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| Hello out there.
How are your experience regarding hook up percentage on inline bucktails and spinners with 2x single hooks?
It's baits like this i'm referring to.
http://www.thornebros.com/shop/pc/Eagletail-Lures-Eagletail-Chartre... |
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Location: Chisholm, MN | Haven't thrown them a lot but I did manage to get one to eat it one day. Hooked up just fine. |
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| Thanks for the replay.
I was thinking about converting some of my bucktails to 2x single hooks, because its alot easier to unhook the fish, and my hoop up experience with spinnerbaits are quite good. |
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Location: Lake "y" cause lake"x" got over fished | Honestly My hook up percentages are 100% with single hooked Bucktails. GRANTED I have only had three strikes on my single hookers, but all three have been boated. And it was much easier to unhook the fish all three times. All of my single hook tails are all ones I made myself. So it feels good to catch fish on a bait I built. So no complaints from this angler on the topic |
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Location: New Hope MN | I'm not answering your question, but I have had bad experience with a single hook on a spinner bait. Granted, i only fish them in the slop... just saying it seems i lose a ton of fish on them. |
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Location: Pewaukee, WI | I've been making and using dbl. 10s & dbl. 9s with siwash hooks for years and they work just fine. They are my "go to bait" in slop conditions as well. There have been a number of really large fish taken on this type of bait so it speaks well of its hooking abilities. |
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| I missed several big fish on Eagle tails with the single hooks I saw the fish eat them and saw the bait slide back out of their mouth.
I then cut all the single hooks off my eagle tails and put trebles on them and caught alot more fish
Jeff Hanson
madisonmuskyguide.com |
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Location: 31 | x2 on switching out those single hooks on Eagle Tails back in the day, and same with spinner baits.
When I use single hooks (even for bass), I always bend them with an offset, one right one left. |
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Location: New Hope MN | Jerry Newman - 4/4/2013 10:06 AM
When I use single hooks (even for bass), I always bend them with an offset, one right one left.
*facepalms*
Why didn't i think of this!?! |
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| Seems like there are several opinions, personal iv'e had great success with spinnerbaits
I just got an answer from Dan Moats at Spankybaits (freaking awesome baits) that they lost a lot of fish on single hooks, and had much better luck with trebles. |
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| I've had fair luck with spinnerbaits and still use them. I think the way the blades and wire keeps the hood upright helps. On a bucktail nothing is stopping that hook from laying flat. With single hooks I watched two fish in a row grab the bait and close their mouth only to have the bait pull out as if there wasn't a hook on it. I've never seen that happen with trebles. If your in a situation with heavy reeds or something where there's a need for it than maybe take the chance... but if there's no need for it I'd go with the better odds for a good hookup every time. |
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Location: Yahara River Chain | Jerry Newman - 4/4/2013 10:06 AM
When I use single hooks, I always bend them with an offset, one right one left.
Same here, but don't get too carried away, just enough to grab and dig in, make sure they are honed needle sharp. If you bend it too much too fast you may break the hook. |
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| Which hook would you prefer for something like this?
Top or bottom?
http://imageshack.us/a/img441/6098/20130405124130.jpg
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| i missed a fish on slop master with a single hook. Since then, i have just gotten away from single hook baits. |
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| hunter991 - 4/5/2013 2:12 PM
i missed a fish on slop master with a single hook. Since then, i have just gotten away from single hook baits.
I have missed them on trebles as well, I still use trebles. Never noticed a difference between single or trebels, I have managed to lose fish on both:) |
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Location: 31 | I assume you're referring to a right and left bend to increase looking percentage? First, I think that the lower hook eye is too small to use as a traditional trailer hook. Second, I bend all of my single hooks with an offset, even single hook jigs.
After thousands of fish, I'm convinced that the better percentage is with trebles versus singles, as well as using the 2 offset hooks versus 2 singles that are lined up on spinnerbaits … especially for bass.
With that being said; I personally think that a spinnerbait is just as likely to slide out, or only lightly hook a muskie versus the Eagle Tail. The reason I feel this way is because the spinnerbait hook points are normally in line with one right on top the other, while Eagle Tails are assembled with one hook point up, and one down, with a good distance between them. If your preference is to maintain the single hook on the Eagle Tails, I'm still a firm believer in bending one right and one left to have a better shot at getting a deeper hook set.
Although this is pure speculation… I think that if a muskie takes most of the lure in its mouth, the safety pin design tends to flatten somewhat when the mouth closes, and the arm could even act like a hook guard. After losing a lot of muskies on single hooks (not so much bass), here's something else... let's say the hook doesn't flatten out. Well, the hardest spot to get a hook past the barb in a muskie's mouth has to be that big pile of teeth and bone in the middle of the upper jaw… and a single hook riding straight up has about the best percentage of any style hook to only contact that area.
Story; I lost what I thought was going to be my first 50”er on a single hook Eagle Tail many moons ago, I had caught a plenty of 48-49”s to that point, but just couldn't seem to get over the hump. I thought this fish was mine because she was really slowing down, and seemed to be well hooked with most of the tail still in her mouth. I also noticed she was hooked “somewhere” in the roof of the mouth, when whoosh the lure just popped out right in the middle of a slow turn 10' from the boat. Anyway, I'm sure you see where I'm going with that story and if you were to pretend your hand is a fish's mouth and clamp down on these different hooks, you'll probably be sold on the idea of using trebles whenever possible, and offsetting the single hooks on your typical spinnerbaits. |
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| Jerry Newman - 4/4/2013 10:06 AM
x2 on switching out those single hooks on Eagle Tails back in the day, and same with spinner baits.
When I use single hooks (even for bass), I always bend them with an offset, one right one left.
What he said. |
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Posts: 2026
| Anyone ever try clipping a hook off of a treble and using it as a trailer? Like a double hook, but musky sized. It seems the 2 hooks would help with hooking percentages and be a little more weedless than a standard treble. |
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Location: Milwaukee, WI | I have an older (15 years?) version of the exact same Eagletail you have linked. The hair is bleached out and there's barely any paint left on the blades, and its been without doubt one of my best producing baits ever.. I've lost a few on it, but no more than on my best Cowgirls. I like it when fishing certain types of weeds as it slides through a lot easier than a treble.
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Location: 31 | Louis - 4/5/2013 5:59 PM I have an older (15 years?) version of the exact same Eagletail you have linked. The hair is bleached out and there's barely any paint left on the blades, and its been without doubt one of my best producing baits ever.. I've lost a few on it, but no more than on my best Cowgirls. I like it when fishing certain types of weeds as it slides through a lot easier than a treble. I use these semi-weedless 4x 5/0 hooks, they are pretty easy to make and work great. I can cast a bucktail into my yard and reel it back without snagging the grass.
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Posts: 1098
| Thanks alot for all the great inputs, i'll think i give it a go on some of the smaller size bucktail, and see how it works out for me but on DC10's i'm still going to use trebles. |
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| spinnerbaits main purpose is to go deep into the weed so a treble will make the lure almost useless,anyway when you have good single you don't miss them |
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