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| Just curious on what kind of flap-tails, you are throwing.
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Location: SE, WI. | My favorite is the one I build. My last one from this winter. pic 4 U
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| The best one is still the Snodlow, many big fish on these baits over the years.
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| Luv mine by Corey Meyer, but Matt Wirth is making all sorts of killer baits these days including flappers.Might have to try one... |
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Location: Twin Cities, MN | I picked up a Joel Wick version this last off season, and based on the sound of his other topwaters, I cannot wait to snap it on...
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Location: S.Wisconsin | Lol. Thanks for the plug Steve. I have some Corey Meyer flaptails that are very nice but good luck finding one. The Wick flaptails rock but are hard to find or you can get put on "THE" list. My flaptails are soon to become my fave tho  |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Russ Smith for a production lure. Very nice. |
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Location: oswego, il | just curious, I see alot of flaptails like the one shown with the blade attached directly and have one that attaches via split ring. just curious how much difference that makes with sound. |
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Location: Lake County Illinois | I like the Smity slaptails also. |
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Location: Elgin IL | Cisco Kid Topper great lure for flat calm water. Would like to see someone make a larger version.
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Location: Latitude 41.3016 Longitude 88.6160 | Amweican Hard Woods
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| The one of one Truglide looks nice, [ maybe too nice to use] |
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Location: midwest | Trueglide and Wicks are the two I like the most. |
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| How do I get a hold of Trueglide? |
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Location: Pewaukee, WI | My favorite are the old Hi-Finn flap tails, but there tough to find. Modify it like JD splasher with the drop rear hook. Coming in a close second is the "Original" JD Splasher! Yes Jim, I still throw it! (a lot!)
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| How do I get a hold of Trueglide? Might get Joe to build you one . There is one up on the MI 50 stocking fundraiser right now. |
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| Don't know if you can find 'em anymore---but I have an old Musky Mania "DYING FISH" that every year seems to trip the trigger on a few fish. As far as flap tails go----it works great. good Luck----happy flappin' Jobu |
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| Not available yet but could be soon? What are your thoughts?
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| Lee,
I really like the look of the new bait. I will be interested to buy one once they become available.
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Location: Montreal, Que. Canada | Lee,
Does the body have a wobble at a curtain speed?
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Location: S.Wisconsin | Looks good Lee |
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| David, it has more of that body movement when you use it without the screw-eye "clacker" on the back. It also has more plopping sound without the clacker.
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | More of a pain to build, but I'd go with the brass L and nail for the blade hanger. That system allows for tuning the lure, and makes a totally different-- and I feel more effective-- sound. |
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Location: SE, WI. | Steve is right.... I also use the brass bracket and nail. Nail will get small amounts of rust on it...also the brass will start to wear as the nail and brass contact each other, creating grinding, scraping, squeaking and different sonics that most baits don't have and makers just don't realize. Other ideas are different types of cylinder style backings like beads that will wear at faster speeds but can give different sonics. Bill; that is an oldy...Looks like a Dog Turd , that dog ate some bad spinach....LOL...might want to change the hooks Dude! Also, looks like the bracket broke on you, guess you do use quite often. Give me that puppy, I'll mount a new bracket on there for you. Will get better sound than that swivel. JD |
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| Cant go wrong with a jdsplasher or joel wick. Both sound good and catch fish |
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| I gotta believe that the confidence someone has in a particular topwater bait goes beyond any other lure style. I suppose because it's more fun than the rest?
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Location: SE, WI. | Yes; Building your own, and trying different scenario's, to create different noises sometimes pays off when Mr musky comes breathing down your surface bait. Confidence in your own baits, building, and fun making them, makes it all rewarding when the big one sits in the parameters of your landing net. Building your own, brings a variety, and unique-ness to your arsenal, and not having the same as what everyone else is using. JD |
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| Hi all, here are my interpretations of the flaptail that I just finished up. First off I want to give a big thanks to all who have contributed to this thread and flaptail threads in the past. When I set off to do a flaptail the first thing I did was research the archives here on M1st. Many of my design inspirations and even that ugly brown paint pattern came from searching here – thank you. The biggest surprise for me when building these was the extended line tie/leader. At first I left it long just for nostalgia’s sake, but when testing the lures I find it makes the lure highly tunable. If I want to retrieve the lure extremely slow I can bend it up slightly and it allows the tail to flap right on the surface, if I want to speed up the retrieve a little I can bend it down to keep the flaptail gurgling without blowing out too much. I’m not sure if this works with all flaptails, maybe it’s just mine with the convex belly. The double flaptail is the one I prefer out of these, it sounds awesome. I was afraid they would interfere too much, but they only clank together every few seconds. I may make a batch of the double loon if there is interest. I like the single version too and it works well. I may make some of these as well, but to me I’m thinking those single flaptails need some creeper wings
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | That blade hanger using a bead rocks, I did that on the original hand built 'Turd' because the brass nail wasn't available to me Back in the 80's and it caught a BUNCH of muskies. Interesting you reversed the hanger and mount the carrier from the top, looks great!
