Hell why not just use dynamite.The big problem is most will spear anything that goes by(unlike deer hunting,deer only) like most meat hunters.The policticians would vote this out no doubt if they werent afraid which group this offends the most and lose some precious votes.0723
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Location: MN | While I don't do it myself, I'm leery of telling someone they can't practice an age old tradition just because we don't agree with that method. We need to be careful what we wish for. But I'm referring to pike spearing only. And with slot limits (however that would be enforced) where the DNR has deemed them necessary or beneficial. Sled, I know that you enjoy and target big pike thru the ice. Does it bother you the catch and kill nature of spearing, especially on big pike waters? Heck a trophy pike south of Canada is probably more rare than a muskie. |
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Location: The desert | 0723 - 1/2/2014 5:13 PM
I am against spearing,netting,and even bow and arrow fishing .I dont believe this is sportsmanship,just plain harvest.I dont have a problem with fishing and harvest either,just politics instead of sportsmanship.I think this whole reason people are allowed to spear, is political as in political correctness ,but that is only my opinion.I think the spearing in general would be outlawed all together world wide, if it did not benefit a certain group.0723
This is really well informed and thought out. |
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| 0723 - 1/2/2014 6:13 PM
I am against spearing,netting,and even bow and arrow fishing .I dont believe this is sportsmanship,just plain harvest.I dont have a problem with fishing and harvest either,just politics instead of sportsmanship.I think this whole reason people are allowed to spear, is political as in political correctness ,but that is only my opinion.I think the spearing in general would be outlawed all together world wide, if it did not benefit a certain group.0723
You say you don't mind people harvesting fish by hook and line, but you do by spear? This makes no sense to me, harvest is harvest. Actually the majority of your post makes no sense so I'm not sure why I bother.
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| Ja Rule - 1/2/2014 7:54 PM
0723 - 1/2/2014 6:13 PM
I am against spearing,netting,and even bow and arrow fishing .I dont believe this is sportsmanship,just plain harvest.I dont have a problem with fishing and harvest either,just politics instead of sportsmanship.I think this whole reason people are allowed to spear, is political as in political correctness ,but that is only my opinion.I think the spearing in general would be outlawed all together world wide, if it did not benefit a certain group.0723
You say you don't mind people harvesting fish by hook and line, but you do by spear? This makes no sense to me, harvest is harvest. Actually the majority of your post makes no sense so I'm not sure why I bother.
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Location: Watertown, MN | Nell, the major conflict is that the Dark houses does not want to follow guidlines set up by the DNR to establish trophy esox. They dont liike slots limits, they want more waters to spear as we want more to stock muskys, they are very small group, but are very effective in getting their way in goverment beuaracracy, and have hand cuffed the DNR for managing our fisheries, and had some elected officials make decision. We had worked with them on the Esox Round table and they did not like what was proposed, and took there spear and went home. So no love loss for them, and yes they spear muskies, pics are captured every year of speared muskies.
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| Spearing was a tradition of harvest to eat.This is not a problem in 2014 in minnesota or wisconsin.Now in Alaska the eskimo spear/hunt seals ,for some its their only source of meat ,thats a different story.I dont think people are starving in Minn/Wisc because they cant spear pike walleye and musky.To many regulations are broken to continue this mockery as an excuse for tradition in our present country.0723
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Location: The desert | Ja Rule - 1/2/2014 6:54 PM
0723 - 1/2/2014 6:13 PM
I am against spearing,netting,and even bow and arrow fishing .I dont believe this is sportsmanship,just plain harvest.I dont have a problem with fishing and harvest either,just politics instead of sportsmanship.I think this whole reason people are allowed to spear, is political as in political correctness ,but that is only my opinion.I think the spearing in general would be outlawed all together world wide, if it did not benefit a certain group.0723
You say you don't mind people harvesting fish by hook and line, but you do by spear? This makes no sense to me, harvest is harvest. Actually the majority of your post makes no sense so I'm not sure why I bother.
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| 0723 - 1/2/2014 8:59 PM
Ja Rule - 1/2/2014 7:54 PM
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I am against spearing,netting,and even bow and arrow fishing .I dont believe this is sportsmanship,just plain harvest.I dont have a problem with fishing and harvest either,just politics instead of sportsmanship.I think this whole reason people are allowed to spear, is political as in political correctness ,but that is only my opinion.I think the spearing in general would be outlawed all together world wide, if it did not benefit a certain group.0723
You say you don't mind people harvesting fish by hook and line, but you do by spear? This makes no sense to me, harvest is harvest. Actually the majority of your post makes no sense so I'm not sure why I bother. Spearing harvest is not fishing harvest.What dont you understand?Spearing is 100 percent harvest there is no live release.I said I dont have problem with harvest not 100 percent of your catch to keep.'A certain group spears and , bottom line no politican is going to cross them if he/she stands a chance to run for bigger office someday.I dont know why i bother to explain the obvious to you maybe you are a pol too.0723 |
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Location: The desert | 0723 - 1/2/2014 8:14 PM
Spearing was a tradition of harvest to eat.This is not a problem in 2014 in minnesota or wisconsin.Now in Alaska the eskimo spear/hunt seals ,for some its their only source of meat ,thats a different story.I dont think people are starving in Minn/Wisc because they cant spear pike walleye and musky.To many regulations are broken to continue this mockery as an excuse for tradition in our present country.0723
We should shut down fishing then as multiple regulations are broken every year. No one is starving so they don't need angling harvest. Not to mention eliminating boating and fishing would eliminate the invasive species threat to the nation, reduce pollution etc. |
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| Pointerpride102 - 1/2/2014 10:14 PM
0723 - 1/2/2014 8:14 PM
Spearing was a tradition of harvest to eat.This is not a problem in 2014 in minnesota or wisconsin.Now in Alaska the eskimo spear/hunt seals ,for some its their only source of meat ,thats a different story.I dont think people are starving in Minn/Wisc because they cant spear pike walleye and musky.To many regulations are broken to continue this mockery as an excuse for tradition in our present country.0723
We should shut down fishing then as multiple regulations are broken every year. No one is starving so they don't need angling harvest. Not to mention eliminating boating and fishing would eliminate the invasive species threat to the nation, reduce pollution etc. |
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| Pointerpride102 - 1/2/2014 10:06 PM
Ja Rule - 1/2/2014 6:54 PM
0723 - 1/2/2014 6:13 PM
I am against spearing,netting,and even bow and arrow fishing .I dont believe this is sportsmanship,just plain harvest.I dont have a problem with fishing and harvest either,just politics instead of sportsmanship.I think this whole reason people are allowed to spear, is political as in political correctness ,but that is only my opinion.I think the spearing in general would be outlawed all together world wide, if it did not benefit a certain group.0723
You say you don't mind people harvesting fish by hook and line, but you do by spear? This makes no sense to me, harvest is harvest. Actually the majority of your post makes no sense so I'm not sure why I bother.
You just had to, didn't you.
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Location: The desert | 0723 - 1/2/2014 9:17 PM
Pointerpride102 - 1/2/2014 10:14 PM
0723 - 1/2/2014 8:14 PM
Spearing was a tradition of harvest to eat.This is not a problem in 2014 in minnesota or wisconsin.Now in Alaska the eskimo spear/hunt seals ,for some its their only source of meat ,thats a different story.I dont think people are starving in Minn/Wisc because they cant spear pike walleye and musky.To many regulations are broken to continue this mockery as an excuse for tradition in our present country.0723
We should shut down fishing then as multiple regulations are broken every year. No one is starving so they don't need angling harvest. Not to mention eliminating boating and fishing would eliminate the invasive species threat to the nation, reduce pollution etc. All catch and release I will go along with that.If your caught its a felony.Electric motors for boating sounds good too.This might be some of the smartest things you have ever said here,good job guy.0723
So what you enjoy is ok even if some break the rules and should still be allowed, but what others may enjoy shouldnt be allowed because you don't like it and a few may break the rules? Great philosophy.
No catch and release. People could still break the rules. Electric motors only doesn't minimize the AIS threat.
Also, all hunting should be banned. Firearms confiscated. People break the rules.
