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| Hey Guys!
Hope to get your help at this question...Can I cast Pounders with a Revo Toro NaCl in size 61? Thank you and Tight lines Jay P  |
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| Can u yes....should you Absolutely NO! That reel is not designed for lures nearly as heavy as a pounder and you will burn it out fast. |
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Location: Grand Forks ND | How would casting a pounder be any different than casting any other type of bait? Only difference I could think of is if the reel engaged by accident. If you're thumbing the spool shouldn't the rod be taking all the stress...you're just letting go at the end of the cast.
I would like further explanation as I have never worried about casting dawgs with my Toro's. Most of the time I use a Luna anyway, but I would quit throwing them with the Abu's if it is bad.
Reeling in a pounder is no problem either, but I could see ripping a pounder would put a lot of stress on the reel. Is that what you're talking about Spencer? |
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| This is actually a very interesting topic. I too purchased a Revo Toro 60 for Pounders. Before I take the lure out of the water, I engage the reel into free spool (so as not to impart weight on the gears while lifting it out the water or wearing the gears by engaging the reel with weight on it) and I don't engage my reel until after the lure hits the water. The way I fish a Pounder is mostly with the rod and then I reel in the slack, but even reeling in the lure straight, there isn’t the resistance like a DC-10 would have. Therefore, I was hoping that the Reveo Toro 60 would be a great Pounder reel and I look forward to the experience of others to let me know differently. |
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Location: Detroit River | The Toro isn't the best reel for throwing pounders but if you do plan to do it I'd suggest that you thumb the spool when jerking the bait to help relieve some of the stress put on the reel. |
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Location: tHe LaKe Of PrIoR, mN | i don't get it I have been using a toro for pounders and mags for 3 years with no issues |
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Location: Canada | Zib - 3/26/2013 11:36 AM
The Toro isn't the best reel for throwing pounders but if you do plan to do it I'd suggest that you thumb the spool when jerking the bait to help relieve some of the stress put on the reel.
^^ I agree. Used my Revo Toro HS 61 to cast mags and pounders last year, it did the job but I can see long term negative side effects to doing so - this year I bought a 401TE to put on my big plastics rod and put my Toro back on my 7'6" "The Jerk" where it belongs. It doesn't matter in my opinion what reel you are using, you should always be thumbing your spool when twitching, ripping or with jerk baits. |
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Location: Lake "y" cause lake"x" got over fished | MuskyManiac09 - 3/26/2013 9:50 AM
How would casting a pounder be any different than casting any other type of bait? Only difference I could think of is if the reel engaged by accident. If you're thumbing the spool shouldn't the rod be taking all the stress...you're just letting go at the end of the cast.
I would like further explanation as I have never worried about casting dawgs with my Toro's. Most of the time I use a Luna anyway, but I would quit throwing them with the Abu's if it is bad.
Reeling in a pounder is no problem either, but I could see ripping a pounder would put a lot of stress on the reel. Is that what you're talking about Spencer?
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I am also a Toro fan and would like some more info on why? I do have a Pete Mania with a lower gear ratio that I think I will put on my Pounder rod. Instead of the Toro then and leave that for my bucktail and topwater rod. But curious on all opinions for the Toro and why it is bad for throwing Pounders. I do have the 5.4:1 gear ratio in the old Toro. Any additional info is appreceated. Thanks |
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| It would be interesting to hear some input on this subject from someone affiliated with Abu Garcia!
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Location: Green Bay, Titletown, WI | I've used a 5.4:1 revo 60, for mag dawgs the past 3 years. Never had an issue yet. Do all your preventative maintenance, clean and lube it once or twice a year, and it should be fine. I realize pounders are a different beast, but like everyone said above, use the rod to cast, and thumb the spool, and you should be good. |
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Location: MN | I think, and hope, that Spencer was referring to retrieving it (esp ripping) vs casting it. If you take the precautions some of the others mention above it should not be a major problem casting them. |
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Location: Lake "y" cause lake"x" got over fished | BMuskyX - 3/26/2013 12:10 PM
It would be interesting to hear some input on this subject from someone affiliated with Abu Garcia!
Jaimy
That's a good thought. The MN expo is next week and I am gonig to ask them what they think about it. Whatever I find, I will relay here. |
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| I'm a shimano guy, but my guess is that the risk has to do with casting mishaps and ripping the bait on the retrieve, ie force on the gears. Not many baits exert force like a pounder when you have a casting mishap. |
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| Is a 400d better? I would think a pounder is going to be rough on reel. Is the TE's stronger than revo 60s? Thanks. |
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| I used it all last year with mags, pounders and 2 pounders with out a issue. just make sure you use your thumb when ripping them. Every time you set the hook on a fish with any bait is going to be more stress on it than throwing rubber with it.
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| Regarding Spencers reply,
Understand he makes a living out of throwing pounders all day long most everyday he works.
Can you use your Toro? Sure
Is it the absolute best application for that reel? Probably not.
If you palm your reel it is possible to thumb the spool during the pull, if your a forgrip guy it might be a bit of a trick but certainly doable.
At the end of the day we all have to use the equipment we have and make it happen.
