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| Hi. Just kind of curious. If Bob gets this thing to go have any of you decided to fish it? Its to be an expensive with lodging, gas, meals and a few stops at a watering hole.
Also its the week after the P.M.T.T. in madison.
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| Have not heard anything about it.
Do they have a web-site? |
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| I would...but with a kid in diapers...I cant really afford that.[;)]
I am more into the $50 to $100 a head tourneys right now. Most of which are charity events. |
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| $2,500.00 for enterance fee's!
You'll need to take out a loan just to fish it.[:0] |
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| Darn it, I have that weekend penciled in already, I have to vacuum the fridge coils that weekend! $2,500.00 a team, gimme a break. In the past 20 years muskie fishing has come a long way, I am not so sure that this type of promotion will do it any good. |
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| Ok, I just busted out the calculator here, and this is what I came up with. 100 teams @ $2,500 a hit = $250,000.00 If first place gets $100,000.00 that leaves $150,000 to be divided up by 99 teams. Obviously 2nd thruough maybe 10th or 20th or whatever will pay more than last place. But if 99 teams were to split up the remaining $150,000 that comes to $1,515.15 per team. I think I will take a pass! |
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| I was certainly planning on fishing it. However the dates conflict with Paul Hartman's tourney on Cass Lake. I have heard that Bob has all the needed permits and that he is just waiting for more sponsorship to come onboard. I don't know if Paul is going to reschedule or not. |
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| What if you had a sponsor and could fish it for free? Would you fish it? |
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| If I had a sponser that would cover the $2500.00 of course I would fish it. But at that price I could not even sponser myself! LOL[:bigsmile:] |
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| I would be honored to participate,if all involved strive to make it not only the biggest pay out but most ethical.It is possible this could be the new high standard.
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| I plan on fishing in it. $2500 is a lot of money, but I think it would be a blast. It would be cool to be a part of musky history....it's a big step for the sport.
I'm a gamblin' man....anyone can win a musky tourney.
But for sure, this kind of tourney seperates the field out a little bit. Nothing wrong with that. |
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| Well lets see....
$2500 per team... I could caugh up 1,250 if my wife wouldn't find out...yea right.!
Let's do a little analysis...
Winners get 100k.
50k each...
45% to Uncle Sam, plus what it does to your income tax bracket at end of year..maybe you would loose 50% but lets use 45% for this exercise.
leaves 32,500 each
minus 1,250 entry fee
leaves 31,000 each
minus $500 weekend expenses
leaves $29,500
minus $500 expense to prefish previous weekend for 4 days.
leaves $29,000 net each.
My wife will get her fair share leaving me with oh I would guess about a $100....[:bigsmile:]
If I new the lake better or could get a partner that knows the lake and the payouts back to say 20th place were respectable. I would have to seriously consider it.
If you had severe bad luck you could easily spend $2500 and win nothing....well maybe a free Simpley Fishing hat or a Jackpot but that's one heck of a gamble.
More than likely I will be with Muskyone at Paul Hartmans tourny...I have always wanted to fish it and planned on making it this coming season...Mike if your partner can't make it I would be honored to help you win it....
Just think Mike it could be a first...two plump bald guys winning Hartmans gig by getn'em on jigs...[:bigsmile:]
It'll be interesting to see how this plays out.
Mark |
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| I would, but I don't really need the 1 st place money.[;)] So, I think I will just fish my spots on the lake during the tourney, and drive all the tourney guys nuts by catching pig after pig. Behind them, at that![:devil:][:bigsmile:]
$2500, huh? That's alot of moola for a measley $100K payday. Consider the RCL Championship. $1500 entry, but you're fishing for $400K!
I'm not saying this is or isn't going to be a great tourney. But, considering the the target species, it's a prett big gamble. 100 teams fish two days, then 30, then 10. What if less than 30 teams catch a fish, which is a very real possibility? Do they only advance the teams that caught fish?
And 45 judge boats. Are they gonna use a bump board, weigh the fish, and then show off the fish for the TV cameras and still photos? Bet there isn't a single fish caught that spends less than 30 seconds out of the water, much less 10.
And as far as the Casino being the only place large enough to hold it? Nonsense. Last year we had well over 100 boats/teams for the Pewaukee Classic, and put everybody in a bowling alley banquet room afterwards.
On second thought, I'm going to just keep my spots to myself, and steer clear of the whole deal.
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| Hey Guys
Nobody has mentioned the major factor here, TV coverage. This tourney will not happen if TV is not involved, at least not six figures. Thats the holdup. TV exposure will be a MAJOR boost for this industry. Sponsors will be able to get involved($$$), if FoxNet carries it. If TV and major sponsorship don't get involved, not to many will fork out the big bucks to fish it. But I beleive this exposure will be good for the muskie hunter of any degree, speacailly the next generation. I'll fish it in a heartbeat if the muskie world gets maximum exposure.
