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Location: Hayward, WI | Another beginner question:
It seems like most flat sided minnow baits like Jakes or Big Games have the line tie around the nose area of the bait, and many shad styles like Slammer Deep Divers and Kingfisher's Deep Threats have the tie out on the lip. The lips on the shad styles are also usually at a shallower angle and stick well out in front of the nose of the bait where slab sided baits have the lip end about where the nose of the bait ends.
Are these differences because most slab side baits are more often cast and twitched in a shallower presentation where the shads are usually deep divers made to troll?
What situations call for running the line tie through the lip rather than out the nose of the bait?
I'm looking forward to experimenting with different designs myself but am trying to get started with a little understanding of the effects lip design and line tie placement have.
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| Here's a good article to read.
http://www.angelfire.com/tn/treetotreasure/lips.html | |
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Location: Hayward, WI | Thanks for the link. I've read that page before and have it bookmarked, but your linking to it made me read it again. Here's my take on this:
Line tie closer to body gives a deeper dive and tighter wobble.
Line tie farther away is a deeper dive and more wobble.
So, slab sided minnow baits are lighter and less buoyant. The lighter weight gives the bait a wider wobble since it's easier to "move" the bait so they naturally have a wider wobble. They can also use a shorter lip since putting the line tie back directly on the bait to achieve a decent diving depth.
The shad style baits are wider, heavier, and harder to "move" so the line tie needs to be farther out from the body (on the lip) to give them a wide enough wobble. Doing that takes diving depth away so the lips are longer, and mounted at a shallower angle to achieve a deep enough dive.
Am I on the right track? I don't think I've ever seen a slab sided minnow bait with a long, shallow lip with the line tie placed out on the lip. Is it reasonable to think doing so could produce a deep diving Jake-style bait with a very wide wobble?
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Location: Hayward, WI | curleytail - 3/28/2013 9:21 PM
Thanks for the link. I've read that page before and have it bookmarked, but your linking to it made me read it again. Here's my take on this:
Line tie closer to body gives a deeper dive and tighter wobble.
Line tie farther away is a deeper dive and more wobble.
So, slab sided minnow baits are lighter and less buoyant. The lighter weight gives the bait a wider wobble since it's easier to "move" the bait so they naturally have a wider wobble. They can also use a shorter lip since putting the line tie back directly on the bait to achieve a decent diving depth.
The shad style baits are wider, heavier, and harder to "move" so the line tie needs to be farther out from the body (on the lip) to give them a wide enough wobble. Doing that takes diving depth away so the lips are longer, and mounted at a shallower angle to achieve a deep enough dive.
Am I on the right track? I don't think I've ever seen a slab sided minnow bait with a long, shallow lip with the line tie placed out on the lip. Is it reasonable to think doing so could produce a deep diving Jake-style bait with a very wide wobble?
Tucker
Oops I noticed this too late to edit my message.
*Line tie further from the body is shallower diving depth and wider wobble.*
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Line tie through lip or from nose