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| 0723 - 1/2/2014 10:11 PM
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Ja Rule - 1/2/2014 7:54 PM
0723 - 1/2/2014 6:13 PM
I am against spearing,netting,and even bow and arrow fishing .I dont believe this is sportsmanship,just plain harvest.I dont have a problem with fishing and harvest either,just politics instead of sportsmanship.I think this whole reason people are allowed to spear, is political as in political correctness ,but that is only my opinion.I think the spearing in general would be outlawed all together world wide, if it did not benefit a certain group.0723
You say you don't mind people harvesting fish by hook and line, but you do by spear? This makes no sense to me, harvest is harvest. Actually the majority of your post makes no sense so I'm not sure why I bother. Spearing harvest is not fishing harvest.What dont you understand?Spearing is 100 percent harvest there is no live release.I said I dont have problem with harvest not 100 percent of your catch to keep.'A certain group spears and , bottom line no politican is going to cross them if he/she stands a chance to run for bigger office someday.I dont know why i bother to explain the obvious to you maybe you are a pol too.0723 yes i did! |
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| Pointerpride102 - 1/2/2014 10:31 PM
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0723 - 1/2/2014 8:14 PM
Spearing was a tradition of harvest to eat.This is not a problem in 2014 in minnesota or wisconsin.Now in Alaska the eskimo spear/hunt seals ,for some its their only source of meat ,thats a different story.I dont think people are starving in Minn/Wisc because they cant spear pike walleye and musky.To many regulations are broken to continue this mockery as an excuse for tradition in our present country.0723
We should shut down fishing then as multiple regulations are broken every year. No one is starving so they don't need angling harvest. Not to mention eliminating boating and fishing would eliminate the invasive species threat to the nation, reduce pollution etc. All catch and release I will go along with that.If your caught its a felony.Electric motors for boating sounds good too.This might be some of the smartest things you have ever said here,good job guy.0723
So what you enjoy is ok even if some break the rules and should still be allowed, but what others may enjoy shouldnt be allowed because you don't like it and a few may break the rules? Great philosophy.
No catch and release. People could still break the rules. Electric motors only doesn't minimize the AIS threat.
Also, all hunting should be banned. Firearms confiscated. People break the rules.
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Location: minocqua, wi. | 0723 - 1/2/2014 6:42 PM
The big problem is most will spear anything that goes by.0723
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| A few in the cass area and its not pretty.The biggest thing for all of you is if you spear an undersized fish or wrong fish thats it no release.0723 |
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| As someone who loves to spear and muskie fish i guess im a bit of an oddball but the one thing i do agree with many of you on is the MN darkhouse assocation leadership is a joke, i am embarrassed that many of them represent me as a spearer. I believe that they are a very poor representation of what most spearers are, i have a few friends who are chapter leaders they like myself pratice look and release we are regulary taking video of large fish instead of spearing them and spearing smaller fish for the dinner table. Unfortunately the few mostly old school guys who will spear everything have given most of us a bad name and have giving darkhouse spearing a black eye. I think over time the darkhouse assoc and the muskie inc groups will get along but it will take time and will take new leadership. Unfortunately people like 0723 who dont like something so they think it should be banned will fuel the darkhouse assoc even further to want to spear muskie to rub it in muskie fishermans faces. When sportsmans group fight eachother like muskies inc and the darkhouse assoc have no one wins and everyone looses. |
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Location: The desert | 0723 - 1/2/2014 9:38 PM
Pointerpride102 - 1/2/2014 10:31 PM
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0723 - 1/2/2014 8:14 PM
Spearing was a tradition of harvest to eat.This is not a problem in 2014 in minnesota or wisconsin.Now in Alaska the eskimo spear/hunt seals ,for some its their only source of meat ,thats a different story.I dont think people are starving in Minn/Wisc because they cant spear pike walleye and musky.To many regulations are broken to continue this mockery as an excuse for tradition in our present country.0723
We should shut down fishing then as multiple regulations are broken every year. No one is starving so they don't need angling harvest. Not to mention eliminating boating and fishing would eliminate the invasive species threat to the nation, reduce pollution etc. All catch and release I will go along with that.If your caught its a felony.Electric motors for boating sounds good too.This might be some of the smartest things you have ever said here,good job guy.0723
So what you enjoy is ok even if some break the rules and should still be allowed, but what others may enjoy shouldnt be allowed because you don't like it and a few may break the rules? Great philosophy.
No catch and release. People could still break the rules. Electric motors only doesn't minimize the AIS threat.
Also, all hunting should be banned. Firearms confiscated. People break the rules.
We have had these conversations on here forever. I love when people like you dont agree with someone ,and than act like a crazed tea party member saying their taking our guns.Just get over yourself.The rest of us have.0723
I'm going to need a gibberish to English translation for this one. I haven't the foggiest idea what you're trying to say here. My guess is you don't really know what you're talking about either. |
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| jonnysled - 1/2/2014 10:44 PM
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The big problem is most will spear anything that goes by.0723
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i was asking you 0723 …
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Spearing was a tradition of harvest to eat.This is not a problem in 2014 in minnesota or wisconsin.Now in Alaska the eskimo spear/hunt seals ,for some its their only source of meat ,thats a different story.I dont think people are starving in Minn/Wisc because they cant spear pike walleye and musky.To many regulations are broken to continue this mockery as an excuse for tradition in our present country.0723
We should shut down fishing then as multiple regulations are broken every year. No one is starving so they don't need angling harvest. Not to mention eliminating boating and fishing would eliminate the invasive species threat to the nation, reduce pollution etc. All catch and release I will go along with that.If your caught its a felony.Electric motors for boating sounds good too.This might be some of the smartest things you have ever said here,good job guy.0723
So what you enjoy is ok even if some break the rules and should still be allowed, but what others may enjoy shouldnt be allowed because you don't like it and a few may break the rules? Great philosophy.
No catch and release. People could still break the rules. Electric motors only doesn't minimize the AIS threat.
Also, all hunting should be banned. Firearms confiscated. People break the rules.
We have had these conversations on here forever. I love when people like you dont agree with someone ,and than act like a crazed tea party member saying their taking our guns.Just get over yourself.The rest of us have.0723
I'm going to need a gibberish to English translation for this one. I haven't the foggiest idea what you're trying to say here. My guess is you don't really know what you're talking about either.
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^ yup bigdog
i was asking you 0723 … I know a few and it aint pretty.I told you that.I reeled in the big dog Mr Ja Obama hes the big dog here in the internet world.0723 |
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| Pointerpride102 - 1/2/2014 11:10 PM
So your beef with spearing is what again? There are no releases for mistakes made on size and species when you spear a fish.To easy to say I thought it was a pike than take a musky or walleye home.0723
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| jonnysled - 1/2/2014 11:18 PM
i think he heard everyone just chucks spears at anything that moves … I think everybody here knows thats the truth.You must be a spear man too.I hope pike only.0723 |
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| Hey Einstein this is not a spelling bee or term paper if you dont understand dont respond but dont act like your some gifted student from the north.0723
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Location: minocqua, wi. | family and friends and i have been spearing since i was a kid … it's a sport not unlike most other outdoor sports. i enjoy it and expect that won't be disrupted in my lifetime. i also catch big pike through the ice and release the bigger ones, harvest fish, have a great fish-batter recipe and put lots of meals on the table throughout the year by various means. fish and venison are staples in my house and we respect the sports and their rules without telling others they are right or wrong for doing things within the laws and regulations.
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Location: The desert | 0723 - 1/2/2014 10:19 PM
Pointerpride102 - 1/2/2014 11:10 PM
So your beef with spearing is what again? There are no releases for mistakes made on size and species when you spear a fish.To easy to say I thought it was a pike than take a musky or walleye home.0723
Isn't it equally as easy to keep an over/under sized fish using hook and line? Or to keep an over limit? People break laws, it's a fact of life. You can't lump an entire group because you've heard a few are bad.