Het that's my opinion, come on guys, agree and disagree.
Thanks for listning.
Tony Grant
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| Tony,
So it's not the chance at $100K that will cause people to enter, it's notoreity? The chance to get on TV?
And how much money do you think FoxNet will bring to the table? You've got $250K in entry fees, which will be paid out to the entrants, and other sponsors kicking in to offset costs to run the tourney. Then comes the TV bucks.
As far as TV coverage on the lake goes. I think I'll revise my earlier statement. Lucky to be a fish out of the water less than a minute. Forget about 10 seconds.
Somebody stands to benefit greatly from this deal, and it ain't most of the entrants, or the fish.
As long as I'm playing devil's advocate[:devil:] , why Vermillion? Why the Casino? Are the people in the judge boats going to be educated in proper fish handling? Are they being compensated? 45 of them? What are the qualifications to enter? Minimum boat size, motor, style? Vermillion is a large body of water, correct? Would a Tuffy Esox Magnum be safe if it gets riled up?
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| I plan on fishing this if it happens, no doubt about it. Will I fish the whole PMTT trail,the Rollie and Helen's tourneys and this one, NO. Probably a few smaller local ones and this one big one. This one looks to have the best odds of any also.
Tony has some great points about TV coverage. What a better way to communicate your CPR ethic to all the other Muskie fisherman, or soon to be Muskie fisherman. Isn't "getting our voice heard", the biggest hurdle in this whole CPR campaign? Putting it on TV reaches wayyyyyy more people.
I say bring it on, bout time our species got stepped up a little. |
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| Greg, if you pay I will fish from the back of your boat. Damn there went my only chance to fish this. LOL
Jim |
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| Hi Muskie First crew!
I say "Bring it on!"
Got me a great partner and we know a lot of the real Big ones by first name.
Know there running buddies and fat girls friends to.
:)
Get to know them real good over the course of the open water season.
Know there favorite hang outs and what they like to munch on at that time of year.
Would be good for the sport, the area and us?
If it is done right the fish will be fine and everyone wins.
I could use the 31 K share or so after the split and feeding Uncle Sam if we were to be Top dogs!
LOL
Roll the dice and see what happens?
Win or lose it would be good, clean fun.
I Look real good on TV also.
Musky Tom Wehler
www.muskytomsguideservice.com
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PS.
If we don't get in for some reason, we could really help up someones odds to take it all BIG TIME!
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| Shep
You missed my POINT.
TV coverage means sponsors get involved because they get more $ back. Sponsores getting involved means more guys can fish tournaments that want too but can't afford to.
ALSO TV coverage will help inform people other that you guys up north on the excitement of this great fish. I do appoximatly 14 sports shows per year, excluding the ones up north, those south of the Mason Dixon Line 85%plus don't know what a muskie is. I spend my time at those shows confincing them its not a Barracuda. More people involved in the sport more muskie management...It's that simple.
Muskie to you guys up north is very common, yet south most have never heard of them. This is even true at shows I do in Cincy, Indy and Dayton,
You guys would be amazed.
I'm no afaraid to admit that in 1986 I didn't know whata muskie was...
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| Tony,
Keep in mind that if the payout's are going to be that big, a large part of the $$ will be coming from the sponsors like you said. How many of us can fork out that kind of $$$?
Right now it's not to bad to sponsor the PMTT. The smaller guys' can afford to do it. If it get's bigger who knows?
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| Bill
When I talk about sponsorship, I'm speaking of the big $ companies not in the muskie industry. Smaller manufacturers in the muskie industry like us can't fork out those kind of $$$$ for tournaments. But bigger industry can but won't unless they get the exposure to equal the dollars spend. At this point the exposure in a muskie tournament is very small, TV will change that. Our muskie community is tiny compared to other fishing industries, let's put out open arms to expanding our sport. More muskie management will follow and thats good for all involved.
Tony Grant
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| I think for this to really work whoever runs the tournament will need big sponsor money to up the winning purse. They cannot expect the angler to pick up all of it. Also the big money walleye tournaments like golf pay down a whole lot better. I think thats where muskie tournaments really are lacking. When you have a team that places 4th or 5th and they get $700.00 or $800.00 thats pretty bad as they did not even cover expenses. I for one one would be happy to see 1st pat a little less and pay more places and better down the line, share the wealth with more of the field.
I hope it goes and it will be a huge success as I believe it will be good for muskie fishing. I look at the growth of the P.M.T.T. and I think the muskie anglers are ready for it.
Don Pfeiffer
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Bob Mesikomers tournament, who is planning to fis