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Location: Forest Lake, Mn. | http://www.grindtv.com/outdoor/excursions/post/muskie-anglers-enjoy...
According to that link 2 new possible world records have been caught in the St. Lawrence. Does anybody know anything about this? I did a quick search on the board but didn't see anything about it, though I might have missed it.
According to that article, 2 fisherman a Matt Forjohn caught a 51. 18 inch fish and a Mark Carlson caught one just under 52 inches. According to the article these are both potential world records according to the International Game Fish Assoc.
I have to say that I'm a bit surprised by this because we've all heard of larger fish being caught and released over the past few years. Can these really be record potential fish?
I'm not knocking their accomplishment or putting them down in any manner. They're bigger fish than I've ever caught. So congrats to them for big fish in the boat. I'm just surprised that these might be considered record fish is all.
Anybody know more about this?
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Yep. New 'release' division. |
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Location: Eastern Ontario | I'm hesitant to say lots of bigger fish caught and released but the anglers didn't bother to submit paperwork. Julies fish I think was bigger and I have witnessed a few larger. I think from the lengths you give they may have been fork lengths. |
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Location: Forest Lake, Mn. | @Sworrall
If I understand your reply correctly you're saying that the I.G.F.A has a new record division and larger fish from the past haven't been entered into the record books? Correct?
@horsehunter
I, too, am aware of larger fish being caught which is why I'm asking about this. Perhaps you're correct in that the fishermen never applied for a record. As for fork lengths or measurements on these fish, I have no knowledge. I can only go by what's in that linked article. I don't know the gentlemen involved in the catches.
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Location: Eastern Ontario | http://www.petethomasoutdoors.com/2013/12/muskie-madness-two-potent...
Edit: Sorry I didn't realise that was the same link Fishpoop posted
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| I dont think the guys that had the bigger fish had the correct certified measurement tools to submit for the record or just didnt submit at all for this new class. |
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Location: Elko - Lake Vermilion | So,... Is this a new "release category" ? and they go by the length of the fish ?
Is girth involved in the equasion ?
I'd like to see this form/paperwork that needs to be submitted. |
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Location: Altoona IA | Muskie Fishing -> General Discussion -> Huh?
Another article |
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| I think this is a new release category that they just started. |
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Location: Forest Lake, Mn. | I went to the I.G.F.A. website and looked around to see what I could find and I didn't find much. I looked at their record application form and yes there is instructions for measuring the length of a fish which is to be from tip of the nose to the tip of the tail and not the fork of the tail. It mentioned having scales certified for weight measurements for those types of records but I didn't see anything about certified ruler for length measurements.
It lists a Dr. Mark Carlson as the current record holder with a fish of 128 centimeters, which according to Google metric to standard inches is 50.3937 inches. Caught June 22 of 2011.
I couldn't find out much more than that because I'm not a member of the I.F.G.A. and everything else is for members only. I didn't see anything about when they started length record keeping for released fish.
I guess if they want to recognize these as record fish that's fine but I think we all know that much bigger fish have been caught and released. There you go boys and girls. I'm sure someone out there could claim a new muskie record easily, you only have to beat maybe 52 inches, if these new fish in the linked article are accepted as records, and that's been done a few times already.
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Location: Eastern Ontario | I saw a video somewhere where they laid some sort of IGFA mat on their board before measuring the fish. According to Bob Walters Facebook "54 1/2 inch by 27 girth big girl caught and released by the Waterwolf crew." |
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Location: Eastern Ontario | This might work if so you can see the mat
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Location: Eastern Ontario | Found the video http://blog.syracuse.com/outdoors/2013/12/muskie_3.html |
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| Great to see the ball rolling in the right direction. Hopefully next year their will be many entries in the new release world record. I like it! |
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Location: Eastern Ontario | Unfortunately they are only going by length. My longest fish was not my heaviest. But like Mr. Ramsell says if you don't weigh it (it means nothing my words ) and you can't say it.
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| Well maybe its time for an IGFA certified hand held weight scale so these guys can start weighing fish in their net then subtracting the weight of the net. Net could be certified too. |
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Location: Forest Lake, Mn. | Horsehunter: Thanks for the video link! |
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Location: Eastern Ontario | Lots of guys have IGFA certified scales in their boats. I think they have to be recertified every year. If I'm ever fortunate enough to get a 60 inch fish that's got a decent girth (there out there) It will have its vent and mouth duct taped and be headed for shore. I believe the new organization requires weighing on shore not sure about IGFA or OFAH. |
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Location: Hayward, Wisconsin | These were fork length measurements. Carlson's fish was just over 56 inches long and was weighed on an IGFA certified scale and weighed 55 pounds. |
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Location: Hayward, Wisconsin | Here is a photo of Carlson's fish on a bump board. Hard to see in this shot but the tail was on/over the green 56 inch mark on the board:
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| horsehunter - 12/14/2013 9:07 PM
Lots of guys have IGFA certified scales in their boats. I think they have to be recertified every year. If I'm ever fortunate enough to get a 60 inch fish that's got a decent girth (there out there) It will have its vent and mouth duct taped and be headed for shore. I believe the new organization requires weighing on shore not sure about IGFA or OFAH. . Well I'm glad guys like Carlson, McNair and one of my good friends keeps catching these monsters and releasing them, cuz I like seeing these pics rather than one of you holding it on the shore all taped up and dead. Keeps the dream alive, thanks boys for letting em go. I would too. |
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Location: Eastern Ontario | I want anybody to put the O'Brien thing behind us and if a fish is caught that can that can do it I'm all in favour
Edit: the fish should be weighed in the net or a cradle and if you didn't think it stood a reasonable chance of a record release it.
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| Have had 58.5 inch fish in the boat that wieghed 45.5 lbs. Should that really be a record? I don't think so. I know they are trying to promote catch and release. That's great, but a guy who catches a 58 lb fish that's 55 inches should not get bumped by thinner fish. Just an opinion. I think everyones heart is in the r spot though. |
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| Interesting release method. SPLASH |
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| I thought the same thing. Must be tougher on Charter boats. |
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| Most of the boats these guys run make it impossible to release a fish in the way we are used to seeing them released. Add in cold temperatures and near freezing water and what else can you do? It's nice to be able to hold them upright and let them revive before releasing them, but it's not worth getting yourself dead. |
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Location: Eastern Ontario | In the colder water temperatures any I have been involved with go very quickly. In summer you can get out on the swim platform and hold it upright. Many of the larger boats are installing revive tanks so the fish can be revived before being torpedoed. Work needs to be done with the regulators to make this legal. As of now in Ontario fish under the minimum size limit are to be immediately released (on the Larry 54" ) and a fish in a livewell is deemed to be in possession. According to the rules that would mean that anglers day was done.
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| Wow could they keep that fish out of the water any longer? |
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| I agree....look how the fish came into the net....sideways (no splash)...look how it left....boom!!! video ends.... |
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| ^^ I was thinking the same, I held my breath when they had it on the bump board and I almost died, twice! Lol.It is true they don't need much reviving this time of year but I'm sure that fish was ready to take a breath,in the water.There is a chance it's still kicking tho, and I like that. |
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| A lot of charters do this -- almost all in big boats. They all care about the fish, but time out of the water could be reduced with a livewell like st. clair. I have talked to waterwolf and he cares about his fish and will never let his fish float. I understand your concern though. |
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