Harvest is harvest, it really doesn't matter how it happens. Why are you so against harvest? You do know fish taste good, right? If I go out and keep a limit of pike how is that any different than Sled going out and spearing a limit of pike? |
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| Pointerpride102 - 1/2/2014 11:34 PM
0723 - 1/2/2014 10:19 PM
Pointerpride102 - 1/2/2014 11:10 PM
So your beef with spearing is what again? There are no releases for mistakes made on size and species when you spear a fish.To easy to say I thought it was a pike than take a musky or walleye home.0723
Isn't it equally as easy to keep an over/under sized fish using hook and line? Or to keep an over limit? People break laws, it's a fact of life. You can't lump an entire group because you've heard a few are bad.
Harvest is harvest, it really doesn't matter how it happens. Why are you so against harvest? You do know fish taste good, right? If I go out and keep a limit of pike how is that any different than Sled going out and spearing a limit of pike? |
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Location: The desert | Please enlighten me as to who does most of the spearing in MN and WI? Are you referring to Native Americans? |
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Location: minocqua, wi. | i know musky guys who used to hang pike on their deck cleats by the gils after incidental catches of northern pike while musky fishing … does that make all musky fishermen disrespectful of pike? and if you say that sort of thing doesn't happen then you're more delusional than you project on your own (which is pretty hard to do).
what spearing are you referencing that has a size limit?
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| Pointerpride102 - 1/2/2014 11:54 PM
Please enlighten me as to who does most of the spearing in MN and WI? Are you referring to Native Americans? No its the irish.0723 |
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Location: minocqua, wi. | 0723 = your take on WI Sturgeon Spearing and the Management of that Resource? please … tell me what you "hear" |
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| jonnysled - 1/2/2014 11:57 PM
i know musky guys who used to hang pike on their deck cleats by the gils after incidental catches of northern pike while musky fishing … does that make all musky fishermen disrespectful of pike? and if you say that sort of thing doesn't happen then you're more delusional than you project on your own (which is pretty hard to do).
what spearing are you referencing that has a size limit?
Yes i think most musky fisherman disrepect pike,I think its wrong too.0723 |
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Location: minocqua, wi. | so, that same group is now the authority on a group that has managed to survive for decades harvesting and managing the resource that most musky fishermen disrespect? for fear that they don't know how to tell the difference between a pike and a musky?? and which group should drive policy?? |
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| jonnysled - 1/2/2014 11:59 PM
0723 = your take on WI Sturgeon Spearing and the Management of that Resource? please … tell me what you "hear" Sled you have your own made up fantasy world about all the do-gooders spearing so you are going to believe what you want to anyways.0723 |
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| jonnysled - 1/3/2014 12:04 AM
so, that same group is now the authority on a group that has managed to survive for decades harvesting and managing the resource that most musky fishermen disrespect? for fear that they don't know how to tell the difference between a pike and a musky?? and which group should drive policy?? I didnt say any group should control anything, just spearing has no business in todays world.0723 |
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Location: The desert | 0723 - 1/2/2014 10:58 PM
Pointerpride102 - 1/2/2014 11:54 PM
Please enlighten me as to who does most of the spearing in MN and WI? Are you referring to Native Americans? No its the irish.0723
You do know that a good percentage of spearers on Minnesota are white, right? |
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| jonnysled - 1/3/2014 12:04 AM
so, that same group is now the authority on a group that has managed to survive for decades harvesting and managing the resource that most musky fishermen disrespect? for fear that they don't know how to tell the difference between a pike and a musky?? and which group should drive policy??
Neither group, checks and balances. I like muskie fishing more, but will not bash spearing.... tough spot. Why tough because yes I will get angry if muskie guys say no spearing. Spearing was here first for the most part. Muskie fisherman are tampering with old time ways.... fact! We stocked muskies in lakes and based on this most muskie lakes now have pike slot limits, albeit to protect the pike and add monsters. However, muskie fishing is taking off, brings money, brings people from out of state, catch and release so fish are there, and since the outdoors world is asking for it.... also has a place.
You can easily do both and spearing here isn't common enough to hurt pike populations where I live...plenty of fish! Plenty of lakes to make both parties happy. The problem is all or nothing thinking... I think we should have well populated muskie lakes and not push or take over all the lakes room for both. Also, I personally am not too worried here about spear guys spearing too many muskies.... I would say we should not spear muskies though. Heck northerns were the orinignal fish here so stick with them.... unless you start you have certain lakes and new interest specifically for spearing muskies. |
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| 0723 - 1/2/2014 11:19 PM
Pointerpride102 - 1/2/2014 11:10 PM
So your beef with spearing is what again? There are no releases for mistakes made on size and species when you spear a fish.To easy to say I thought it was a pike than take a musky or walleye home.0723
0723 We do not have too much problem in Minnesota with people spearing the wrong fish, however we can't keep what we spear here we have to put it back, albeit dead if inside the slot limit or wrong fish..... Minnesota does this so people would "accidentally" spear a wrong fish.... I always wondered about throwing away good dead fish, but maybe it does prevent more people from illegal spearing... |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | 0723, you made your point as well as you are going to make it.
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| I think Illinois is a different ball game. We have 4 Muskie lakes within an hour of us.... hundreds of none muskie lakes within 30 minutes and no muskie lakes I won't comment on that Illinois because totally different ball game... interesting info and points of view from a different state guys! |
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| 0723 - 1/2/2014 11:05 PM
" I know a few and it aint pretty.I told you that.I reeled in the big dog Mr Ja Obama hes the big dog here in the internet world.0723"
Ha, yup, you got me. Once again I'm not sure why we respond, this guy is doing a fine job of making himself look like an nice try on his own.
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Location: minocqua, wi. | you accurately represent the image many have of Musky Fishermen 0723 … |
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| jonnysled - 1/3/2014 8:02 AM
you accurately represent the image many have of Musky Fishermen 0723 … If it means caring about a precious resource and not afraid to talk about it even if its not pc in this day and age ,than you are spot on.Musky fisherman care more about our limited resource than any other fishing group.0723
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Location: minocqua, wi. | or you could spend time in the woods, on the water and ice with sportsmen to form your own opinion … i see where the "i hear" part of your argument comes from. you're a good disciple.
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Location: The desert | 0723 - 1/3/2014 7:49 AM
Pointerpride102 - 1/3/2014 8:31 AM
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jonnysled - 1/3/2014 8:02 AM
you accurately represent the image many have of Musky Fishermen 0723 … If it means caring about a precious resource and not afraid to talk about it even if its not pc in this day and age ,than you are spot on.Musky fisherman care more about our limited resource than any other fishing group.0723
Do you have any facts to back up your claims or are you just going to be the anecdotal king on this topic? Stat man college is over ,there arent any stats on caring its real,its in peoples heart, and on there face not on a spread sheet, book, or computer so you probably wont understand it.Go to a few muskie inc meetings you will see it in person.0723
Sorry, the world deals with facts. When you make claims that there are tons of people breaking the law, you need to back up that claim with facts. Otherwise you're just spouting off nonsense. You are most certainly entitled to your opinion, but not your own facts. And don't be surprised when your opinion is laughed at when facts do not support your opinion.
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Location: Chisholm, MN | Here's a little good news for you guys. I was told yesterday by a friend who said his brother-in-law saw a small muskie while spearing. He was going to spear it and shake it off under the ice, but then he thought about what his brother-in-law (my muskie fishing friend) would think and let it go! So keep raising the issue with all your spearing buddies! Sometimes it actually helps!
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| Kirby Budrow - 1/3/2014 9:17 AM
Here's a little good news for you guys. I was told yesterday by a friend who said his brother-in-law saw a small muskie while spearing. He was going to spear it and shake it off under the ice, but then he thought about what his brother-in-law (my muskie fishing friend) would think and let it go! So keep raising the issue with all your spearing buddies! Sometimes it actually helps!
Raising the issue or having an intelligent discussion is a great idea. Going about it the way 0723 has been is the worst possible option. I've seen it for many many years here in MI with our states Darkhouse Association, as have many of you with the tribal spearing. Crap like this from 0723 just makes it so much harder for the people out there actually trying to make a difference. |
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| Like I said before, I really don't know much about spearing as I have never done it. But presuming you can see and tell the difference between musky and pike, is it really that difficult to tell what size fish you are spearing? With the use of decoys, I'd think it would be simple. Let's say your decoy is 18" long, for example. If you aren't allowed to spear fish under 18" (not sure what the size restrictions are), it should be pretty simple to look down and see that the fish in the hole is smaller than your decoy. Like I said, I've never done it, so I really don't know.
