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| I am heading to the in laws cabin up by Land O Lakes this weekend. He doesn't have musky on his lake (Forest) but nearby Palmer Lake is supposedly a good numbers lake.
It is a shallow weedy lake from what I can see. I usually like throwing topwater when it is really heavy weedcover, since they run cleaner. Is it too late for topwaters? I expect upper 50-low 60 for the water temo. |
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| When they bounce. That is when you put them away. |
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Location: Perryville, MO | I'm not the most experienced guy to answer, but from some personal results (and having seen this question answered on here many times) top-water will stop being effective when your lure bounces off the ice. Seriously, no reason to stop throw topwaters late into the Fall.
LOL See..
Edited by hawkeye9 9/25/2013 11:35 AM
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| NEVER!
But seriously, only if the water if frozen do I not bring topwater with me. |
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| Looks like a Top Raider or Jackpot will be on the topwater rod on Saturday then.
Along with a Cow Girl, Heli Dawg, Phantom Softtail, and Shallow Invader.
If any of you guys are on Palmer Saturday afternoon, say Hi.
I run a black Lund Predator. |
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| When they skid across the ice |
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Location: Contrarian Island | some great action can be had with hawg wobbler style topwaters this time of year.... |
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| Thanks for the tip BNelson.
I don't own any of that style but Rollies and Helens is on the way up..... |
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| there is a big difference between a hot bait and something that will get a hit or two.
i stop at around 55 for a simple reason there is a lot of more productive thing to throw |
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| jano - 9/25/2013 1:20 PM
there is a big difference between a hot bait and something that will get a hit or two.
i stop at around 55 for a simple reason there is a lot of more productive thing to throw
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| jano - 9/25/2013 1:20 PM
there is a big difference between a hot bait and something that will get a hit or two.
i stop at around 55 for a simple reason there is a lot of more productive thing to throw
But if you stop at 55 how do you know that a topwater isn't the hot bait? |
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Location: Smith Creek | After turnover, if you're locating active fish in 20+ feet of water relating to the bottom then topwater is probably not your best choice.
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| I throw a ton of topwater. I've had good luck with water down to 50 degrees in the fall - sometime it IS the pattern with low 50's water especially if water stabilizes at those temps for a week or so.....once water is below 48, well.there is almost always a more consistent way to catch them from my experience. |
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| Most productive day ever in my boat was Thanksgiving a few years back. Air temps in the low 20's, water temps at 39-40 over the main basin, had to break ice at the launch to get out. 9 fish in the boat on topwater baits. Fluke? One fish is a fluke. Two fish is a pretty weird coincidence...9 fish? That's not a fluke any more. In the years since the same type of crazy action has presented itself under cold conditions like that. Prior to that I never gave it much of a thought and put them away at that 50 degree mark and fell into that "they don't work when it's that cold" group. I just didn't give them an honest look when temps dropped that low. Glad I did. |
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| Ulbian, presuming these fish came on a WTD surface bait? Brian
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| Ja Rule - 9/25/2013 3:36 PM
jano - 9/25/2013 1:20 PM
there is a big difference between a hot bait and something that will get a hit or two.
i stop at around 55 for a simple reason there is a lot of more productive thing to throw
But if you stop at 55 how do you know that a topwater isn't the hot bait?
after 24 years of musky fishing i think it's related to experience.every cast i made i made them for really big fish not 30 incher.i am also one of the guy who think wr class fish are almost never caught on top water.
but if you want to use one go for it. |
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Location: Perryville, MO | Jano, I do understand the point you are raising and truly appreciate what you are saying...
And while I don't have the opportunity to regularly fish trophy waters; even yet, I happen to be of the opinion that world record class fish rarely bite on anything. |
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| I'm waiting for TopWater Tommy to come out with his Auger Sister, but until he perfects that design I have to stop when they bounce. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | 'after 24 years of musky fishing i think it's related to experience.every cast i made i made them for really big fish not 30 incher.i am also one of the guy who think wr class fish are almost never caught on top water. '
I think every cast everyone makes one hopes for a really 'big fish'. If there are any available, and if not, the big fish in that system. if you are fishing only for the World record, that's cool, good luck with that, and post images when you get her!
'Big fish' hit topwater until the ice freezes on some water, on others it's near impossible to get a fish to hit topwater after the water hits 48 degrees or so. I have no idea why. |
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Location: Northern Illinois | I always keep my handy Top Raider in the "Hot Box" for the night bite... Crank |
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| QUOTE "After turnover, if you're locating active fish in 20+ feet of water relating to the bottom then topwater is probably not your best choice. "
Well in this scenario its quite obvious, but that wasn't the question. I actually rarely throw topwater post turnover. My point was that if you simply won't use/try a certain bait during any given time period you could be missing out. Although somewhat rare, I've seen and heard of topwater being the hot bait during cold water periods.
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Location: Smith Creek | Right. Let the fish tell you what they want. If they're in the green weeds then throw topwaters. If they're on the deep breaks then don't. Post turnover they can be anywhere. I usually bring one along but very seldom use them. |
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Location: Greenfield, WI | When I put my boat away! |
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| I stop using the top water when they no longer have any action because they're belly sliding across the ice. 
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Location: Elko - Lake Vermilion | Topwaters are Always nearby,.....Ya never know. |
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Location: Elko - Lake Vermilion | hawkeye9 - 9/26/2013 10:53 AM
Jano, I do understand the point you are raising and truly appreciate what you are saying...
And while I don't have the opportunity to regularly fish trophy waters; even yet, I happen to be of the opinion that world record class fish rarely bite on anything.
Hawk,
A 58" Muskie was caught and released on a hog wobbler about 4 yrs ago in a weedy bay on Vermilion,.....So ya, record class fish DO make mistakes,..... Even on Topwater Baits...
That fish is now 60" if still alive.......
Jerome
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Location: Northwest Chicago Burbs | I see a post like this every year, but every time I fish in the fall after say mid-september, no one is throwing topwaters.
Weird. |
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Location: Contrarian Island | do you have night vision goggles on Slamr?  some of the better topwater after mid september can be had the first hour or 2 after dark... plenty of fish in my boat have come on topwaters after mid sept...
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Location: Leech Lake, Walker MN | Never ! |
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Location: WI | Caught a 44 incher on October 9 two years ago on topwater up north. |
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When do you put away the Topwaters?