Joe
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Location: Grand Rapids, MI | Sounds like lots of speculation going on... I would really like to hear from someone that knows details on the anti-reverse in the Toro and other reels. I'm not so sure the AR on the Toro is any less up to the task than any other reel. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | I have a query in to Abu Garcia, will post an answer when I hear back. |
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Location: tHe LaKe Of PrIoR, mN | sworrall - 3/26/2013 4:28 PM
I have a query in to Abu Garcia, will post an answer when I hear back.
Thanks just found it weird since I have used dawgs quite a lot with my toro 60 and haven't had a issue
I know not to throw them on a trinidad unless you like loosing lures but the toro??? |
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| Why not The trinidad ? |
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| What's a Pounder? |
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| So if a Toro NaCl 61 isn't enough which reel would you prefer? |
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Location: Grantsburg, Wisc | crix - 3/26/2013 11:19 AM
i don't get it I have been using a toro for pounders and mags for 3 years with no issues
And that little Toro 60 seems to fit those " Burger King Hands " better also.
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| Zinox - 3/26/2013 5:57 PM
Why not The trinidad ?
You want the line on a trinidad to be as tight as possible to the spool. The reel has no anti-backlash components and no level wind. A pounder doesn't pull very hard so the line will get loose and if you are not careful you can get the mother of all Backlashes.
The reel certainly has the guts for the task, just the particulars of casting that reel could cause some headaches. |
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Location: tHe LaKe Of PrIoR, mN | ski junkie - 3/27/2013 5:54 AM
crix - 3/26/2013 11:19 AM
i don't get it I have been using a toro for pounders and mags for 3 years with no issues
And that little Toro 60 seems to fit those " Burger King Hands " better also.
Hehehehehehe
hahaha I'm not burger king hands even he cant palm the toro 60
how you been lance ?
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Location: tHe LaKe Of PrIoR, mN | Zinox - 3/26/2013 5:57 PM
Why not The trinidad ?
when ripping bulldawgs picking up the slack the trinidad seems to load one side and also be the line gets loose on the spool, then casting it backlashes a lot.. I know it can be done and I have before but only when straight retrieved dawgs. I palm my tn16 if you are a foregrip type guy you can direct/tension the line on to the spool then it would probably be just fine but I learned my lesson backlashing when hucking pounders not good |
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| My question is which reel or reels would you recommend Spencer? I fished with you and you had me use a Revo Toro Winch, so is it more of a lower gear ratio dealing better with the wear and tear, or was that your only lefty reel? I have a 2 Revo Toros, and use them both to throw big rubber with no issues in 2 years, so I'm interested in what the ill effects are. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Pure Fishing's Response:
You may use the Revo Toro NACL 5.4:1 60 Series dual anti-reverse equipped reels to throw heavy soft plastic and other heavy lures with confidence. The gearing will be fine working the lure. If, however, you continually stop a 1 pound lure in the air by engaging the reel with the drag cranked all the way down instead of stopping it with your thumb/water contact, eventually something will break. That's true with pretty much any reel. Make sure your rod matches the load exerted by 'lobbing' and 'ripping' 1 pound lures, the correct rod will reduce stress on the reel.
An example of a recommended rod for heavy muskie lures, the Volatile Series VOLCMU86-8 8'6" length 50 to 100# test line XH F 6 to 16 ounces 11 guides +Tip
It is not recommended you use the 6.4:1 for very heavy lures.
Keep the reel clean, lubricated, and maintained. |
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| So, would a Mag. Dawg be considered a "Very Heavy" lure? |
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| The heaviest lures that I have are Mag Dawgs......I assume I have nothing to worry about with a Toro Winch or 6500C3???
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Lucky Craft Man - 3/27/2013 7:41 PM
So, would a Mag. Dawg be considered a "Very Heavy" lure?
Please read my post again. A 16 ounce lure should be no problem. |
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Location: North Central IL USA | sworrall - 3/27/2013 4:12 PM
It is not recommended you use the 6.4:1 for very heavy lures.
Why? |
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| sworrall - 3/27/2013 9:23 PM
Lucky Craft Man - 3/27/2013 7:41 PM
So, would a Mag. Dawg be considered a "Very Heavy" lure?
Please read my post again. A 16 ounce lure should be no problem.
I did read your post and I guess I should have clarified. I have a Revo Toro 60 (6.4:1 Ratio) that I was going to use for Pounders, but after reading your post, it seems that Abu Garcia is saying that a model 60 with a 6.4:1 should not be used with "very heavy" lures. Since your post was asking about Pounders, I would guess that Abu Garcia would classify the Pounder as a "very heavy" lure, hence not recommending the use a reel with a 6.4:1 ratio to cast them. Therefore, my question was would a Mag. Dawg (the 9 ounce version) be considered very heavy (i.e., can a 6.4:1 ratio model 60 reel be used safely with the Mag. Dawg?). Thanks. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | The faster the retrieve on any reel, generally speaking the finer the gear teeth. The finer the gear teeth, the more propensity for an issue if 'abusing' the reel throwing and ripping very heavy (as in a pound or more) lures.
It's simply recommended to select a 5.4:1 in the NACL if there's an option to when throwing very heavy lures. There are quite a few folks using the 6.4:1 for truly big lures with no issues and some who say one shouldn't. The Pure Fishing Rep I talked to today said it's recommended that if you are going to toss pounders regularly, to opt for the 5.4:1.
That's why so many muskie anglers were upset when the Revo Toro 5.4:1 60 model was discontinued. |
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Can I cast Pounders with a Revo Toro NaCl?