The noise that bead makes grinding on the hanger is unique for sure. I also came up with the 'stinger' idea suspending a smaller hook below and behind the lure because so many fish sorta 'slurp' the thing and I'd miss them. The stinger stuck 'em, and usually they ended up with a main hook stuck somewhere pretty quickly. The front lead wire was Dave Snoddy's design all the way.
The Original was a Heddon Vamp Flaptail, invented long before even I was born.
Darned old lure there. |
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| Very cool Mike. Would like to see your Double Flaptail run. Looks fun!
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Location: Pewaukee, WI | Run with this bait Lee! All your baits have been great producers in the past. |
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Location: SE, WI. | MIKE; THE KEY ON THOSE DOUBLES ARE THE BRACKETS. Great job on those. I made a couple back in the early 90's. I'd show them, but embarrassing compared to yours. The noise is unexplainable...sounds like a bunch of blades inside a garbage can. Caught several ski's on them...44" was the biggest, amazing what these things will eat. Next winter, I'll work on those doubles a bit more. JD |
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Location: Elroy, Wisconsin | When making flaptails the Snoddy short wire is the way to go. Dave and I tested a variety of woods, cedar, basswood were the best. We took the raw turned bait before painting and spun them in a pail of water, where they stopped spinning was determined to be the heavy point , or the belly of the lure. It was amazing the variation in specific gravity of different woods,
In order to get the sincapated tail flap Snoddy liked, the ratio of flotation vs. hardware was key. Archemedes Principal of objects buoyancy equal to the amout of water displaced was used to determine overall size. Dave did not want too much buoyancy as it spoiled the flaptail action.
When making these lures these considerations result in flaptails that catch monster fish. We always wondered why certain lures were fish catchers and certain lures were fish catchers and others were not. The aboved answered some of the questions.
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| jdsplasher - 4/30/2013 10:21 AM MIKE; THE KEY ON THOSE DOUBLES ARE THE BRACKETS. Great job on those. I made a couple back in the early 90's. I'd show them, but embarrassing compared to yours. The noise is unexplainable...sounds like a bunch of blades inside a garbage can. Caught several ski's on them...44" was the biggest, amazing what these things will eat. Next winter, I'll work on those doubles a bit more. JD Oh com’on - not embarrassing, fish don’t care about a pretty paint job, that’s just for fun…
Flaptail’s are pretty neat baits, for a simple as they are there are many intricacies to them.
I just saw Ty Sennett’s flaptail on the Drifter site, I like the way he did it with the creeper wing bracket.
Lee – thanks man, I’d like to see/hear your flaptail run too. Funny thing is I built a flaptail and I haven’t even owned one until now. I have no baseline. I do have a hunch on what sounds good though. I do have a buddy with some Snoddy’s he’s going to let me throw – probably not in musky waters though - lol
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| I got an old Hi-Fin flaptail new in the package at an estate sale and have been thinking of breaking it out. How do you modify the hooks on it? Thanks |
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Location: SE, WI. | trolling eyes...you have a PM. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Take a look, from 2005. My original Turd from about 1979/1980 is pictured here. That lure caught a bunch of fish. Still have it somewhere.
http://muskie.outdoorsfirst.com/board/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=21... |
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| Thanks, I'll give it a try! |
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| Mike Richardson/Woodbridge Tackle and i threw a bunch of different flaptails today at a small pond. We threw modern day brands as well as old timers, was a good time. Gotta say he had some great looking protos of his own, but his double flaptail waS AAAAWESOME !I'm in line for one of them bad boys when available! |
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| Thanks Steve, I was quite impressed with your flaptail collection. If that’s how many of just flaptails you have I can imagine a trip to your entire lure library would be overwhelming. It was cool to cast my new flaptail with what’s considered the benchmark of the lure style. I observed many interesting things, some still a mystery lol. I have to admit my confidence will struggle throwing a flaptail except on those super calm nights when everything else in my box sounds like inagodadavida coming through the water. But that double flaptail I’m really liking and it will see a lot of time in the water. I put a video up of it on my facebook page. I’m not savvy enough to get it on here? Thanks again. |
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