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| Does anyone know what lake this is going to be on and when? I tried to click on the link on the simply fishing sight, but could not access any further. Thanks.
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Location: Washington, PA | I'm assuming this is the Vermillion Tourney that everyone was chattering about before. | |
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Location: N Illinois | If I read it right, this tourny will be in 2004!!! There is a lot a time to hype this one. | |
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Location: Chicago | http://www.simplyfishing.com/tournamentinfo.shtml
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| I wanna know how many guys are going to cough up the NON refundable deposit 1.5 years in advance?
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Location: Mallard Island Lake Vermilion MN | Right on, right ON!
Bring it on, bring it on!
T.
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| Hi Everyone:
First let me say the “Simply Fishing Muskie Classic” is indeed a fact. An judging by the way our phones are ringing, it will be HUGE.
Anglers and spectators alike will be rubbing elbows with the best the industry has to offer. Some of the finest muskie talent on the planet will be there demonstrating their skills. The question on everybody’s mind today, is who will be the winner, who will take home $100,000.00 and the title. Well, I can’t tell you that, but I can tell you this. The winner of the “Simply Fishing Muskie Classic” will become the richest tournament muskie angler in the world. And, will carry the title for an entire year, spending all of 2005 preparing to defend it in the second annual “Simply Fishing Muskie Classic”, when things will get even more interesting.
In the mean time let me try to address some of the postings as of this point.
Comment; Being the event is in 2004, there is a long time to hype this one.
Response; Your correct, there is a lot of time to hype this one. There is also a lot of time for everyone to budget their entry fees and prepare for such an event. We will be spending thousands upon thousands of dollars to pull this event off, and NOT ONE RED PENNY is coming from an angler. The total pay back is 100% as of today, and may even go higher as sponsors support grows.
Along with the 100% payback will be the opportunity to be noticed by industry leaders, major manufactures and quite possibly help everyone by improving an anglers chance to receive some additional notice or rewards for their efforts.
Anglers in attendance will also be seen throughout our viewing area which will amount to more than 150 million households. What other muskie event is approaching those numbers?
Hype can be a good thing.If we embrace it, the sport will grow even more.
Comment; There was a post regarding the entry fee.
Response; Please follow closely. Our phones opened today. To enter the event, you must reserve your spot with a $500.00 deposit. In January of 2004, another $500.00 will be due. And later in 2005 the balance will be due. We have spread it out over the entire period to benefit everyone. If you wish to send it all in, we will accept it in full. If you wait, you might be too late. You must be the judge of that. The ENTRY FEE is nonrefundable, however, it is transferrable. See rules for details on our site, www.simplyfishing.com.
Comment; There was a comment regarding interest on the entries.
Response; As with any business there are costs. Interest from entry fees will be used toward the event. No one will get rich off the interest, however, with that being said, I do understand the comment. I only hope you realize this is a business and we are already giving 100% back to the anglers.
There was also a reference to sponsorships. There are three levels, all offer different exposure depending on your required package. Any interested sponsor can contact me at Simply Fishing, or simply follow the instructions on our site, www.simplyfishing.com.
I also had a MI member email me in regards to whether or not there will be any monies donated back to the fishery. We are currently working on a program that could raise considerable funds for the resource. However, at this point there are no guarantees.
We have approached some tournament promoters, and are in the process of approaching even more, regarding a qualification ladder. These private circuits are the body of the tournament scene and are being offered a buy in option to the Classic. If they participate, those entries will be devoted directly back to the resource in the form of a donation. We have not decided to what or where the donation will go at this point. The teams qualifying through this program will be added to the field.
Judge Boats; We will be securing 45 judge boats for the event and if you want to man one, please feel free to contact us. There will be plenty to learn from the experience.
I hope I have answered some of your questions and for now I will say good night, shut off the lights and call it a day.
And for those wanting such an event and opportunity, thanks for the overwhelming response.
For those of you still needing more information, please go to www.simplyfishing.com, we have everything necessary posted.
