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Location: Maplewood, MN | I looking at getting a 9' TI rod for throwing a lot of tubes, big joes, and dawgs. I will mostly be using tubes with this rod but I've been wanting to throw pounders too (never thrown one). I'm debating on going xh and xxh. Also, what is the difference between a telescopic rod and a solid blank? Thanks.
*I was unclear. Will throwing 1.5-3oz tubes be fine on a xxh rod? |
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Location: Canada | http://muskie.outdoorsfirst.com/board/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=80... |
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Location: Maplewood, MN | Ir realize that thread is there. I guess I was unclear. Will throwing 1.5-3oz tubes be fine on a xxh rod? |
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| No Brainer, If you want to throw weight from mag size to pounders you need a XXH! If your not going to throw pounders then you can use either one! Don't read in to it so much!  |
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Location: Maplewood, MN | muskie24/7 - 12/22/2012 8:19 PM
No Brainer, If you want to throw weight from mag size to pounders you need a XXH! If your not going to throw pounders then you can use either one! Don't read in to it so much! ;-)
I over-analyze everything ha |
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Location: Detroit River | Tubes are one of my favorite baits for musky & I was casting them with a TI XH but was losing too many fish when using the single hook rig because I was pulling the bait out of their mouth. I switched to using the TI MH for tubes & my landing rate increased greatly. |
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Location: Maplewood, MN | Zib - 12/22/2012 9:47 PM
Tubes are one of my favorite baits for musky & I was casting them with a TI XH but was losing too many fish when using the single hook rig because I was pulling the bait out of their mouth. I switched to using the TI MH for tubes & my landing rate increased greatly.
That concerns me... I also have an okuma 8' 2-6oz rod i like larger spinnerbaits on. Think I should keep my shorter tubes and single hook rigs on that? Basically I'm looking for a tube rod that can also throw pounders... |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | 'The telescopic weigh a few ounces more. People say they are great but I don't want moving parts on my rods.'
I use several telescoping rods from TI and Okuma. No issues, great performance, and not a problem. You need to get out more. |
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Location: Maplewood, MN | Anyone have thoughts on 'too stiff of a rod' for smaller rubber? |
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| It depends what size tubes you're planning on using. I have XH and XXH 9' TI (both telescoping with the full cork). I don't have many hours on the XXH, but the XH is definitely what you want for 10" tubes. It will also throw Mag Dawgs well and I have thrown a Pounders on a few occasions. The preferred rod would be the XXH, but the XH will handle them for minimal usage. If you plan on using a 7.5" tube the XH seems a bit stiff. I didn't feel as though I could control the bait as well or feel what it was doing. I don't have the MH to compare, but I presume it would be better for this application. |
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Location: Maplewood, MN | That is one of my concerns, losing feel on smaller baits. Is it possible to have a rod great for tubes and good for pounders without lacking feel for tubes? |
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| MuskieFever - 12/22/2012 11:50 PM
That is one of my concerns, losing feel on smaller baits. Is it possible to have a rod great for tubes and good for pounders without lacking feel for tubes?
My opinion would be no, but it's largely based on personal preference. From the rods that I have used the XH is probably the closest, but it's still at its best for medium weight lures. The 3-12 oz lure rating James gives is very accurate to me. Like I said, I've thrown Pounders with it in moderation and I haven't had issues. If you're going to be serious about throwing them go with the XXH. A 10" Monster Tube works very well with the XH. I haven't had any issues casting or working the lure.
When I drop down to the 7.5" I feel like I lose feel to some degree. It's not awful, but it doesn't fit the rod as well as the 10" tube does. In the past I used a Shimano Compre (rated for 2-6 oz lures) and I didn't have any problems with feeling the tube. I plan to add a MH TI to take its place in the future.
Bottom line, if you plan on throwing medium weight lures the XH is the way to go. It can throw lighter lures or heavier lures in moderation. The XXH isn't a pool cue by any means but I think it will be too stiff if you're looking for something to throw small tubes.
