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| Obviously Muskie are not as common so you catch less overall, but when there is a fish in the vicinity and you have a lure within its reach which requires more skill to produce a bite?
I fish equally for both and I must admit I think bass requires a more skilful hand. More research goes into muskie fishing. I spend more money on it. But when it comes to finesse bass fishing requires more skill in my humble opinion. |
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Location: minocqua, wi. | Bass Fishing techniques and dialing down a bite is similar to musky fishing to me. Achieving success with both makes you a better angler. Both species are predatory and can tax your brain while trying to figure them out on a given day/situation.
I love musky fishing, but there are times I'd rather be bassin'!!
To me the toughest game and most skilled anglers are the ones that catch schooling fish consistently ... crappies/walleyes/perch. Wish I was better at that. |
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| I think it is much easier to sort out what you are doing when bass fishing. You are presenting to so many more targets, you are capable of making a lot of errors and yet still getting enough response for you to hone your presentation, and eventually zero in on fish. When musky fishing, particularly for beginners, it can be difficult to get the feedback you need to reinforce your good choices, and there is probably more of a tendency to go off on a tangent, due to encountering an "accidental" fish.
You have a hard time sorting out anectdotal encounters from repeatable presentations, reactions and placements. |
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Location: Minnesota. | jonnysled - 7/5/2013 11:37 AM
To me the toughest game and most skilled anglers are the ones that catch schooling fish consistently ... crappies/walleyes.... Wish I was better at that.
Man, you got that right!!
I have a good friend of 33 yrs who consistently...CONSISTENTLY....takes lots of walleyes in his one week on the Big V., mid-summer too. CONSISTENTLY!! I'm talking over a hundred in recent yrs. per week. I've seen the results. Used to be 150+ only a few yrs back.
He's the best guy I know and also the HARDEST working fisherman I've ever come across. He could guide but doesn't. A pretty quiet, and surely solitary guy and I can't get the way he simply finds fish. Not the latest/greatest electronics by any means. Back when we just had the "greenbox" he did just as good.
And nope, he'll generalize on how he does it but that's it. Can't blame him either. He worked very, very hard at getting to where he is but I'll tell you he's an amazing fisherman and a really good guy. Just doesn't blabl!! And he fishes where many don't think they would fin fish.
I just can't figure out how he does it...
Back to what Sled said....so true!!
Jeremy.
Edited by Jeremy 7/5/2013 12:30 PM
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Location: Ontario | The process of start to finish of catching, then releasing, there is no comparison in my honest opinion. Bass are fun. Musky can be downright scary...especially in the dark.
But.... dealing with a nice 6lb smallie is always a treat |
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| Depends on the lake. Late 90's on the Big V or LSC now, are very easy to catch muskie, you just need to show up. Try fishing them on the Big V now and you need a bit more skill. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Bass'n successfully and catching the largest specimens available with any regularity is quite similar in skillset when compared to fishing muskies.
Catching the best quality crappies and bluegills available in any body of water consistently is also a serious challenge (one I truly enjoy trying to get figured out), as sled mentioned. |
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| don't you just need a shiny metalflake boat that goes 80mph.
JUST KIDDIN |
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Location: Northern IL | A skillful hand? The mechanics of how to make a cast or a trolling pass is the easy part in fishing. The more knowledgable the fisherman becomes about the way fish uses bottom features, bass or muskie, the more successful he will become. Both fishermen as a whole are about equal in their interpretation...
Buck Perry always said if the fishermen was ever able to learn catch the "adult" lm bass on a consistent basis all other species would be a piece of cake, and he was right. The adult lm bass is by far the one most effected by a bad weather and or water condition and the most difficult to catch on a constant basis. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | The question was the 'skillful hand', AKA skill set, which should include knowing where to find the largest specimens and get a presentation in front of them they will eat. The question was quantified with the scenario that the fish are in the area so the angler has that figured out... Q was which takes more skill to get to eat a lure if you have it 'within their reach'. |
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| Where does "spoonplugging" come in and what is it...can you elaborate? |
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Location: oswego, il | to me its all about where you fish. I would not just bass fish anywhere and I know places to go and catch a ton of them easily. I was on lsc a few weeks ago and brought an ulgy stick spinning rod with me. what an esy place to catch bass from. its all where you fish. |
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| Funny thing about this thread is that my dad and I were just talking about it on our way home from getting our butts handed to us chasing muskies all afternoon and evening. My comment to dad was when was the last time they did not catch a single fish at the bassmaster classic lake they did last year on green bay with the pmtt!!!!!!! While they are similar because they are both a predatory fish and you can develope a pattern that is about where the similarities stop. SO many more chances bass fishing and not near as physically taxing. Just ask my arms right now after cranking bucktails for the last 8 hours!!!!!! |
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| Shortest answer, God made bass so everybody could catch a fish! More complex answer, nearly all the big money, events, and numbers of anglers trying are involved with bass, and like Steve implied....there are very, very, (really quite painfully) few at the top of that game, maybe even only one guy. So, it's not really a fair comparison unless you would ask, "What is harder at the very highest level of competition? And, like alluded to above, a six pound slab on 8 lb test is likely going to be a lot more fight for the money. |
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Location: Northern IL | Bturg,
If you have questions I'd be happy to help in anyway I can.