Sincerely,
Bob Mehsikomer
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Location: Eau Claire, WI | Bob,
Thank you for the update. This should prove to be quite the event and as you say will give publicity to Musky Fishing like it has never seen.
I am in the hunt for a partner as we speak.
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| Just read the Tourney info. on the site Slimm provided...sounds pretty neat! You want to see some BIG $$$, check out some of the saltwater tournies...this one appears to offer some cool chances and opportunities to have fun and do what peeps like doing best. Would really be neat to be in a judge boat too. Hope it works out ok for you guys; buddy of mine got beat out last year in a Blue Marlin Tourney in Cape Hatteras on the LAST 1/2 day, so you never know! | |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Thanks for the response Bob! The answers were clear and concise, and should help us all see what the event will do for Muskie Tournament angling. I will probably fish this! | |
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Location: Lake Vermilion Tower, MN | I to intend on fishing this event,
anyone looking for an investment?
Ace & Muskytom......Team Grunge!
"Local boys take major tournament"
Hey, I can dream can't I. 
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Location: God's Country......USA..... Western Wisconsin | I will also be fishing this event. I will be sending my deposit very soon. Partner as yet to be determined but I think that I have one as he is almost commited now. The planning wheels are allready starting to turn. Good luck to all, and I hope to see you at the biggest Muskie tourney ever. | |
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| Hi Everyone:
Sorry for the mistaken post last night. It was almost 8:00 pm, I had a full 13 hour day under my belt and my fingers weren't communicating with my brain.
You will note as Steve Caddy pointed out, I miss stated the payment schedule. I inadverntently indicated some of the payment would be due in 2005, instead of 2004. I'm sorry. Thanks Steve.
The following is the acurate version. Again thanks for keep me on my toes.
Response To Payment schedule; Please follow closely. Our phones opened today. To enter the event, you must reserve your spot with a $500.00 deposit. In January of 2004, another $500.00 will be due. And later in 2004 the balance will be due. We have spread it out over the entire period to benefit everyone. If you wish to send it all in, we will accept it in full. If you wait, you might be too late. You must be the judge of that. The ENTRY FEE is nonrefundable, however, it is transferrable. See rules for details on our site, www.simplyfishing.com.
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| Bob,
Reading from your posts I assume this will not be a one time event. Do you plan on a rotation of lakes or will it be on Vermilion every year? Unfortunately I won't be fishing the event. Not enough experience and not enough money. Hope all goes well.
Andy
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| Andy:
To answer your question, We are only planning one event each year, "The Classic". The "Classic" could move around, however, we are not prepared to discuss this at this point.
As I said earlier, the existing tournament circuits are the blood and guts of muskie tournament fishing. We will do our part to expose their anglers at every turn. Thus the reason for the qualification process in my aforementioned post. We realize not everyone can afford our event, we also know there are many out there that can, or will find a way. We also know there are plenty of tournament anglers that would rather spend a week, pay the entery fee and have a chance at such a purse. Regardless, we are not creating another circuit, but instead, the "Classic", an annual event.
Sorry you can't make the event.Judging might be an option.
Good luck on the water this season.
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| Hey Bob,
Thanks for the email! Most pronounce it Caddy anyways! hehehe
I for one am looking forward to this event. It has the potential to reach anglers that have no knowledge of Muskies and Musky fishing. It will create interest in the sport as well as educate non Musky anglers on how we treat this very special fish. Hopefully someone that doesn't know what a Musky is yet comes to vacation at the Big V and will know what a Musky is when they catch it. This tournament will also have a economic impact on the Lake Vermilion area.
I also agree that I will be fishing it for the chance at saying I won $100,000.00 doing what I love. Selfish? Sure. My only motivation? Nope.
Steve Cady
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| How will the order of starting position be determined by payment or drawing?Also will there be more than one starting launch site?0723
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| Bob:
I have a question regarding the scoring. I read your web site rules and ended up confused. It states that a legal fish will get 50 points with a point per 1/4" after that. If a 45 (used as an example) = 70 (50 + 20 for the extra five inches), How can a 50 incher (example) be worth 100 points as stated in your rules? 50 + 40 (for the extra 10 inches) = 90 by the math I learned???
