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| Speed is the key for Feb, march rattlebait fishing in the south. I have an idea of throwing my Tranx on my rattlebait rod and smoking 3/4 to 1oz tr traps in. I would use a curado e7 on it but I don't think I can turn the handle fast enough. |
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Location: KY | Your over thinking it. Timing is more important than pure speed. When you put a short cast into 6-8" of water you have to get the bate moving just after it is under the surface. To late you ar dragging back leaves. To soon and you are skimming the bait over the surface. A standard HS LP reel is the way to go. The tranx is way too big. I also prefer to downsize the line and leader with a soft rod that won't pull small hooks out. |
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Location: Minnesota | That may be a hint of over-powered reel for that type of fishing. |
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Location: N.FIB | you paid alot for the reel,might as well try it,if you don`t like it put another reel on the rod. |
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Location: Lebanon,Mo | 8ft xh bass rod,high speed bass reel with 50lb braid and 6-8" wire leader around 70-90lb. |
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Location: Latitude 41.3016 Longitude 88.6160 | For Rattle Traps the new Quantum 300 in 7.3;1 with 35 inches of line pickup, the reel weights only 7.5oz, a Tranx 20oz  |
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Location: N.FIB | muskies eat more than rattle baits in the spring,large lures will still work |
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Location: 15 miles east of Lake Kinkaid | OVERKILL in my opinion. Why would you want to use a 20oz Tranx when an 11oz Curado? My rattlebait combo probably does not weigh 20oz. CRL- Based on previous Shimano products I think your Tranx will last 10-20 years; you will get plenty of use out of it. I would just save it for bigger presentations. |
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| I do not fish down there, but aside from the weight of the reel, is there another reason not to do it? The Tranx is basically a giant Curado with more gas. He'll be able to engage the reel as soon as the bait hits the water assuming he is a half-way competent caster. I say try it. If it doesn't work, it sounds like you have more traditional gear as back up. Nobody finds new patterns by doing the same old stuff. Maybe the speed imparted by the extra line pick up will be a trigger to put some more slime in the net? You won't know unless you give it a go. |
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Location: Latitude 41.3016 Longitude 88.6160 | MuskyMATT7 - 12/20/2012 8:12 AM
OVERKILL in my opinion. Why would you want to use a 20oz Tranx when an 11oz Curado? My rattlebait combo probably does not weigh 20oz. CRL- Based on previous Shimano products I think your Tranx will last 10-20 years; you will get plenty of use out of it. I would just save it for bigger presentations.
I'm with you, why cast a 20oz reel for 8 hours when you could use a Quantum QXO 300 that is 7.5oz and has line pickup of 35" in 7.3 gears casting 3/4 -1oz baits ???
At the end of the day your hands and arms will tell you which one to use. |
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Location: Hayward, WI | PIKEMASTER - 12/20/2012 9:32 AM
MuskyMATT7 - 12/20/2012 8:12 AM
OVERKILL in my opinion. Why would you want to use a 20oz Tranx when an 11oz Curado? My rattlebait combo probably does not weigh 20oz. CRL- Based on previous Shimano products I think your Tranx will last 10-20 years; you will get plenty of use out of it. I would just save it for bigger presentations.
I'm with you, why cast a 20oz reel for 8 hours when you could use a Quantum QXO 300 that is 7.5oz and has line pickup of 35" in 7.3 gears casting 1-2oz baits ???
At the end of the day your hands and arms will tell you which one to use.
The reason for me would be limited funds. Not everyone can have all the newest reels out there.
I don't have a Tranx but I have handled one. Yeah it's a big heavy reel but what's stopping you from trying it. Maybe you'll like it, maybe not. Whichever way, you have options. Give it a shot and see what you think.
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| PIKEMASTER - 12/20/2012 10:32 AM
MuskyMATT7 - 12/20/2012 8:12 AM
OVERKILL in my opinion. Why would you want to use a 20oz Tranx when an 11oz Curado? My rattlebait combo probably does not weigh 20oz. CRL- Based on previous Shimano products I think your Tranx will last 10-20 years; you will get plenty of use out of it. I would just save it for bigger presentations.
I'm with you, why cast a 20oz reel for 8 hours when you could use a Quantum QXO 300 that is 7.5oz and has line pickup of 35" in 7.3 gears casting 1-2oz baits ???
At the end of the day your hands and arms will tell you which one to use.
The 35" would only be when you are almost reeled in all the way. After you cast and your bait touches down that 35" will in all likely hood be in the middle 20" range.