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Location: Tennessee | I'd strongly recommend the xxh for throwing rubber. I've not threw many small ones but I know 10" red october tubes on my XH work but I really dont like the way it loads up. and if storage is an issue you may want to consider the telescopic, but if not get the solid. Luckily not with a fish on, but several times I've had my telescopic TI collapse while fishing. Kinda worries me and I wont be getting any more telescopic rods again. |
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Location: Maplewood, MN | Thanks for the input. I'm now realizing that this will be my tube, big mo, and mag dawg rod. I'll probably pick up a xxh later for pounders. Thanks! |
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| Tubes don't keep fish pinned very well! Espeacially when you use the single hook rigs! No split rings to let the fish move around a little makes it tough to keep them buttoned! I probably lose more/or as many than I net with tubes!  |
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| cave run legend - 12/23/2012 8:36 PM
If your using tubes in rivers or heavy timber areas the single hooks are the ony way to go!
YEP! |
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| The xxh TI rod would be perfect for tubes, but is way to soft for pounders in my opinion. |
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| steve - 12/24/2012 10:07 AM
The xxh TI rod would be perfect for tubes, but is way to soft for pounders in my opinion.
In what ways do you consider the XXH too soft for Pounders (casting, ripping/jerking, hooksets, et cetera)? I have one myself but don't have enough time on it to give a solid critique. |
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| steve - 12/24/2012 9:07 AM
The xxh TI rod would be perfect for tubes, but is way to soft for pounders in my opinion.
That is inaccurate. That rod is too stiff for tubes and perfect for pounders. It launches pounders but has a soft enough tip to keep fish pinned.
I personally use a 7'6" H rod for tubes and I think it is perfect. All of my other rods are 8'6" or longer.
I love tubes. And it is true that they hook and hold fish poorly. I fish mine like jerk baits and rig with three trebles, one of which is at the head of the bait.
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| The rods tip is way to soft for hook set on pounders. You can't rip pounders with the rod either because you loose half the distance of each pull due to the rod being so soft. I've gave it a shot and was very disappointed in the rod for bigger baits. I found the only application I was pretty good for was ripping tubes. Can't keep a fish pinned if you never get it hooked. |
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| Lijewski xxxh is the way to go for ripping pounders. 18 inch butt and super fast action |
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| I like the xxh TI rod for pounders. I had a stiffer one that I felt was too stiff. Everyone is different I guess. |
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Location: Canada | I too, like Landry, am using the TI 9' Telescopic XXH for large tubes (Waterwolf 13" casting rigged), mag Bulldawg's and pounder Bulldawg's. Launch's them a mile, great back bone and the tip feels perfect. Hoping to soon have a 8'6" Big Dawg to compare it to. |
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Location: Maplewood, MN | Not sure if this is helping me or not. I've always been a believer in the fact that there is no advantage to a softer musky rod (besides trolling). I'm leaning towards the xh or possibly the okuma xxh. How is the Okuma xxh for throwing tubes and pounders?? |
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Location: Maplewood, MN | Anyone have experience with the 4-16 okumas? Pounders? |
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| I know the musky mayhem avio rods a little more money but its super light has a 16 inch butt and can throw pounders good if your looking for a 9 foot rod. I use that rod form smaller cranks to pounder. Really versatile rod. |
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Location: Minnesota: where it's tough to be a sportsfan! | I throw allot of soft baits. Smaller tubes I really like to have a bass flipping stik with a decent good sized bass reel. The rest of the rods are TI split grips, the big dawgs the XXH for sure. I have each action but I find myslf using the MH & the XH' more than any others. The MH is just a touch overpowered for smaller tube baits. (large bass size- 5-7" up to 3/4 oz.) So I use a flipping stick. I have never had an issue with the telescopic handles. In fact I absolutely love them for storage ease and taking rods in/out of the cabin. |
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Location: Maplewood, MN | What rod do you use for throwing Monster Medusas? I'm really just struggling with rod length and ounce rating. |
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| Tubes and heavy rubber are really two different things in terms of what is needed to throw them. A weighted 14" Tube might weigh say 6-8 oz. when it is all said and done. (rough estimate) Compare to a Monster Dusa or a Pounder sitting in the 15oz+ range. They might both be used in similar applications but the tackle needs are different.
For Pounders/ Monster Dusas you need a rod with some back bone, but enough give in the tip to load up with the baits properly. If the rod is too stiff or too soft it won't load well and you'll be doing even more work on the cast. The tip also needs to have enough beef to handle the weight of the bait in the 8 or you lose size in your ovals.