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Location: Lake Vermilion Tower, MN | It's like any other tournament, if you catch lots of big fish, you win! | |
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| Does anybody know has far has the first $500 is that for the "team" or does each angler have to deposit $500??? for a total of $1000 | |
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| guideman:
Perhaps, but I would like to how the scoring works! Is the example in the rules wrong, or is there more to it than explained?
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Location: Lake Vermilion Tower, MN | Sorry Ken,
I wasn't trying to be a smart a#$,
it was just a little boring Sunday afternoon humor.
Hooker,
It is $500.00 per team to hold a spot. You also need to send a copie of your insurance policy and a short
Bio of the anglers. A $300,000.00 liability policy is a requirerment to enter the event. | |
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| Hi Ken;
Just opened the barin box and was informed of your observation. I should have looked at our own chart.
Simply Fishing Muskie Classic/ Point System
Length, to the 1/4 “
40 50 points 40.25 51 points
40.50 52 points
40.75 53 points
41 54 points
41.25 55 points
41.50 56 points
41.75 57 points
42 58 points
42.25 59 points
42.50 60 points
42.75 61 points
43 62 points
43.25 63 points
43.50 64 points
43.75 65 points
44 66 points
44.25 67 points
44.50 68 points
44.75 69 points
45 70 points
45.25 71 points
45.50 72 points
45.75 73 points
46 74 points
46.25 75 points
46.50 76 points
46.75 77 points
47 78 points
47.25 79 points
47.50 80 points
47.75 81 points
48 82 points
48.25 83 points
48.50 84 points
48.75 85 points
49 86 points
49.25 87 points
49.50 88 points
49.75 89 points
50 90 points
50.25 91 points
50.50 92 points
50.75 93 points
51 94 points
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| Bob,
Thanks for the reply on my first post. I've never thought of judging, but that sounds interesting? What must on do or have in order to be a judge for a tournament of this sort? Is there any compensation for room & board? Thanks.
Andy
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Wa are currently taking names, addresses, phone numbers and e-mail addresses for those interested in judging.
Compensation will be awarded, however, the package is not yet been defined. Will a buck fifty, and all the coffee you can drink do?
Sent ALL contact information to Lisa, at [email protected]. and make sure you note your interest in judging.
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Location: God's Country......USA..... Western Wisconsin | muskiefreak, I think that you are only looking at page two. Go to the bottom of the page and click on page 1 where it says jump to page...on the lower left side. | |
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| Bob I was wondering will there be more than one launch site?0723 | |
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| Hi Everyone: From The Classic Desk
Our phones have been ringing off the hook with interest, in fact I have responded to groups of interested anglers at one time, on conference calls and speaker phones. Here are some of their questions, and our responses.
Question: If on the last day there were only five teams with fish, how would the rest of the field be determined?
Answer: The five teams catching fish on the final day would finish 1-5 respectively. The remaining five teams would fill the balance based on their performance up to that point. At every level there will ranking by point standings, it’s these standings that would then come into play. See rule 16, however, please overlook the point equations, as they have been corrected and have been noted prior on this post.
Question: Will there be more than one launch site?
Answer: No
Question: Can teams call with a credit card to reserve their spot, and send their official forms in later?
Answer: Yes, however, forms must be received in our office no later than thirty days from the date of your call.
Question: Can a team member reserve his or her team a spot without a partner?
Answer: Yes, however, you must notify us of your partner’s name when decided, and all required forms must accompany their information upon submitting.
Question: What will be the headquarter site?
Answer: The headquarter site has not been determined as of this point. We are responding to this situation as we speak.
Question: Will there be an event yet this season?
Answer: There are some plans in the works, a dry run if you will. Teams entering will be notified.
Question: How can I get into this season’s tournament?
Answer: This seasons proposed event will be limited to anglers who have signed up for the 2004 event.
Question: How can tournament anglers qualify, short of paying an entry fee? Are there any other means?