A friend said it like this:
WHAT SPOONPLUGGING REALLY IS!,
When most fisherman are asked what spoonplugging really is, most will say it is a method of trolling, or "speed trolling". Many others think it is the exclusive of the spoonplug lure. Very few fishermen know what the true definition and meaning of spoonplugging is.
Spoonplugging was the word that was coined by Buck Perry to describe the basic knowledge needed to become a successful fisherman. It means being at the right place at the right time, presenting your lures in the right manner to arrive at the fish consistently.
Before we go any further in describing what spoonplugging really is, I’d like to tell you a little bit about the man that started it all. He is Buck (Elwood)Perry, of Hickory, N.C. He is known as the father of modern day fishing, and the daddy of structure fishing. Virtually all the so-called discoveries in fishing can be traced back down to Buck Perry. He is the one that coined the words structure,breaks and breaklines and gave them there original definitions and meaning for our fishing vocabulary. He was the first one to speak of the effects of a cold front, and described how it affected our fishing. Buck has shared his many years of fishing knowledge with his book "Spoonplugging – Your guide to lunker catches" and his (9) volume home study course.
Anyone that has studied his material would tell you that spoonplugging is more than a method of just trolling. Spoonplugging is the knowledge required to catch fish consistently and the sharing of this knowledge with others. This knowledge required can be broken down by the following:
· Knowledge and the understanding of the basic movements of the fish
· Knowing the lake features(structure,breaks and breaklines)
· Knowing how weather and water conditions effect our fishing
· Knowing the different lake types(natural lakes & manmade lakes)
· How to map and interpret a fishing situation.
· Controls(depth and speed)and the equipment we use(tools)
· Our presentation of lures (casting and trolling)
Fishing success cannot be bought through the latest or hottest new lure. It can not be bought through the latest equipment, or some kind of gadget. Buck says that knowledge is the key to fishing success.
Several well known fisherman have started there fishing careers and gained most of there knowledge from Buck Perry’s teachings.
Spoonplugging is not outdated. It has been around for well over 50 years, and is just as effective now as it was back then. The behavior of the fish has not changed.
Spoonplugging is not a selfish approach to ones fishing. Once you become a good spoonpluggers, you’ll find the desire to share it with others. Once you become a good, you’ll be able to take the whole family fishing regardless of skill level, or knowledge that they may or may not have. You’ll find that you can have them catch most (if not all) of the fish. There is nothing that is more satisfying to me than to watch a young child, friend or spouse to start catching fish. Most of the time they end up catching the biggest fish of the day.
Spoonplugging will work on all major game species (Musky,Northern Pike,Walleye, Strippers, White bass, Large and smallmouth bass). Once you know the basics you’ll feel at home on any body of water you fish. It works from Minnesota to Florida and from California to NewYork. It applies to all freshwater lakes and reservoirs. If you want to begin your fishing success, I urge you to make an investment for the book "Spoonplugging, your guide to lunker catches. It may be purchased at www.buckperry.com Remember, Buck Sez: "Knowledge is the key to fishing success!"
Best of luck!
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Location: minocqua, wi. | holy crap jerry ... i almost made it to the second sentence before getting dizzy. |
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Location: Ames, Iowa | At Leech in August near dusk or early in the morning I can find all the 3-5 pound bass I want to catch and do so using 3 techniques: 1) a small chub or big minnow shallow under a slipbobber; 2) a jig in combo with a plastic trailer of almost any kind; 3) casting a small bucktail into the cover. Can't say the same thing about muskie fishing on Leech in August near dusk or early in the morning. I think ToddM makes a good point. |
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Location: Gilberts IL/Rhinelander WI | jonnysled - 7/6/2013 8:27 AM
holy crap jerry ... i almost made it to the second sentence before getting dizzy.
Further than me... |
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| No, muskies are lots harder. The exception is if you shoot at only the largest bass in the water. Then the challenge gets a little more balanaced. On the last hand, once you learn muskies it is easy to move back to targeting only really big bass. |
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| That is a tough question. I think bass anglers need to be willing to change things up at a moments notice to keep on the fish. Here is an example.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYZCWAf4rss&feature=youtu.be |
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love it!! |
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| Downsizing...pretty good tip.
Are there different sizes of these spoonplugs ? |
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Location: Smith Creek | Spoonplugging for strippers? Tell me more! |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Sounds fun. I think I'll leave the rest of the family at home for that excursion, though. |
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Location: Northern IL | Here is where you can view the different size lures:
http://www.buckperry.com/images/SIZE.jpg
If a larger size or a deeper depth is desired John Bales is building 2 great running baits. He calls them the JB1 and 2. They are 8" in size, the #1 is a great choice for trolling weedlines or breaklines for muskie out to about 35'. If deeper depths are required the JB2 is a very good choice.  |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Nice.... |
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Does bass fishing take more skill/finesse?