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| OK what is your guys input on dragging meat on lakes that do not alloy trolling? What are the rules and what can you do, and what cant you do? What is the definition of control drifting? |
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Location: Eau Claire,WI | It was explained to me like this.If your line stays vertical ok but if your line starts to move horizontal you are trolling. I am sure every Warden differs. I would think you repositined your boat in a slow manner you should be ok. |
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| Depends what state or province you are fishing in.
In Wisconsin they recently 'cleaned up' the rules and they are as follows:
1 - A quick strike rig (a bait with one or more treble hooks attached to the body of the minnow behind the head) MUST be used if your bait is 8" or longer. (added this year)
2 - When using a quick strike rig and a minnow 8" or longer for bait, you MUST immediately attempt to set the hook upon indication of a strike. (added this year)
3 - Motor trolling is trailing a lure, bait or similar device while being propelled forwards or backwards by motor or sail. Casting and immediate retrieval of a lure or bait while being propelled forward or backwards by motor or sail is not considered motor trolling.
4 - Position fishing is fishing from a boat where the line extends vertically from the rod tip into the water while the boat is maneuvered forwards or backwards using a motor to maintain position over a piece of underwater structure. Position fishing is allowed statewide on all waters.
5 - Trailing a bait or lure from a boat that is being propelled by a motor or sail and at the same time casting and immediately retrieving another bait or lure is considered motor trolling and is not allowed. (added last year)
The long and short of it is that you may drift all you want while casting and also dragging a sucker out behind you but while that sucker is out away from the boat (not vertical from the rod tip into the water) the trolling motor may not ever be engaged.
The simple solution if you prefer to fish that style (trail a sucker and cast at the same time) is to fish one of the 200+ musky waters in Wisconsin where motor trolling is legal. |
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| Esoxcpr, excellent explanation of what is and is not legal. I row troll suckers around in Vilas county every year and see countless violators who are dragging suckers while moving their boats against the wind. |
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Location: Palatine, IL | Where does Minn Kota "Spot Lock" come in to play with all of this? |
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Location: West Bend, WI | When spotlock moves you back to the spot and drags your sucker it would seem to me to be trolling. I watched a guide on a television show doing this. He was dragging a sucker while moving down a shoreline with a trolling motor casting dawgs on the chip. I was surprised to see that. |
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| 1 - A quick strike rig (a bait with one or more treble hooks attached to the body of the minnow behind the head) MUST be used if your bait is 8" or longer. (added this year)
...or a non-offset circle hook.
Edited by backdraft 9/23/2012 7:32 PM
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| My understanding is this... For Example: Yesterday I was drifting a shoreline, dragging a sucker, and casting. I used my trolling motor at times to (1) slow down the speed of the drift and (2) Move the boat perpindicular to the direction of the drift in effort to maintain contour/depth.
Use some common sense!
MrMatt: Do you think if you are dragging a sucker and casting it is automatically illegal to have your trolling motor in the water? I guess I don't see anything wrong with what you described... Maybe I'm wrong. |
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| Depends on the Warden you contact. It is not black and white.
I will say the if you have the sucker out on a bobber trailing behind the boat, and you are using the TM to work the shoreline, you're likely to get a ticket for trolling. Take off the bobber, and keep the line vrticle, and you're structure fishing, and not trolling.
Again, it's going to depend on the Warden you contact. |
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Location: oswego, il | What Shep said it is all up to interpretation. I had a vilas county warden tell me if the trolling motor is on for any reason or length of time with a sucker in the water you are in violation of the law. In kenosha county no issues dragging meat against the wind, same law. |
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| So it boils down to make sure you have enough lead on your line to keep your line vertical while you are position fishing. |
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Location: Barrington, Il | I saw an editorial in teh Wisconsin Outdoor News a couple of issues ago, where the writer stated that the Vilas an dOneida Co. DNR did not want trolling. I have always heard different. That they saw no scientific reason to not allow trolling and that it would help with the position fishing rule. Steve, what have you heard? |
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Location: Smith Creek | DNR wants trolling. Fisherman in Vilas and Oneida do not. |
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Location: Appleton, WI | Before it did seem like you got many different interpretations of the law.Doesn't the addition of number 5 clear things up. It specifically states that you cannot drag one around. If the line is not vertical you are trolling. Now how far they want to take that is open to interpretation. To keep a line vertical even with weight you have to be moving very slowly. |
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Location: Contrarian Island | another topic that seems to come up every fall...anyone on M1st EVER been cited??? I have yet to hear of anyone i know get a ticket....in the fall I put 2 oz of rubber core sinkers on the line to keep my suckers pretty vertical...I am on and off the TM...so I am in effect position fishing....I highly doubt I'll ever get a ticket.... we talk about this every fall and I don't think I've heard of anyone saying they got a ticket..now if you are dragging 3 big orange bobbers behind the boat going straight down a weedline or break line you are not going to fair so well if a warden sees you I suspect...... |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | What Flambeauski said. |
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Location: West Bend, WI | martin, in response to your question. If I am casting a shoreline, using my trolling motor and dragging a sucker I believe that to be trolling. If I was drifting that is completely different, but using the motor to take me somewhere with meat out that is not right in my understanding.
Edited by mrmatt 9/25/2012 3:24 PM
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Location: Roscoe IL | Let's get the referees that called last nights game to give their intrepretation of these rules.. The runner did not touch second base, touchdown Celtics!!! |
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floating suckers?