Answer: At this present time there are none. However, we have been approached and are ourselves approaching current muskie circuit promoters to design an avenue to the classic. At this point we have a model in place that could be discussed with any interested party, from any muskie circuit in the U.S. or Canada. Any additional funds derived from such an effort will be earmarked for the resource.If you have knowledge of a promoter, please have them contact us. It could be your way to the Classic.
Please feel free to contact us with any questions you may have. I will try to stay on top of this site and respond to all that I can.
Thanks to everyone for asking and thanks for the support.
And for those already in, WELCOME TO THE BIG SHOW.
Sincerely,
Bob Mehsikomer | |
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| Im getting conflicting info on this ,,,,Do I have to have 300 grand worth of liability if Im in my "buddys" boat I went to a well known musky sporting goods store in the TC and they wernt sure either or is it just for the boat owner
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Location: God's Country......USA..... Western Wisconsin | Hooker, pretty much standard stuff here. You need $300,000.00 liability on the boat you are using in the tourney. There are very few large tournaments that don't require at least that amount of coverage. This is so that if you run into someone elses boat or other property that it will be covered to this amount at least. At least that is the way that I understand things at this point. | |
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| Happy Hooker:
Mike Hoen is correct. This would be expected at any major event of this caliber.
There is also a rumor out there stating the number of teams we currently have in the event. Because there is more than one party receiving entries (by design), it will be impossible to state how many enteries there are until the last one hits the books. Therefore, those interested in sending in you applications can do so now (www.simplyfishing.com has all the info), if you decide to wait, the risk of doing so will be solely in your hands. When the event fills, those who were to late will be asked if they would like to remain on a waiting list. In the event someone fails to show, any open spot will be filled from this list. Sorry, but that's the way the accounting is being done.
Good Luck, we'll see you there.
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| Hi Mr. M.
Being tourney director, dose that mean you will NOT be fishing the Simply Fishing Muskie Classic?
Something would be missing if we can't go against the Top of the line!
Thanks.
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| Sorry Kid:
Got to set this one out. It's simply not possible to fish while running such an event. I will have every second of my time and attention focused on just trying to assure things go smoothly.
For me the task will be to take this event and form it into a visual product, of which millions will see. Leaving some very strong impressions of who the players truly are in the muskie world, as well as a deeper understanding of the species and what it takes to persue her. The winners of this event will in one weekend become household names in the muskie world, if not the entire angling world.An hopelyfully, a whole understanding of the muskie and the fishery will be the result of our efforts.
The attenion to detail necessary to promote and operate such an event is overwhelming and togeather with a staff of some forty people, we will attempt to pull it off.
It's been recently noted by many, that the muskie is amung the fastest growing sectors of fishing interests, we at Simply Fishing and as muskie anglers in general, need to embrace this growth and assist in assuring it makes this next step, if at all possible.
But thanks for the invite none the less. I would love to fish aginst the truly GREATS of the sport.While we watch the names on the leader board, we will all see them appear.
As of today, just about everyone that has called has indicated extreme excitement and simply a desire to be there. Many have called just to say they will be in attendence to watch hsitory in the making.
We welcome everyone, anglers and spectators alike.
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| Bob, i have a very hard time believing you can't track 100 spots for a tournament. Seriously, it's only 100 spots, and if you dont' have a centralized tally, then you WON'T know until you are over sold or when ever you pull all the pipes together to get a count...Pull the pipes together...you cant'be selling entry spots thru 2000 channels...so, it would be cool if you kept the public aware of how many spots are left...I'm not calling you a liar Bob also i do not wish to make a personal attack on you, but if you can't organize 100 starting spots, do you really think you'll do a good job with tourney as whole....simplyfishing.com should post how many starting spots are left...probably be good for you anyways, making the spots more coveted.
keep it reel, i'm sure i will
tomcat
tommy hulbert
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| Very impressive answer Mr. M.
Sweet.
Gets more interesting as we go and it is a long way off.
Thanks.
Tom Wehler
PS.
Tomcat Hulbert, you in yet?
