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| I just read the article below and am wondering if more musky stocking in the rivers would help with the carp problem? I don't know what exactly is being done to control the carp, besides that electric fence, but something besides an electric fence needs to be done. Since Americans won't eat carp, maybe musky are a better solution.
http://news.yahoo.com/report-asian-carp-may-reached-great-lakes-130... |
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| No number of muskies could control the Asian carp explosion, and muskies would not bother the 20-30 pound spawning females. I like the idea, but we need 500 pound sharks and sea lions (and lots of them) to come to many of our freshwater rivers 
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Location: 31 | Justin, good idea on the 500lb sharks! That might help “reduce” the amount of water skiers, and I bet a 500lb shark would be a good fight… "sounds like win win for the fisherman". |
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Location: 15 miles east of Lake Kinkaid | I believe Justin is right on. But it sure would be cool to use Nile perch or Goliath Tigerfish to control Asian carp.... |
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Location: Sawyer County, WI | I'm no biologist, but introducing an IAS to control an existing IAS seems somewhat misguided to me.
MuskyMATT7 - 4/4/2013 9:59 AM
I believe Justin is right on. But it sure would be cool to use Nile perch or Goliath Tigerfish to control Asian carp.... |
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| Not saying they should do it, but it wouldn't be the first time it's been tried. Asian Beetles (Lady Bugs) were a result of this. IIRMC I believe Musky in the St. Louis River system were stocked to control invasives at one point in the history of that fishery.
Doesn't mean it will work, but it has been tried. |
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Location: The desert | dfkiii - 4/4/2013 9:20 AM
I'm no biologist, but introducing an IAS to control an existing IAS seems somewhat misguided to me.
MuskyMATT7 - 4/4/2013 9:59 AM
I believe Justin is right on. But it sure would be cool to use Nile perch or Goliath Tigerfish to control Asian carp....
If you're going to attemp control via a non native species it is best to use a sterile for of the control species. This could be accomplished through the use of tiger musky.
The obvious reasoning behind this is the introduced species is easily managed through stocking. |
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Location: Maplewood, MN | Alligator Gar. Problem solved! |
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Location: Smith Creek | IAJustin - 4/4/2013 9:50 AM
No number of muskies could control the Asian carp explosion, and muskies would not bother the 20-30 pound spawning females. I like the idea, but we need 500 pound sharks and sea lions (and lots of them) to come to many of our freshwater rivers :)
They could easily control the invasives if they were equipped with laser guns. |
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Location: 15 miles east of Lake Kinkaid | Ddkiii-
My post was a joke..... How could you take that serious? |
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Location: north central wisconsin | The problem is that the Chicago river canal is as much an invasive species as the fish that reside within it's banks. There are precious few ships that use it to its full extant anymore, and this sorry excuse for a 'river' needs to be shut down, creating the land barrier between the Mississippi basin and the great lakes, that once existed. I'm far from a left winger, but nobody can argue that a multi billion dollar sport/commercial fishing industry(an industry that dwarfs the shipping that uses that cess pool) will thank them for it... that is, if it is not already too late. Studies show DNA from these flying chunks of fat, is already in Lake Michigan. Further studies are underway to determine whether this DNA could exist via bird droppings. I hope so, but let's face it, does anyone really believe this unreliable electric barrier is going to stop the spread? |
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| Agree. There is no dependable barrier currently in use that will stop the carp, and they should have already closed the flow and made it landlocked. They are probably already in the great lakes system, unfortunately. I doubt there has been a permanent electric current available to this weir system. Summer storms, ice, car crashes and the like, have the tendency to make a "constant electrical current", a myth, not a reality.
As for invasives to control invasives? Hey, it's been done several times in history, but the law of unintended consequences can wreak havoc with these interventions.
It would not bother me to see new species introduced into some fisheries, and there are probably bio-niches available in some waters, but you would have to figure closely where they would live and what would limit them once they got here. I believe the original carp that came in were supposably sterile, or triploid. The carp came in to control invasive vegatation. Whack a smilie on that one, eh!
There are some fantastic fish out there that might be just spit in the bucket in the near ocean southern river systems, but what there total effect might be, just a crap shoot of predictability as to the good or bad they might do. |
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| LOL about the Sea Lions....Forgive me---off post but entertaining......
Living on an island in the North Pacific, Alaska, and doing a lot of Salmon fishing---Man Sea Lions are just killing machines-nasty, bad ass, fear nothing killers...
Hooked and was fighting about a 25-30 lb King Salmon a couple years ago--and Man out of no where a Sea Lion grabbed it---one bite--all gone--just a small piece of the head left on my line--crazy stuff.
Buddy had one jump up on his back swim step while netting a Salmon--said it was the scariest thing he has ever seen or experienced---this guy has seen it all as a charter guide---Orca killer whales etc....