Like others have said - harvest is harvest. A speared fish is no less dead than one that gets caught and thrown in the livewell, or thrown on the ice. As long as the size/slot/creel regulations reflect a sustainable amount of harvest, what's the difference? Is it any worse than the guys who gout fishing a limit out Saturday, fill the freezer, and then go out Sunday and do the same thing?
We harvest what we plan to eat that day, and maybe take one or two for the freezer. That's just what we feel is the right thing to do. I'm sure not going to tell anyone else they are wrong unless they are breaking the law. That I have a problem with. Undersized fish, over limit, out of season, whatever... No excuse for that. But as long as you are following the regulations, who cares? Fisheries are managed for harvest, and that includes muskies. |
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| Actually it can be a bit difficult sometimes the fish fly in especially if not an experienced spear person. If you jig the decoy too much they can come in fast, hence you need a fast reaction no time to think. The good spears spin the decoy twice and let it sit.... for quite a while (say 15 minutes)... the fish will creep in... even that said not always... add muskies equals more patience.
Our deal is we are members of the spear house association and the vice president here is ticked and wants all muskies gone. That is way over board.... why bring it up to us, he knows we have a muske lure shop and love it. Politically we might have to drop making spear decoys....
Yep, I will still spear and in none muskie lakes... if it ruins sales oh well, but probably a bad idea to sell decoys.
I have to say my band wagon is with promoting muskies and stocking I do not agree that they are causing too much harm to spearers and muskies bring in money and heck a ton of fun!!!
Hate to do it but probably dropping spear house association. Haven't decided yet....of course being an advocate amongst them for muskies may be worth the hassel |
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| Couldnt agree more Nell, i would love to see more muskie lakes stocked, one funny thing is more non spearers are against muskie stocking then anyone, look at some of these lake assoc memebers....ill stop there. I speared a muskie lake this year for the first time and it was a blast water was clear so its very very easy to tell the difference muskies almost look like ghosts coming into the hole where as the pike are much darker. I had 5+ skies come though the afternoon i went and every single one just passed though did a very quick look at the decoy and kept going where as the pike do the slow roll in to check it out. Many others i have talked with that have speared muskie lakes say the exact samething they react very different when coming in. |
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| bigdogg2278 - 1/3/2014 1:20 PM
Couldnt agree more Nell, i would love to see more muskie lakes stocked, one funny thing is more non spearers are against muskie stocking then anyone, look at some of these lake assoc memebers....ill stop there. I speared a muskie lake this year for the first time and it was a blast water was clear so its very very easy to tell the difference muskies almost look like ghosts coming into the hole where as the pike are much darker. I had 5+ skies come though the afternoon i went and every single one just passed though did a very quick look at the decoy and kept going where as the pike do the slow roll in to check it out. Many others i have talked with that have speared muskie lakes say the exact samething they react very different when coming in.
Awesome info, good opinion to share when debating this one! Thanks! |
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Location: oswego, il | What I have learned through all of this is that spearing and rice have something in common. |
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Location: Smith Creek | ToddM - 1/3/2014 3:21 PM
What I have learned through all of this is that spearing and rice have something in common.
Better with chicken?
Often thrown at weddings?
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Location: minocqua, wi. | i'm not sure i like the idea of killing chickens
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| What ever became of the ceded territory spearing violations in 2011-2012? bill r |
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Location: minocqua, wi. | show you know something and start a new thread. this one is about dark-house pike spearing. the two are light-years apart. |
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| jonnysled - 1/3/2014 5:13 PM
show you know something and start a new thread. this one is about dark-house pike spearing. the two are light-years apart. I thought it was about chicken.0723 |
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Location: minocqua, wi. | you might have a career in the basement … good form! |
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| Well the 12 lakes that got opened were blessed by the DNR. I agree that the political arena is a bad spot for wildlife regulation. Some that are voting couldn't tell the difference between a walleye and a catfish. The problem lately is the DNR commissioner wants everything to go through the legislature. Also hating spearers is wrong. There are some very good sportsmen who spear. With that said the leadership of the MDAA is a problem. I can't understand why the guy who does this sport let the inmates control the asylum? I have heard with my own two ears the desire of the Leadership of the MDAA to spear muskies. "They do it in Michigan and they got the record ". This years agenda is opening border waters. My guess the rest of the closed lakes as well.
To the original question, it's ok to sell both muskie baits and spear decoys. Some guys do both. Spearing can be a great management tool if done correctly, removing some of the small pike population. And yes there is a majority doing just that. So yes someday I see a future with dogs getting along with cats. |
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Location: Elko - Lake Vermilion | This thread has convinced me to go spearing with a few of my N.Mn. Buddies,..... But they are all White.....I hope they can teach me the right way of Spearing. |
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Location: Watertown, MN | Nell hit it on the head, the leadership of MDAA is the cause of bad blood, the stop the stocking of new muskie lakes, they force there agenda through politician and not the desire of Fisheries Management. The dont promote sustainable fisheries. I know many musky fisherman that spear, the big issue is caused by the figure heads that run MDAA and have not stepped into the 20th century, Spearing is fine, but dont blame the lack of trophy pike becuase u would accept slots, and other management practices to ensure a healthy pike fishery. Spearing does have a big impact of big pike, the data showed how many trophy pike are harvest by spearers, it far ootways the angler harvest, so we will see how Cass is when all the big pike are gone. Good managemen=Good Fisheries, a practice that the MDAA does not believe in.
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| Like Troyz post!!! Me and my husband went over this post... he decided to step in politically, possibly. The vice president of the dark house association is a good friend of ours and he went off for a few minutes about getting muskies gone. What I learned from this thread is helpful. Main thing....sorry guys.... is people get heated... my husband is going to roll with the all or nothing thinking. The spear association up here is all or nothing.... from the head guys.
Argument I gathered from this and experience. Our spearing equipment $500 bucks good to go. Our muskie equipment..... ahhhh let's not go there... ha ha needless to say we will make way more business wise on muskie lures/rods for sale. You push the muskie guys by getting nasty and fire them up.... all or nothing money, backing, support... we are talking nasty battle and money talks. He plans to explain muskie guys A. Throw northern and muskie back typically.... and are not in enough lakes to majorly hurt spearing. B. We have caught more monster pike on slot limit lakes making the managed pike/muskie lakes a plus for the spearers going for trophies.... there is an advantage and typically muskie guys throw pike back. We threw SEVERAL seven pounders, two or three ten pounders and a monster 20 pounder back last couple years. Ohhhh eeee I would like to spear that 20 pounder myself and if I simply want fish for dinner plenty of lakes. Stomp on the muskie guys they have the money backing as lots of out of state guys come here to fish, sell more lures/supplies, and spend a lot of money in our state, money talks and if you work with them to support our outdoors community good things can happen. Will keep you guys posted... this is personally my stance. Decided to keep the decoys after alll as well. |
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| Top H2O - 1/3/2014 10:47 PM
This thread has convinced me to go spearing with a few of my N.Mn. Buddies,..... But they are all White.....I hope they can teach me the right way of Spearing.
Hey now I am white and so is my Dad.... the spearing in winter isn't so much natives... it is for everyone. My Dad spears a 20 plus pounder every year he has a nifty clear none muskie lake. He let's the little guys go... it is a blast! He is good too, he taught me all the tricks, even swearing when you miss one lmao....