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As I said, it's by design.
We do not want rumors running rampant. As I stated earlier, we will alert any angler who's entry comes in late, as to the fact. At that point we have a develpoed protocol, of which we will follow. That way NO SITE can be announcing anything regarding participation that dosen't come through this office.
I'm sorry if you can't see our point, but the decision has been made by all the powers concern.
None the less, I understand human nature, the reluctance to release hard earned funds and procrastination, they all play a part. I also understand the potential dificulty of such a financial commitment, which is part of the reason we have scheduled it so far out. The decision of when to send an entry fee in, is soley up to the individual.That's as fair as we can make it.
I hope I answered your question or concern.
I will be traveling for the next few days and will not monitor any sites. If anyone has further questions, my email address is [email protected], I will be checking those.
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| Big T, Kid....I'm still up in the air about this one..2004 has Holland as definite destination for a vaca w/ wife (i hate taking non musky vacations). Few things i have to consider to continue...1.who (what partner) is NOT going to be a financial pain in my butt. 2. do i want to committ to a tourney that i might not be able to get ample pre fishing time in since i have to go on vacation w/ wife.3. all the bullcrap involved w/ sharing a boat w/ a hulbert for a week or two.4. being educated about how horrible tournaments are.5. WIFE. boss#2.Wife.
Fishing it does sound fun, i've became more educated about other anti-tourney views, who isn't looking to gain knowledge all the time???
Unfortunatly, i didnt' see an answer to my questions/concerns about the field filling up on Bob M's repsonse to my question...so, all entries must come thru his office, but they still cant' track it???? what??? huh???
I guess it really deosnt' matter to me, pay whenever, but i guess it's just a big secret...and I'm a full time salesman and i'm not totally following bob's logic, i do somewhat, but not totally. But, i don't need anyone wasting a bunch of time talking to me about it, if i'm not even committeed to fishing it yet.
Big T, da' Kid...i'll be in w/ the right partner and wife's OK on it.
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| Please answer that question Bob?
I have been trying to decide if I should even bother to enter cause I don't think you can get enough guys. If I miss out because you have 50 over 50 then I miss out. By the way 50 over 50 is 100.
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Location: Lake Vermilion Tower, MN | If you want to fish the tournament
send in your deposit, it's that simple.
If you don't think this will fill up, your only fooling yourself.
Every major sponsor in the muskie world will have a team in this one
for sure.
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | As I see it, the tactic of not announcing the exact number of entires at any given time is promotionally sound. This is common practice in the tournament world to not announce the field fill percentage until the week of the event, or it fills, so applications flow unimpeeded by rumor or whatever. Those worried about the interest earnings should do the math. If a total amount was banked today of $150000, and was held for two years, the yield in the type of account this demands would equal less than $8000. That isn't enough to hold the event, much less make anyone wealthy. The payback is 100%. It doesn't get much higher, at least not in any tournament I have seen. If one wants to roll the dice on this event, one needs to play by THIS EVENT'S rules. If one doesn't, then don't. The same holds true for the PWT, PMTT, or any other event. If I have the money to bet on getting my slot, and want to play, then my guess is I better send it in. | |
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| What if these moneys are not placed into a secure interest bearing account, due to what you say in that the interest is minimal.
What if these moneys are placed into the stock market, where risk of investment is higher, but so to the return on investment?
Is there any statement to the effect of how these monies are going to be invested to minimize the risk of loss of entry fees? | |
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| Hi Anon;
Thanks for the question and the interest. The following is an attempt to answer them and possibly others...
In a few minutes I’m out of here, on my way to a show. But before I depart, I will explain the banking issue for everyone.
First, lets all realize that almost everyone to this point, is using credit cards to secure their deposits.
Now, taking into account today’s merchant surcharge fees with any of these credit card companies, WE, Simply Fishing will be forgoing 2.20%. We are not a huge enterprise exchanging millions daily. So as anyone in business will tell you, we don’t necessarily receive the best surcharge rate. Most, possibly all of the other major events in the country actually charge this surcharge back to the entrants, we will NOT.