The Okuma EVX XH that is rated at 4-16oz is a GREAT rod for big rubber in the Pounder size. It loads up beautifully with them making them much easier to cast, but also has the beef in the tip on the 8. I've used it for 3 years and has zero isues with the telescoping joint.
Also worth noting on that Okuma, it is rated 4oz-16oz, but to be honest, I HATE casting small (4oz.) baits with it. Way too stiff. Put a Mag Dawg or larger on the thing and it comes into it's own. Point being that a weight range is a guideline, what really matters is how the rod handles the lure/tool you are using. This is why I say the needs are different between the baits. That rod will feel like a broom handle with lighter weight tubes and not give you nearly the performance with those baits. |
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Location: Maplewood, MN | That helps a lot! I own one okuma already and really like it, it's 8' and rated 2-6oz which I like for cranks, blades, and ninja tubes. I basically want a rod to throw 10" monster tubes, 14" twisted tubes, monster dussas, and occasionally a pounder. I'm leaning towards an okuma 4-16. TI sound awesome but I feel like the 3-12 might be a hair soft but I'm not sure. |
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| MuskieFever - 12/22/2012 7:41 PM
*I was unclear. Will throwing 1.5-3oz tubes be fine on a xxh rod?
Fine? NO! You want the XH for that. But then you go on to say you want to throw monster dussa's and pounders.. TI XXH is a great rod for that...get both you wont regret it. |
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Location: Maplewood, MN | IAJustin - 12/27/2012 8:58 PM
MuskieFever - 12/22/2012 7:41 PM
*I was unclear. Will throwing 1.5-3oz tubes be fine on a xxh rod?
Fine? NO! You want the XH for that. But then you go on to say you want to throw monster dussa's and pounders.. TI XXH is a great rod for that...get both you wont regret it.
That post is deceiving; the internal weights are 1-3oz but plus the rubber to add 3-5oz depending on length. So really its about 4-8oz tubes. |
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| Personally, I don't throw anything under 9 oz on my XXH's ... but to each their own.. |
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Location: Maplewood, MN | I was attempting to get a rod versatile enough to throw pounders and tubes but I've realized I was asking a little too much. Think I'm gonna go with either an Okuma EVx XXH 8'6" 4-16oz, or a TI 9' 3-12oz. Telescopic for both. |
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| MuskieFever - 12/28/2012 2:08 PM
I was attempting to get a rod versatile enough to throw pounders and tubes but I've realized I was asking a little too much. Think I'm gonna go with either an Okuma EVx XXH 8'6" 4-16oz, or a TI 9' 3-12oz. Telescopic for both.
I haven't used the Okuma, but I'll give another vote for the TI XH you mentioned. I think you'll like it for the size tubes you mentioned earlier, which is what you intend to use the rod for the most. I have used mine for throwing Pounders, but the key is to do so in moderation. As I previously stated, I purchased an XXH for them once I decided I wanted to use them in greater frequency. If you want to be able to throw a Pounder occasionally the XH will work. It really depends on how often you want to throw a Pounder. For the tube aspect of your needs/wants the XH has performed well for me. |
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Location: Maplewood, MN | catchandrelease - 12/28/2012 2:31 PM
MuskieFever - 12/28/2012 2:08 PM
I was attempting to get a rod versatile enough to throw pounders and tubes but I've realized I was asking a little too much. Think I'm gonna go with either an Okuma EVx XXH 8'6" 4-16oz, or a TI 9' 3-12oz. Telescopic for both.
I haven't used the Okuma, but I'll give another vote for the TI XH you mentioned. I think you'll like it for the size tubes you mentioned earlier, which is what you intend to use the rod for the most. I have used mine for throwing Pounders, but the key is to do so in moderation. As I previously stated, I purchased an XXH for them once I decided I wanted to use them in greater frequency. If you want to be able to throw a Pounder occasionally the XH will work. It really depends on how often you want to throw a Pounder. For the tube aspect of your needs/wants the XH has performed well for me.
Thanks for the input! That's the response I was looking for; I want to throw a pounder every now and then but primarily throw tubes, mag dawgs, and dussas. Thanks for the response and input on the TI XH. Just decided that I'm gonna go with that rod! Probably 9' |
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