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| I doubt there's anything that can be done to wipe out the Asian carp. They are way more prolific than anything native. But a population of hybrid muskies sure would make for a fun decade or so of fishing! We need a bunch of otters. Talk about an eating machine... |
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Location: Thief River Falls MN | I am for the sea lions, when we come in when fishing down in Cabo they have no problem cleaning up leftover bait... 
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| We can commercial fish every other species to the brink of collapse not sure why this one is different. |
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| Because most people think of carp as dirty fish. We need to export it to China, they don't have carp problems because they eat them. |
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Location: New Hope MN | I think you guys are missing the boat on this one. Tiger musky stocking to help prevent spread of asian carp sounds like a good marketing tool to get some new lakes and rivers stocked |
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| Commercial fish them and ship them to China. I believe there are a few companies looking at doing exactly this. |
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Location: Hayward, WI | ARmuskyaddict - 4/5/2013 9:14 AM
Because most people think of carp as dirty fish. We need to export it to China, they don't have carp problems because they eat them.
Somebody has to figure out a way to make money with these things. Fertilizer? |
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| My understanding is they have been trying to find ways to market them for years but they have a bone structure that makes it very difficult to process them for food. I think the only economic way to get rid of them would be if someone could develop a poison that only impacted the carp. Don't know if that is even possible. |
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Location: Hayward, WI | I'd think fish patties would take care of the bone issue? Fillet them to remove the back bone and maybe ribs and run them through the grinder. I may need to start my own asian carp fish market!
By the way toddb - that's quite a picture!
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| Spongebob needs to switch to carpy patties instead of crabby patties. |
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| Well I do know for sure that McDonalds is the largest purchaser of carp (not sure what kind) in the world (100% cod.... yeah right). They could definitely do some damage if they started focusing on asian carp. |
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Location: The desert | Reef Hawg - 4/4/2013 11:51 AM
The problem is that the Chicago river canal is as much an invasive species as the fish that reside within it's banks. There are precious few ships that use it to its full extant anymore, and this sorry excuse for a 'river' needs to be shut down, creating the land barrier between the Mississippi basin and the great lakes, that once existed. I'm far from a left winger, but nobody can argue that a multi billion dollar sport/commercial fishing industry(an industry that dwarfs the shipping that uses that cess pool) will thank them for it... that is, if it is not already too late. Studies show DNA from these flying chunks of fat, is already in Lake Michigan. Further studies are underway to determine whether this DNA could exist via bird droppings. I hope so, but let's face it, does anyone really believe this unreliable electric barrier is going to stop the spread?
Depending on what method used to detect the DNA it is entirely possible that the DNA has come from something besides the actual fish being in Lake Michigan.
The DNA sampling is extremely sensitive. We use it to test for QM/ZM and have found that we can pick up QM/ZM DNA from the back seat of a truck where an educational display had been transported several months ago.
The DNA testing can be very valuable but can also be extremely misleading. |
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| That was my same thought after the OJ trial... Ha! I couldn't resist but completely agree with you. It amazes me there isn't much more being done to prevent the carp from getting into the Great Lakes. |
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| There should be an open shotgun season for the jumping carp. People shoot them with bows because they have to treat them like other fish and harvest them. I say bool#*#*! Ride around with shooters and kill every one that makes it airborne and let the turtles eat them. |
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| Beaver I have had the same thoughts. Carp pigeons would be fun. I also think a boat hauling nets a foot off of the water would catch a bunch more than people with nets.
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Location: Greenfield, WI | As long as we are discussing bringing in saltwater options to solve the carp problem, Goliath Groupers would be more than happy with 20-30 pound food sources!
Unfortunately, there are few if any examples of success against invasive species, once they get established.
A million years ago under Governor McCallum, I was part of the Governor's Taskforce against Invasive Species. We had members who were associated with the WDNR, UW Professors, politicians, environmental "wackos", and a number representatives of outdoor organizations. Inspite of good intensions, there were few significant solutions to any of the hundreds of invasive species issues. At best, any solutions were delaying actions against the myriad of bugs, plants, fish, plankton, mussels, etc.
I'm not saying to just throw your hands up and say whatever, but reality is that in most cases, we are left with nature to come up with its own solutions.
Typically, the only hope from a financial basis to be able to direct significant funds toward a problem on a timely basis was if the invasive species was a problem for a major industry in Wisconsin, such as a bug which attacked timber.
Then the solution would be out of the reach of academic and political types so that the problem would not be studied to death with multiple phases over extended periods of time!
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Location: Duluth, MN | There is really only one solution:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hN2gMP3Q2Z4
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Thank you.
That was absuty hilarious And disturbing at the same time.
I love those guys.
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