Now, for the banking process itself. Please don't take this wrong, but we are not fools, we will NOT risk anyone’s money within any investment outside our local bank. We have an account set up that could bring in about 2.25% yeld on 15 month bonds ( and less on shorter term ) and will be insured as will be your investment in the tournament.
Simple interest checking accounts will yield a lot less (.75% at best), meaning we would be loosing money on every entry made with a credit card. As Steve pointed out, WE ARE NOT GOING TO GET RICH on interest. If getting rich from this event were our single goal, we would be taking 20% from everyone who enters, such as many other tournaments do, which is not the case. Listen to me please, no one should be working for nothing, not you, not me, not anybody. We will derive what ever profits we can from sponsors that support the event. If it works, there will be future events. If it doesn’t, we will look elsewhere for a more profitable working environments. That’s simply the way it is. If you want to fish, you can support us by entering the event. If you don’t want the event around, well, that too will be recognized.
“What if’s” do have merit, however, It’s “What if’s” such as these, that dictate we operate with a sound and ethical business plan in order to successfully promote an event such as the “Classic” and also the very reason everything pertaining to the inner workings of this event will be kept in-house. Trust me, we are talking about an event like the muskie world has never seen.
Sincerely,
Bob Mehsikomer | |
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| I have an interest in this tournament, but I see that livebait isn't an option. Why is that?
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| Beacuse we don't want to increase to possibility of hurting fish.
The playing field will be level with everyone using artificial lures only. Besides, when was the last time a live sucker manufacture sponsored an event?
Lighten up, please.
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| I don't understand about why livebait fishing would hurt the fish more than artifical lures, if quick-strike rigging of livebait is allowed during this tournament.
If artificial lures do not work, why shouldn't a contestant not be able to fish and troll livebait?
Your point system penalizes a contestant for dead fish, so it would seem to make sense that any lure, artifical or livebait, would be ok if the preservation of the musky was the desired end result.
Are you saying that only equipment manufactured by sponsers of your tournament is allowed to be used in this tournament?
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| Anon
Never see anyone trolling BIG suckers any more on Vermilion, ever.
Never see them pitching them either.
We are allowed one pole per person and that has always been enough for me.
Do see a few guys floating the 8 inch size suckers for pike once in a while, and they are used by some guys on a Large jig for Pike.
But nothing like the Two pounders you see used over in Cheesville?
We just don't use suckers for Musky fishing on Vermilion, PERIOD!
September on the Big V. can be a very tough bite at times.
It will be a real challange and that is what it is all about for me.
Dragging a sucker is really not much of a challange, but some people do enjoy it, we just do not do it on Vermilion.
Hope to see you there anyway.
Tom Wehler
Mallard Island
Lake Vermilion
www.muskytomsguideservice.com
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| You guys are "nuts" if you dont think this thing will fill up I know alot of people and their ALL in or trying to swing it,,,The thing that triggered me into taking the plunge is regardless of where you finnish your still spending 3-5 days on one of the hottest muskie waters in the country not some place where your hopeing for a 34 incher like some tournament destinations,so besides the shot at "fame and fortune" and cashing a check dont forget the "fun" aspect you may just catch your biggest fish from this quality water | |
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Location: God's Country......USA..... Western Wisconsin | Well here goes, I know that I will be trouble and hear about it from some of you guys but let's see if I can shed some light on the live bait deal with out getting too militant. I am not a live bait Nazi.....Well maybe a little. 1st, there are no Muskie tourneys, to the best of my knowledge, that allow live bait to be used, this is good(my opinion). 2nd, the main reason behind this is, the FACT that live bait tends to be taken and swallowed more deeply than artificial lures. Even a quick strike rig can be used improperly thus letting the fish be gut hooked. 3rd, This will be a Profesional tournament let's act that way. 4th, and very importantly, This is one of the RULES, just as having the proper equipment and abiding by all of the other RULES we must all follow this one. 5th, and I may get myself in hot water here, quit your whining, send in your money, or shut your pie hole. Geez I mean lighten up a bit. I am going to fish this tourney, so are a lot of my friends and aquaintances. I hope to see all of you there. But let it be, ok, the rules are the rules. I for one will abide by them and be happy to do so. Hope I haven't offended anyone to much, but this is a good thing, enough with the sniping allready. | |
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| Sorry if I appear to be whining. I was trying to ask a question about the use of livebait. I still haven't heard a good answer or reason why livebait should not be allowed in this tournment. This tournament is being promoted to be a tournament like no others and it's time livebait should be included as it has it's usages under certain conditions.
