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| I tried several attempts to make a wire leader for jerkbaits but putting a bolt through them and the other end around a u-bolt on the boat trailer by pulling hard and jerking 7-10 times they would tighten up and break. This was with 174lb single strand, it did take a good amount of force and jerking but it would eventually fail. Also it seemed that the point they failed was not consistent. I was using the haywire twist and then wrapping it tight. I wasn't sure if I was doing something wrong or this was normal and it is strong enough for a fish? Is there a better way than what I tried? I have crimped wire leaders with a stay-lok and a spro swival but wanted to eliminate the weight and get more action. Any input would be great, thanks |
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Location: Minnesota: where it's tough to be a sportsfan! | I go the low down dirty cheap way for mine. I stop in the welding supply and pick up SS welding rods,(various diameters available) cut to length, use a round nose pliers loop both ends, stay loc on the bait side or a split ring if wanted and you are done. Low cost, custom lengths and tests. The rod bends fairly easily but it straightens good too. If I catch a fish and it's a mess, I just replace it. |
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| Be VERY interested what more experienced leader guys will say...since I make my own 174# leaders (but am not very experienced)
Maybe if you yank pretty hard on them like that you'r putting force on them waaay beyond what happens in musky fishing???? dunno -- surprised and a bit shocked
making leaders like Jake Jusa from heavier wire (174# is about 0.029" and 240#, 0.035" and 350# is DCG shaft 0.051") is fine for big blades but not as good for walk the dog and other gliders, mu opinion |
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Location: Yahara River Chain | superstockbigblock - 8/28/2013 12:49 PM
putting a bolt through them and the other end around a u-bolt on the boat trailer by pulling hard and jerking 7-10 times they would tighten up and break.
So tell me how much you weigh? A better test would be getting a 30 pound dog and see if you can get it to break the leader.
Unless you are planning on using the leader to hook to your truck and the other other end to your trailer to yank it out of the water you will have more than enough strength haul in any muskie of Spray proportion.
By your test none of the leaders we normally use today would hold up. |
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Location: Yahara River Chain | As for
superstockbigblock - 8/28/2013 12:49 PM
I have crimped wire leaders with a stay-lok and a spro swival but wanted to eliminate the weight and get more action.
You don't need a swivel unless your bait rolls all the way over. As for the snap, get rid of that too. Use a solid ring on the end of your leader and attach that to a split ring which stays on your bait 24/7. Its the lightest you can be and it allows the bait to jump around more. |
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| I ended up putting crimps on in front of the wire twist, I tried the same test and it would not fail. |
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Location: Yahara River Chain | pic? Not sure why you needed to crimp single strand wire? |
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| I don't have a pic of it, after pulling on it so hard it was snug on the bolts and I had to cut it off. I'm not really sure why the crimps made the difference. Where it was breaking before was where the wire was wrapped tight at, I think the crimp keeps it from stretching at that spot where it is bent so sharply for the turn and that is what makes the difference in strength. |
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Location: Madtown, WI | I've been using a 174# single strand leader for 10+ years and have never had a failure. I wrap mine the same way countless other guys do and have never even heard of a failure. You are over thinking this. |
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Location: Eastern Ontario | In my opinion the purpose of a straight wire leader on a jerkbait is to prevent the hooks from over running the line. Being toothproof and abrasion resistance is much more important than strength and you don't need something you can tow a bus with. Your dealing with a fish that is for the most part neutrally buoyant while in the water and not going to exceed 60 pounds. Besides your not going to swing it into the boat like KVD. |
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| I must be missing something. Single strand wire is the most failure proof leader material I know of , EVER, .I been addicted to this thing a long,long time .45+ years. Here are the components in order. Split ring , solid ring , wire , solid ring. One key thing to remember is to not let any bend in the wire equal 90 degrees. This would be the only place this wire could fail. |
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Location: Grand Rapids, MI | superstockbigblock - 8/30/2013 5:15 AM I don't have a pic of it, after pulling on it so hard it was snug on the bolts and I had to cut it off. I'm not really sure why the crimps made the difference. Where it was breaking before was where the wire was wrapped tight at, I think the crimp keeps it from stretching at that spot where it is bent so sharply for the turn and that is what makes the difference in strength. You're doing the haywire twist wrong if the wire it slipping. The tag end isn't wrapped around the main wire it must be twisted with the main wire. |
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Location: Planet Meltdown | Just buy a quick twist tool from cabelas for $12.99. I started making my own #174 single strand leaders this way and once you get the hang of it, its simple and easy. |
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| 65-90lb wire no slip knot ...don't over complicate things guys,you only need two wraps
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y68hlY33fxg |
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