Where he is spearing now I seen a beauty 30 feet down and I don't think I will ever see a pike that big again... sorry spearing is sport our hearts where hammering she was PRETTY and she wasn't coming up.... smart lady pike! (this may fire people up) Also "supposedly" the MN DNR tagged a record northern pike in the lake he spears at (they caught it in the net and released her with a tag) My Dad claims a buddy got her to the boat on line and she got off right at the boat.... guess where he put his spear house? Yep where that guy hooked up with her. I see the spearing still as same challenge there. Be awesome if he spears her but you know those fish or mystical creatures are that never seem to get caught/speared they only toy with you. |
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| Nell - 1/4/2014 10:32 AM
Top H2O - 1/3/2014 10:47 PM
This thread has convinced me to go spearing with a few of my N.Mn. Buddies,..... But they are all White.....I hope they can teach me the right way of Spearing.
Hey now I am white and so is my Dad.... the spearing in winter isn't so much natives... it is for everyone. My Dad spears a 20 plus pounder every year he has a nifty clear none muskie lake. He let's the little guys go... it is a blast! He is good too, he taught me all the tricks, even swearing when you miss one lmao....
Where he is spearing now I seen a beauty 30 feet down and I don't think I will ever see a pike that big again... sorry spearing is sport our hearts where hammering she was PRETTY and she wasn't coming up.... smart lady pike! (this may fire people up ) Also "supposedly" the MN DNR tagged a record northern pike in the lake he spears at (they caught it in the net and released her with a tag ) My Dad claims a buddy got her to the boat on line and she got off right at the boat.... guess where he put his spear house? Yep where that guy hooked up with her. I see the spearing still as same challenge there. Be awesome if he spears her but you know those fish or mystical creatures are that never seem to get caught/speared they only toy with you.
NEVER thought about this but this post here of mine proves something. My Dad taught me to spear but not to muskie fish. The up coming generation, like myself, or outdoor enthusiasts seem to me to be reeled in more on muskies... getyong more of today's youth out there. BTW I am teaching my Dad to muskie fish now a days. Slow going but he seen one huge monster last year... by all his sputtering I think he is sold! |
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| That is the true reasoning behind what the MDAA is doing, they see muskie fishing growing and spearing dieing. So the big 3 of the MDAA do everything they can to hurt the sport of muskie fishing but in turn it also ruins spearing. Some day someone with some guts will take the MDAA in the right direction. |
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| The "Dark House Assc." boils my blood. I have to calm down before I reply. 21st century and we still consider this sport. |
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| I dont have a problem with spearing but I do have a problem with spearing Muskies. I also have a problem with people keeping any muskie during the open season whether its legal or not. Spearing or Harvesting Muskie will only hurt every angler and the economy in their areas in the long run.
Think of it as a poor snow season. Nobody travels up north during the winter to snowmobile when there is no snow, which in turn really hurts the locals pockets. When muskie fishing becomes that poor the same thing will happen. Thousands of people that normally spend thousands each per year muskie fishing will no longer waste the time or money chasing something that isn't there.
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Corso Mike - 1/4/2014 12:14 PM
The "Dark House Assc." boils my blood. I have to calm down before I reply. 21st century and we still consider this sport.
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Location: minocqua, wi. | sworrall - 1/4/2014 10:58 PM
Corso Mike - 1/4/2014 12:14 PM
The "Dark House Assc." boils my blood. I have to calm down before I reply. 21st century and we still consider this sport.
A considerable political lobby says exactly the same thing about hunting and fishing. be careful.
I've said it before … the Musky Zealots might possibly legislate themselves out of their own sport for the superior minds they provide to anyone that might enjoy the water in another way. |
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| sworrall - 1/4/2014 10:58 PM
Corso Mike - 1/4/2014 12:14 PM
The "Dark House Assc." boils my blood. I have to calm down before I reply. 21st century and we still consider this sport.
A considerable political lobby says exactly the same thing ouabout hunting and fishing. be careful.
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sworrall - 1/4/2014 10:58 PM
Corso Mike - 1/4/2014 12:14 PM
The "Dark House Assc." boils my blood. I have to calm down before I reply. 21st century and we still consider this sport.
A considerable political lobby says exactly the same thing ouabout hunting and fishing. be careful. One of the first things I said in a reply to this post,is all these decisions are polictical.Firearm hunting will most likely be banned in twenty years if not sooner.Spearing and fishing will never be banned ,and the reason is both of these activities are enjoyed by many liberals in society today.Hunting is enjoyed mainly by conservative groups.The liberals are already planting the seed via hollywood going after Duck Dynasty and their conseravitve views, its only the beginning for the ban on gun hunting. 0723
I apologize for continuing to veer away from the original topic, but IMHO this whole "anti" movement began with Walt Disney's "Bambi". Animals were given human qualities ( and they were so cute), while hunters and the like were portrayed as "If it moves kill it, if it don't burn it" villains. |
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| How many young people hunt and fish with technology? It seems to me the outdoors is effected. I don't see a ton of issue on conservation here. I am all for conserving our resources.
Yeah some can't stand say duck dynastsy. I myself was politically incorrect. (I am female) A women asked me so you shot and killed a deer. Me: Yes I was lucky to get one I live venision. She asked me something about getting it home. I said well I had to gut it and process it. She got this look and flipped out on me for telling her that. *cringes * I didn't think I just responded to her question.
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A ban on Hunting ? Huh ? really,.....
start your own Thread,...Keep on topic here,....
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Location: oswego, il | Hunting wont be banned, it brings in alot of money. Conceal and carry is growing, Bill I don't see how you can make statements like that unless your listening to biased radio shows who manipulate the truth. Phil is both brilliant and nuts. To all us single guys go out and marry you a 15 year old cause she will be a gold digger by the time she is 20.
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| Top H2O - 1/5/2014 12:45 PM
o723,
A ban on Hunting ? Huh ? really,.....
start your own Thread,...Keep on topic here,....
Spearing is a personal preference,....I'm going to learn how to do it,....But I won't go for the Big Pike or Muskisoes. If you read the post I was replying to Steve Worrals comment that there is a political lobby againist fishing and hunting .Another thing if you want to disagree with me fine ,but who in the hell do you think you are to tell me start my own thread?Are you a new super moderator here ?Some of you guys need to come back earth here at muskyfirst.0723
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| Pointerpride102 - 1/5/2014 1:13 PM
This is the dumbest thread ever. And there have been some really dumb ones in this site's history. Why cause you are for spearing and think you run this sight?You got the most one way person in internet history.0723 |
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| ToddM - 1/5/2014 1:05 PM
Hunting wont be banned, it brings in alot of money. Conceal and carry is growing, Bill I don't see how you can make statements like that unless your listening to biased radio shows who manipulate the truth. Phil is both brilliant and nuts. Tonall us single guys go out and marry you a 15 year old cause she will be a gold digger by the time she is 20. Todd I hope your right but I wouldnt be surprised if you see this gaining momentum very soon.0723
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If you read the post I was replying to Steve Worrals comment that there is a political lobby againist fishing and hunting .Another thing if you want to disagree with me fine ,but who in the hell do you think you are to tell me start my own thread?Are you a new super moderator here ?Some of you guys need to come back earth here at muskyfirst.0723
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Location: Elko - Lake Vermilion | 0723 - 1/5/2014 1:37 PM
Top H2O - 1/5/2014 12:45 PM
o723,
A ban on Hunting ? Huh ? really,.....
start your own Thread,...Keep on topic here,....
Spearing is a personal preference,....I'm going to learn how to do it,....But I won't go for the Big Pike or Muskisoes. If you read the post I was replying to Steve Worrals comment that there is a political lobby againist fishing and hunting .Another thing if you want to disagree with me fine ,but who in the hell do you think you are to tell me start my own thread?Are you a new super moderator here ?Some of you guys need to come back earth here at muskyfirst.0723
Usually when someone starts a thread, about spearing they would like to have a discussion about Spearing....Not about banning Hunting.
You should visit the Basement,.. Some topics down there that would fit your Ideals/Personality. Maybe start with the Banning Guns Thread on page 2
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| jonnysled - 1/5/2014 1:58 PM
If you read the post I was replying to Steve Worrals comment that there is a political lobby againist fishing and hunting .Another thing if you want to disagree with me fine ,but who in the hell do you think you are to tell me start my o thread?Are you a new super moderator here ?Some of you guys need to come back earth here at muskyfirst.0723
get your pro-staff jersey and hat and get ready for your pro-staff aisle-walking season superstar.[/QUOTE ]That proves you dont know me.I wont be in an aisle and fished out of an old marauder with a 40 horse.I I wont back down from here and I wont let you beittle me because,you like a few othet think you own this site.SO go type something back you internet superstar a real hero behind the screen.