I've used livebait in a quick strike rigged manner and haven't gut hooked a musky. All my fish where successfully released.
A comment to the effect of "Professional" doesn't make sense as various musky guides use livebait and their professionals.
I've found that using a sucker as a musky follow toss back technique to work triggering a musky to bite.
Is this or is this not a tournament that I will pay my share of the 2500.00 tournament and then fish to win? I would like to be able to fish my techniques to win this tournament, the prise money, and become a house hold name.
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Location: Lake Vermilion Tower, MN | YOU! want to be a household name?
You don't even want to be a Board
Name!
Get over it, the rules are the rules!
The tournament will be full by the time you stop crying about fishing
suckers. Save all the suckers for cheeseville. | |
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Location: Hartford, WI | Anon, I guess its simple if you dont like the rules dont fish it. Hell I dont agree with all the laws in this country, but I do follow them....
Jim
Can somone lend me the money to fish this tourney??????? LOL | |
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Location: Northwest Chicago Burbs | I LOVE to use live bait, and I personally disagree that a MINDFUL angler will see more damage to fish using a quickstrike rig...OK, thats MY FEELING.
My feeling is also that I am DYING to fish this tournament!!! But since I didn't MAKE the rules, I have to abide by the rules, if I so choose to fish the tourney. If I really want to fish live bait in a tourney, then this won't be the one to do it in, and I don't personally know of any that allow livebait useage....but if there was one, I could fish it. This is the beauty of America, FREE CHOICE. Mr. ANON, if you want to fish the tourney, you need to follow the rules of the tourney.....if you don't want to follow the rules they set down, then this probably isn't the tourney for you.
Slamr
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Location: Bagley,MN 56621 | I don't have a lot o Tourney experience but the 3 I fished, 2 PMTT events and one Rollie and Helen's spring shootout..........none of them allowed live bait and 2 out of the 3 were in Wisconsin, the sucker using capitol.
It's not standard practice to use suckers in ANY tournament ANYWHERE, why would this one be different?? | |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | If you want to fish this event, you will have to abide by the rules as stated. I am pretty certain the rules are not open to debate. The tournament looks like it will be operated cleanly, and with care. The payout is great, too. Read the rules, and if you don't want to fish within that framework, don't fish the event. I don't think the event organizers should have to explain every rule on record, they simply need to make them clear. Bob has done so. | |
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100 grand payout and a $2500 entry fee is not "meaty" enough of an issue on this thread???,,,,now we are going out in a totally different direction,on "live bait and tournaments",,No offense to anybody but there are alot of guys who are stressing out on getting into this and paying the big entry and want to hear about it cant we keep this thread about the tourney itself Bob Has responded to everybodys questions very timely,,,Live bait and tournaments are definitly a debateable issue but how about starting a seperate thread so it can be addressed there, Im sure alot of people have opinions about it but wont be aware of replying has it is in the middle of this Vermillion tourney post. | |
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| Hi Mr. Worrall,
Sorry I couldn't reply to you sooner. I had VA treatments this weekend.
I'm a Multi-tour Vietnam paraplegic veteran whom enjoys fishing.
I've fished many crappie and walleye tournaments and have learned to maximize certain styles of fishing in order to bypass some of my physical limitations.
I can't stand and cast like I wish I could.
It was about five years ago that I accidentally caught a 52 inch Musky while I was perch fishing. I was so lucky that I never really hooked the musky, it wanted that perch that bad. If it wasn't for my friend, I would not have been able to land it.