I have used a curado for over 4 years, got my tranx this year. I have had no issue with the increase of weight in my left hand, I know my right arm can feel the difference with the less cranks I do over the coarse of the day.
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Location: 15 miles east of Lake Kinkaid | You guys are not getting the whole concept of rattlebait fishing. |
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Location: 15 miles east of Lake Kinkaid | And I guarantee I can turn the handle on my curado 300 faster than you can turn your tranx, thereby mocin my rattletrap faster. |
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| Cave Run Legend how long have you been testing this theory...Fastest will catch more fish? |
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Location: Lebanon,Mo | cave run legend - 12/21/2012 3:51 PM
The person burning the rattlebaits back to the boat the quickest will catch more fish than the next guy...
Not always true. |
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Location: 15 miles east of Lake Kinkaid | Also a valid point, there are times when burning is not the most effective retrieve. |
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Location: 15 miles east of Lake Kinkaid | I am not going to argue with you. Use your Tranx for rattlebaits. |
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Location: NE Wisconsin | Use your Tranx HG for what ever you want. I used mine one week this fall for jigging, on LOW combined with a Slingblade, and caught all 7 of my muskies jigging a Fuzzy Duzzit. Overkill, yes but worked great. |
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| A little off topic but about what water temps do you start with trowing rattle baits? |
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| Rattle bait fishing rundown.
The colder the water the faster u want ur bait moving. Rattle baits are conventionally bass baits and the rest of ur equipment needs to be downsized to fish them effectively. Meaning rod, reel, line and leader. As for a rod a heavy action flipping stick n the 8 ft range is perfect. I use crashes 7'9 Kentucky rattler n has been the best for rattle baits I've used thus far. As for reels any bfinger sized high speed 7:1 reel will do the trick browning has a nice one for 80$. The trick here is to really really over spool ur reel with no bigger than 50 pound braid. Once ur on the water n make a few casts ur line will cinch down onto ur spool more and be more controllable, and the more line on ur spool the farther ur bait will move per crank of the handle. Also adding an oversized power handle to a small reel helps, not only helps retrieval speed but fatigue as well ( I find it more exhausting to blaze rattle baits than lobbing pounders all day). It's not so much speed that is more effective with rattle baits but the amount of vibration that is being emmited from ur bait is much more important. Not useing big bulky leaders with any snaps or swivels will also increase vibration. Instead use a 4-6 inch piece of straight wire with ur line tied directly to one loop and only a split ring attaching ur leader directly to the bait. After years of doing it this way we've found sometimes the wire will back out thru the ring on its own resulting in ur bait flying into the woods/ across the lake or worse case scenario leaving a bait in a fish's jaws. So stealth and tony grant came up with the idea of useing a small solid ring on one end of the leader and just split ringing to the solid ring. It's small enough to not impair vibration but large enough to prevent the leader from working its way thru the split ring. The biggest mistake I see people new to this kind of musky fishing is not useing to heavy of equipment but keeping their drag to tight and setting the hook to hard. U want ur drag to slip pretty good when u set pretty much slinging the bait into the fish. If u don't more times than not you'll be pulling the bait out of their mouth or straightening hooks or split rings. Sure u can use bigger hooks n rings than the standard one oughts( how do u spell that lol) but then ur sacrificing vibration of the lure and becoming more ceceptable to getting hung up n crap like dead leaves last years dead weed wood..... In the case of the cave trycycles lol ect. The extreme hooksets we all love n strike fear into the newbs to execute r also not nescessary, actually detrimental. Big wood n rubber baits need this kind of bone jarring hooksets to not only break the grasp of powerful jaws n teeth sunk into wood r rubber but its much harder to penetrate a large hook than a small one. U set to hard u will pull the bait out of their mouth. So can u use ur tranx? Absolutely but one might fingerume dropping that kind of doe on a reel u prolly have some heavy duty braid on it in the 80-100 pound range, and this is just hearsay but I've heard those don't cast even the big baits very good so u gotta think a 1.5 oz. fat tony lol excuse me fat belly rattler r 1.25 oz. rattling shad with a reel like that may b tough. U never no till u try it tho just my two cents.
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| musky13 - 12/24/2012 9:04 PM
A little off topic but about what water temps do you start with trowing rattle baits?
33-60 degrees. The prime of it is usually 40-54 degrees but they can work all year round. Just most productive in that 40-54 range really starts to die off around 58 degrees. |
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| Do what feels right... I'd be much more comfortable with a curado 300 e (6.3 gear ratio ) or ej (6.9) for this kind of application. |
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tranx hg for spring rattlebait season