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Location: minocqua, wi. | i think Steve may have eliminated one of our more capable liberal minds or at least sent him to the penalty box again, so we may need another player but i think 0723 would get destroyed down there. |
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| jonnysled - 1/5/2014 2:32 PM
i think Steve may have eliminated one of our more capable liberal minds or at least sent him to the penalty box again, so we may need another player but i think 0723 would get destroyed down there. Sled you are way closer to a liberal than me by your spearing habbits alone.0723
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| jonnysled - 1/5/2014 2:34 PM
i don't think i could do anything that would compare to what you are doing yourself …
best to just watch a train-wreck when it's happening. I called and you dont like it and I didnt post guest or back down from you here snd that bothers you.0723
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Location: The desert | 0723 - 1/5/2014 1:35 PM
jonnysled - 1/5/2014 2:32 PM
i think Steve may have eliminated one of our more capable liberal minds or at least sent him to the penalty box again, so we may need another player but i think 0723 would get destroyed down there. Sled you are way closer to a liberal than me by your spearing habbits alone.0723
Based on his spelling habits alone, he's also much smarter than you. |
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Location: The desert | 0723 - 1/5/2014 1:38 PM
jonnysled - 1/5/2014 2:34 PM
i don't think i could do anything that would compare to what you are doing yourself …
best to just watch a train-wreck when it's happening. I called and you dont like it and I didnt post guest or back down from you here snd that bothers you.0723
That's because you can't post as guest anymore. Try and keep up.
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Location: minocqua, wi. | 0723 … maybe try hiding your buttons.
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| Pointerpride102 - 1/5/2014 2:41 PM
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i don't think i could do anything that would compare to what you are doing yourself …
best to just watch a train-wreck when it's happening. I called and you dont like it and I didnt post guest or back down from you here snd that bothers you.0723
That's because you can't post as guest anymore. Try and keep up.
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Location: central Wisconsin | This is more entertaining than the Bengals/Chargers game. |
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Location: The desert | 0723 - 1/5/2014 1:47 PM
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i don't think i could do anything that would compare to what you are doing yourself …
best to just watch a train-wreck when it's happening. I called and you dont like it and I didnt post guest or back down from you here snd that bothers you.0723
That's because you can't post as guest anymore. Try and keep up.
Never post as guest.I did some stat checking to mr brain power boy. JUNIOR COLLEGE100. % applicants accept. Wisconsin stephens point 76%applicants accepted so you are not that bright according to you stats.You said yourself you need stats to back it up there they are boy
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Thanks for proving my point for me. I haven't even the foggiest idea what you are trying to prove with your "stats".
Stephens Point? Where is that?
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| However you want to say it,spin,or spell it.76 % of all who apply are accepted which means just about anyone with GED or High School Dipolma can go there if they want retard their education.0723 |
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| DLC - 1/5/2014 3:13 PM
See, this is why the MDAA wins. They're smarter than muskie fishermen. :( We need to send our kids to better schools I agree.0723 |
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Location: minocqua, wi. | 0723 - 1/5/2014 3:12 PM
However you want to say it,spin,or spell it.76 % of all who apply are accepted which means just about anyone with GED or High School Dipolma can go there if they want retard their education.0723
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Location: The desert | 0723 - 1/5/2014 2:12 PM
However you want to say it,spin,or spell it.76 % of all who apply are accepted which means just about anyone with GED or High School Dipolma can go there if they want retard their education.0723
"The University of Wisconsin-Stevens Point College of Natural Resources is widely regarded as the nation’s leading undergraduate natural resource program. The strength of our program lies in its interdisciplinary approach and emphasis on hands-on field experiences. "
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Location: The desert | 0723 - 1/5/2014 2:20 PM
I have a college degree.Com 101, 102 were all that were required and I finished those classes first two semesters.What kind out education level did you complete SLed Head?0723
From where? What discipline?
Also, your "stats" are from 2012. I did not attend in 2012. I'm sure you already knew that though. |
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i dropped out of school and live a pretty tough life ... I hope things work out for you and your family AND I really mean that.0723 |
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| Pointerpride102 - 1/5/2014 3:25 PM
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I have a college degree.Com 101, 102 were all that were required and I finished those classes first two semesters.What kind out education level did you complete SLed Head?0723
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Location: minocqua, wi. | that's like having a Marketing Degree from anywhere USA … with the conclusion that you essentially paid the invoices to a school for 4 years.
i'd take the B.S. from UWSP over that …
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I have a college degree.Com 101, 102 were all that were required and I finished those classes first two semesters.What kind out education level did you complete SLed Head?0723
From where? What discipline?
Also, your "stats" are from 2012. I did not attend in 2012. I'm sure you already knew that though. I have a business degree from Ilinois State University.That doesnt matter though and I dont act like Im better than anyone cause of it.0723
You're the one who brought up schooling.
I've also got a Masters degree from Utah State (they're pretty well known for their NR program as well). But I'm sure that's too easy of a school to get into to count, right? |
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| jonnysled - 1/5/2014 3:35 PM
that's like having a Marketing Degree from anywhere USA … with the conclusion that you essentially paid the invoices to a school for 4 years.
i'd take the B.S. from UWSP over that …
i just consider myself fortunate that the kind people from illinois who musky fish choose to come to our town to support our local economy and the rest of us backwards idiots. without that, we'd all be screwed. Sled to each his own ,its just paper and dont make you better or smarter than the next guy. Maybe a little more fortunate.0723 |
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I have a college degree.Com 101, 102 were all that were required and I finished those classes first two semesters.What kind out education level did you complete SLed Head?0723
From where? What discipline?
Also, your "stats" are from 2012. I did not attend in 2012. I'm sure you already knew that though. I have a business degree from Ilinois State University.That doesnt matter though and I dont act like Im better than anyone cause of it.0723
You're the one who brought up schooling.
I've also got a Masters degree from Utah State (they're pretty well known for their NR program as well ). But I'm sure that's too easy of a school to get into to count, right? |
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| Sled how do you get a spearing degree?0723
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0723 - 1/5/2014 2:20 PM
I have a college degree.Com 101, 102 were all that were required and I finished those classes first two semesters.What kind out education level did you complete SLed Head?0723
From where? What discipline?
Also, your "stats" are from 2012. I did not attend in 2012. I'm sure you already knew that though. I have a business degree from Ilinois State University.That doesnt matter though and I dont act like Im better than anyone cause of it.0723
You're the one who brought up schooling.
I've also got a Masters degree from Utah State (they're pretty well known for their NR program as well ). But I'm sure that's too easy of a school to get into to count, right? Why would you go to Utah State?Were you not accepted anywhere else?You have a degree in the outdoors.Your not a doctor,lawyer,cpa,or engineer.You have a degree.0723
Because in my career field a BS and MS from the same institution isn't respected as much. Considered institutional inbreeding. You keep the same professors, same ideas etc. By going elsewhere you're exposed to different opinions, viewpoints and methods. Makes you a more well rounded student.
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The "Dark House Assc." boils my blood. I have to calm down before I reply. 21st century and we still consider this sport.
A considerable political lobby says exactly the same thing ouabout hunting and fishing. be careful. One of the first things I said in a reply to this post,is all these decisions are polictical.Firearm hunting will most likely be banned in twenty years if not sooner.Spearing and fishing will never be banned ,and the reason is both of these activities are enjoyed by many liberals in society today.Hunting is enjoyed mainly by conservative groups.The liberals are already planting the seed via hollywood going after Duck Dynasty and their conseravitve views, its only the beginning for the ban on gun hunting. 0723
I apologize for continuing to veer away from the original topic, but IMHO this whole "anti" movement began with Walt Disney's "Bambi". Animals were given human qualities ( and they were so cute ), while hunters and the like were portrayed as "If it moves kill it, if it don't burn it" villains.