My understanding of this tournament is that it isn't a qualification style of tournament where you fish other tournaments and place high enoughin the final result standings to qualify. Please correct me if I am wrong, but my understanding is that if I have the money, and enter soon enough, I can participate.
If this is the case, the current set of rules do not consider the physically disabled: no pontoons, no livebait.
Rules are ok provided they don't violate existing rules which address discrmination against the physcially handicapped.
I would like to be able to participate in this tournamnet, and want to be able to fish for muskys in a way that I have confidence in catching them. I have caught over 20 muskies on quick strike rigged suckers over the last four years and I haven't hooked any musky deeply nor have I not had a successful release. I would like you to refer me to some evidence, some study which proves quick strike rigging is harmful to muskies. We use livebait in crappie and walleye tournaments that I fish all the time.
Also, what about the use of dead bait and scent?
I've trolled small chubs on big spinnerbaits not so much for the livebait presence, but the scent to attract a musky to the spinnerbait. The spinnerbait hook is what snags to the musky.
If you can be of help to a Veteran of Foreign Wars here, I would appreciate this.
Thank-you.
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Location: Lake Vermilion Tower, MN | Anon,
You can troll for muskie without the use of live bait, and be very successful. I to am a handicaped Veteran, with limits on how I can fish. However, I have chosen not
to make that an issue, that others have to deal with.
So Get over it and move on. | |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | I agree with you that quick strike rigs are no more potentially harmful than a jerk bait, no argument there. The rules, however, are the rules, and as I said, are probably not open to debate. Email Bob with your questions, maybe he can answer better than I why live bait is prohibited. I know several folks with your disability who fish muskies; trolling big cranks or spinnerbaits or a similar tactic is an approach to fish this event effectively. There are many events won every year by anglers using trolling techniques; something that would be competitive and effective. I didn't see the pontoon rule, that again is a good question to email Bob directly for an answer. I do know there are many open floor plan boats that will accept a chair nicely, so that may be an option for you. I am absolutely certain that there is no design or desire to not accomodate the physically limited for this event. The rules here are pretty much the standard in Muskie tournaments I have fished all across the country. | |
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Location: Eau Claire, WI | Dear Anon Veteran,
First let me thank you for the service you and other vets who visit this site did for our country. I for one am a very appreciative American and I think too many don't really understand what all of our Vets have been through.
Secondly, Steve Worrall is not the one to address any issues about this tournament to. He is not involved in this tournament to my understanding. The tournament is being run by Bob M. and the Simply Fishing staff. They should be the ones to address any concerns.
As a reminder to all.... MuskieFIRST and all outdoor media message boards do not allow and will not allow personal attacks or "read between the line" attacks on individuals or companies.
Let us all please act like the adults that we are suppose to be. We would rather not have to edit this thread or move it to the recycle bin.
If you want to debate live bait in tournament than do it on another post, and do it without attacking other individuals.
Thank you,
Mark Hintz
Moderator
Muskie.OutdoorFIRST.com | |
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| Hi Everyone:
Just finished the Madison Show, thanks to all in attendence. It's great to see the standing room only crowds at muskie presentations. It says a lot for the sport.
Let me be perfectly clear, there will be NO LIVE BAIT. Trolling will be allowed. As for the pontoon, if it's a special requirement for obvious reasons, please contact me. We will deal with it internally. NO ONE will be left out because of a handicap, veterian or otherwise.
Sincerely,
Bob Mehsikomer
We'll see ya at the Big Show.
P/S Thanks again for trying to explain our position Steve. | |
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Location: Girard Pa. | Bob, Under the rules of the tournement it states only the two people registered to fish from the boat may fish.Can there be a third in the boat?(non fishing).Also has the launch point been set yet as we are seeking lodging and don't want to end up at the wrong end of the lake Thanks in advance ART Peters | |
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| Hi Art:
No, there has not been a lunch site decided. We are trying to negotiate the host location as we speak. As for three in the boat, the answer is no, it will be limited to two anglers.
Thanks,
Bob Mehsikomer | |
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