Wish I hadn't fired up the computer yesterday. If you are feeding a family with what you spear you are taking care of a greater need. Hook and line you can be selective. Not that all return to the water to live out a full and happy life with their pike family. Some hammerhandles moms don't make it. |
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Corso Mike - 1/4/2014 12:14 PM
The "Dark House Assc." boils my blood. I have to calm down before I reply. 21st century and we still consider this sport.
A considerable political lobby says exactly the same thing ouabout hunting and fishing. be careful. One of the first things I said in a reply to this post,is all these decisions are polictical.Firearm hunting will most likely be banned in twenty years if not sooner.Spearing and fishing will never be banned ,and the reason is both of these activities are enjoyed by many liberals in society today.Hunting is enjoyed mainly by conservative groups.The liberals are already planting the seed via hollywood going after Duck Dynasty and their conseravitve views, its only the beginning for the ban on gun hunting. 0723
I apologize for continuing to veer away from the original topic, but IMHO this whole "anti" movement began with Walt Disney's "Bambi". Animals were given human qualities ( and they were so cute ), while hunters and the like were portrayed as "If it moves kill it, if it don't burn it" villains.
Wish I hadn't fired up the computer yesterday. If you are feeding a family with what you spear you are taking care of a greater need. Hook and line you can be selective. Not that all return to the water to live out a full and happy life with their pike family. Some hammerhandles moms don't make it. |
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Location: minocqua, wi. | people who harvest fish and game feed it to their families … spear or hook and line.
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| jonnysled - 1/5/2014 4:05 PM
people who harvest fish and game feed it to their families … spear or hook and line.
pike are delicious and better than pretty much anything but perch … Sled I truly am sorry if your family needs this food to survive.I will not post anymore negative posts towards you on this subject ever again.0723
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that's like having a Marketing Degree from anywhere USA … with the conclusion that you essentially paid the invoices to a school for 4 years.
i'd take the B.S. from UWSP over that …
i just consider myself fortunate that the kind people from illinois who musky fish choose to come to our town to support our local economy and the rest of us backwards idiots. without that, we'd all be screwed. sled once I retire Ill do you one better I will take my Illinois money and relocate and support the local economy,God willing of course.0723 |
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Classic.
Hey, didn't you knit those swim trunks out of the deer you shot? Times have been tough, good to see you learned how to knit. It wouldn't be right if you couldn't enjoy the beach.
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o723,
A ban on Hunting ? Huh ? really,.....
start your own Thread,...Keep on topic here,....
Spearing is a personal preference,....I'm going to learn how to do it,....But I won't go for the Big Pike or Muskisoes. If you read the post I was replying to Steve Worrals comment that there is a political lobby againist fishing and hunting .Another thing if you want to disagree with me fine ,but who in the hell do you think you are to tell me start my own thread?Are you a new super moderator here ?Some of you guys need to come back earth here at muskyfirst.0723
Usually when someone starts a thread, about spearing they would like to have a discussion about Spearing....Not about banning Hunting.
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o723,
A ban on Hunting ? Huh ? really,.....
start your own Thread,...Keep on topic here,....
Spearing is a personal preference,....I'm going to learn how to do it,....But I won't go for the Big Pike or Muskisoes. If you read the post I was replying to Steve Worrals comment that there is a political lobby againist fishing and hunting .Another thing if you want to disagree with me fine ,but who in the hell do you think you are to tell me start my own thread?Are you a new super moderator here ?Some of you guys need to come back earth here at muskyfirst.0723
Usually when someone starts a thread, about spearing they would like to have a discussion about Spearing....Not about banning Hunting.
You should visit the Basement,.. Some topics down there that would fit your Ideals/Personality. Maybe start with the Banning Guns Thread on page 2 Again worral brought this up.He is the boss here not you.0723
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o723,
A ban on Hunting ? Huh ? really,.....
start your own Thread,...Keep on topic here,....
Spearing is a personal preference,....I'm going to learn how to do it,....But I won't go for the Big Pike or Muskisoes. If you read the post I was replying to Steve Worrals comment that there is a political lobby againist fishing and hunting .Another thing if you want to disagree with me fine ,but who in the hell do you think you are to tell me start my own thread?Are you a new super moderator here ?Some of you guys need to come back earth here at muskyfirst.0723
Usually when someone starts a thread, about spearing they would like to have a discussion about Spearing....Not about banning Hunting.
You should visit the Basement,.. Some topics down there that would fit your Ideals/Personality. Maybe start with the Banning Guns Thread on page 2 Again worral brought this up.He is the boss here not you.0723
He told you to stop long ago, so apparently him being the boss matters little to you.
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Top H2O - 1/5/2014 12:45 PM
o723,
A ban on Hunting ? Huh ? really,.....
start your own Thread,...Keep on topic here,....
Spearing is a personal preference,....I'm going to learn how to do it,....But I won't go for the Big Pike or Muskisoes. If you read the post I was replying to Steve Worrals comment that there is a political lobby againist fishing and hunting .Another thing if you want to disagree with me fine ,but who in the hell do you think you are to tell me start my own thread?Are you a new super moderator here ?Some of you guys need to come back earth here at muskyfirst.0723
Usually when someone starts a thread, about spearing they would like to have a discussion about Spearing....Not about banning Hunting.
You should visit the Basement,.. Some topics down there that would fit your Ideals/Personality. Maybe start with the Banning Guns Thread on page 2 Again worral brought this up.He is the boss here not you.0723
He told you to stop long ago, so apparently him being the boss matters little to you. Him being the boss means the world to me.I havent talked about the point I made many pages ago.He said to drop it and I did.I just am not letting sled,jerome,and yourself take potshots at me with firing back at you.0723
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o723,
A ban on Hunting ? Huh ? really,.....
start your own Thread,...Keep on topic here,....
Spearing is a personal preference,....I'm going to learn how to do it,....But I won't go for the Big Pike or Muskisoes. If you read the post I was replying to Steve Worrals comment that there is a political lobby againist fishing and hunting .Another thing if you want to disagree with me fine ,but who in the hell do you think you are to tell me start my own thread?Are you a new super moderator here ?Some of you guys need to come back earth here at muskyfirst.0723
Usually when someone starts a thread, about spearing they would like to have a discussion about Spearing....Not about banning Hunting.
You should visit the Basement,.. Some topics down there that would fit your Ideals/Personality. Maybe start with the Banning Guns Thread on page 2 Again worral brought this up.He is the boss here not you.0723
He told you to stop long ago, so apparently him being the boss matters little to you. Him being the boss means the world to me.I havent talked about the point I made many pages ago.He said to drop it and I did.I just am not letting sled,jerome,and yourself take potshots at me with firing back at you.0723
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Top H2O - 1/5/2014 12:45 PM
o723,
A ban on Hunting ? Huh ? really,.....
start your own Thread,...Keep on topic here,....
Spearing is a personal preference,....I'm going to learn how to do it,....But I won't go for the Big Pike or Muskisoes. If you read the post I was replying to Steve Worrals comment that there is a political lobby againist fishing and hunting .Another thing if you want to disagree with me fine ,but who in the hell do you think you are to tell me start my own thread?Are you a new super moderator here ?Some of you guys need to come back earth here at muskyfirst.0723
Usually when someone starts a thread, about spearing they would like to have a discussion about Spearing....Not about banning Hunting.
You should visit the Basement,.. Some topics down there that would fit your Ideals/Personality. Maybe start with the Banning Guns Thread on page 2 Again worral brought this up.He is the boss here not you.0723
He told you to stop long ago, so apparently him being the boss matters little to you. Him being the boss means the world to me.I havent talked about the point I made many pages ago.He said to drop it and I did.I just am not letting sled,jerome,and yourself take potshots at me with firing back at you.0723
You do make it extremely easy. So do you.You are so predictable.0723
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o723,
A ban on Hunting ? Huh ? really,.....
start your own Thread,...Keep on topic here,....
Spearing is a personal preference,....I'm going to learn how to do it,....But I won't go for the Big Pike or Muskisoes. If you read the post I was replying to Steve Worrals comment that there is a political lobby againist fishing and hunting .Another thing if you want to disagree with me fine ,but who in the hell do you think you are to tell me start my own thread?Are you a new super moderator here ?Some of you guys need to come back earth here at muskyfirst.0723
Usually when someone starts a thread, about spearing they would like to have a discussion about Spearing....Not about banning Hunting.
You should visit the Basement,.. Some topics down there that would fit your Ideals/Personality. Maybe start with the Banning Guns Thread on page 2 Again worral brought this up.He is the boss here not you.0723
He told you to stop long ago, so apparently him being the boss matters little to you. Him being the boss means the world to me.I havent talked about the point I made many pages ago.He said to drop it and I did.I just am not letting sled,jerome,and yourself take potshots at me with firing back at you.0723
You do make it extremely easy. So do you.You are so predictable.0723
So you've changed your tune. Now spearing is ok if someone needs food. I thought you said it should be banned throughout the whole world?
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Location: The desert | 0723 - 1/5/2014 4:06 PM
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0723 - 1/5/2014 3:40 PM
Pointerpride102 - 1/5/2014 4:33 PM
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Top H2O - 1/5/2014 2:29 PM
0723 - 1/5/2014 1:37 PM
Top H2O - 1/5/2014 12:45 PM
o723,
A ban on Hunting ? Huh ? really,.....
start your own Thread,...Keep on topic here,....
Spearing is a personal preference,....I'm going to learn how to do it,....But I won't go for the Big Pike or Muskisoes. If you read the post I was replying to Steve Worrals comment that there is a political lobby againist fishing and hunting .Another thing if you want to disagree with me fine ,but who in the hell do you think you are to tell me start my own thread?Are you a new super moderator here ?Some of you guys need to come back earth here at muskyfirst.0723
Usually when someone starts a thread, about spearing they would like to have a discussion about Spearing....Not about banning Hunting.
You should visit the Basement,.. Some topics down there that would fit your Ideals/Personality. Maybe start with the Banning Guns Thread on page 2 Again worral brought this up.He is the boss here not you.0723
He told you to stop long ago, so apparently him being the boss matters little to you. Him being the boss means the world to me.I havent talked about the point I made many pages ago.He said to drop it and I did.I just am not letting sled,jerome,and yourself take potshots at me with firing back at you.0723
You do make it extremely easy. So do you.You are so predictable.0723
So you've changed your tune. Now spearing is ok if someone needs food. I thought you said it should be banned throughout the whole world? I still say ban it! I thought sled was down and out and felt bad for his family.But now we see hes very rich , needs a tan, and some new clothes.0723
So which is it? You're all over the place. You're all for banning it until someone says they use it for food then you're all for it. |
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| Pointerpride102 - 1/5/2014 5:19 PM
0723 - 1/5/2014 4:06 PM
Pointerpride102 - 1/5/2014 4:52 PM
0723 - 1/5/2014 3:44 PM
Pointerpride102 - 1/5/2014 4:41 PM
0723 - 1/5/2014 3:40 PM
Pointerpride102 - 1/5/2014 4:33 PM
0723 - 1/5/2014 3:31 PM
Top H2O - 1/5/2014 2:29 PM
0723 - 1/5/2014 1:37 PM
Top H2O - 1/5/2014 12:45 PM
o723,
A ban on Hunting ? Huh ? really,.....
start your own Thread,...Keep on topic here,....
Spearing is a personal preference,....I'm going to learn how to do it,....But I won't go for the Big Pike or Muskisoes. If you read the post I was replying to Steve Worrals comment that there is a political lobby againist fishing and hunting .Another thing if you want to disagree with me fine ,but who in the hell do you think you are to tell me start my own thread?Are you a new super moderator here ?Some of you guys need to come back earth here at muskyfirst.0723
Usually when someone starts a thread, about spearing they would like to have a discussion about Spearing....Not about banning Hunting.
You should visit the Basement,.. Some topics down there that would fit your Ideals/Personality. Maybe start with the Banning Guns Thread on page 2 Again worral brought this up.He is the boss here not you.0723
He told you to stop long ago, so apparently him being the boss matters little to you. Him being the boss means the world to me.I havent talked about the point I made many pages ago.He said to drop it and I did.I just am not letting sled,jerome,and yourself take potshots at me with firing back at you.0723
You do make it extremely easy. So do you.You are so predictable.0723
So you've changed your tune. Now spearing is ok if someone needs food. I thought you said it should be banned throughout the whole world? I still say ban it! I thought sled was down and out and felt bad for his family.But now we see hes very rich , needs a tan, and some new clothes.0723
So which is it? You're all over the place. You're all for banning it until someone says they use it for food then you're all for it.
Edited by 0723 1/5/2014 5:37 PM
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Location: The desert | 0723 - 1/5/2014 4:32 PM
Pointerpride102 - 1/5/2014 5:19 PM
0723 - 1/5/2014 4:06 PM
Pointerpride102 - 1/5/2014 4:52 PM
0723 - 1/5/2014 3:44 PM
Pointerpride102 - 1/5/2014 4:41 PM
0723 - 1/5/2014 3:40 PM
Pointerpride102 - 1/5/2014 4:33 PM
0723 - 1/5/2014 3:31 PM
Top H2O - 1/5/2014 2:29 PM
0723 - 1/5/2014 1:37 PM
Top H2O - 1/5/2014 12:45 PM
o723,
A ban on Hunting ? Huh ? really,.....
start your own Thread,...Keep on topic here,....
Spearing is a personal preference,....I'm going to learn how to do it,....But I won't go for the Big Pike or Muskisoes. If you read the post I was replying to Steve Worrals comment that there is a political lobby againist fishing and hunting .Another thing if you want to disagree with me fine ,but who in the hell do you think you are to tell me start my own thread?Are you a new super moderator here ?Some of you guys need to come back earth here at muskyfirst.0723
Usually when someone starts a thread, about spearing they would like to have a discussion about Spearing....Not about banning Hunting.
You should visit the Basement,.. Some topics down there that would fit your Ideals/Personality. Maybe start with the Banning Guns Thread on page 2 Again worral brought this up.He is the boss here not you.0723
He told you to stop long ago, so apparently him being the boss matters little to you. Him being the boss means the world to me.I havent talked about the point I made many pages ago.He said to drop it and I did.I just am not letting sled,jerome,and yourself take potshots at me with firing back at you.0723
You do make it extremely easy. So do you.You are so predictable.0723
So you've changed your tune. Now spearing is ok if someone needs food. I thought you said it should be banned throughout the whole world? I still say ban it! I thought sled was down and out and felt bad for his family.But now we see hes very rich , needs a tan, and some new clothes.0723
So which is it? You're all over the place. You're all for banning it until someone says they use it for food then you're all for it. I cant tell anyone how to feed their family in survival mode.
What do you think you might be doing if you flat out banned spearing? |
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Location: minocqua, wi. | feeding your family fish, venison and game birds is wrong? unless you can't afford to buy food?? |
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| jonnysled - 1/5/2014 5:36 PM
feeding your family fish, venison and game birds is wrong? unless you can't afford to buy food?? No |
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Location: The desert | 0723 - 1/5/2014 4:40 PM
jonnysled - 1/5/2014 5:36 PM
feeding your family fish, venison and game birds is wrong? unless you can't afford to buy food?? No
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Location: minocqua, wi. | you collect $200 for passing go |
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| jonnysled - 1/5/2014 5:41 PM
you collect $200 for passing go Never said that.You two`s said that.I thought sled was down and out and did not want to add anymore negative comments his way.0723
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Location: oswego, il | jonnysled - 1/5/2014 4:20 PM
things got so tough on the family last year we had to eat this one ...
sled I am guessing you held the Wahoo like that to hide the spear mark on the other side?:-) |
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Location: Minnesota | this is just become funny . I haven't speared in years and yes it was fun. but to each there own. the only reason I stopped is my dark house fell apart and did not want to make a new one. if some one tells me not to do something ill do it just because I have the right to do it. I don't like bear hunting. train a bear to come and eat the treats you left then shoot it .that is not a sport to me. but if you spend the time and like bear hunting im not going to tell you not to do it, it comes down to each there own |
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