Posted 8/29/2012 6:02 AM (#581451) Subject: Wade's Wobblers to Suick conversion
Posts: 172
Have used Wade's Wobblers for years, normal version, not deep, and it is definitely my go-to lure. Just bought a couple of unweighted 9" Suicks, mainly for the rounded front nose, thinking might go thru weeds a little better. Tried them out for just a little while the other day, had a little trouble working them, seemed way more bouyant than my Wade's. Bent the back fin some, not alot of improvement. Going to Sabaskong for a week on Saturday. I will give them more time. I know that the normal Wade's has some weight in the nose, should I have bought the weighted Suicks to be more like the Wobblers are?
Posted 8/29/2012 7:54 AM (#581472 - in reply to #581467) Subject: RE: Wade's Wobblers to Suick conversion
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Location: Lake "y" cause lake"x" got over fished
I know of some guys that have melted lead into theirs... but I would not recommend doing this if you are unsure even a little bit of how to go about it. Weighted leaders is one option. There is not a screw hole on the under side like there is on some of the older vipers to make em sub surface... I like the weighted versions better, maybe someone would be willing to trade a weighted for an unweighted... you never know, Try and put something up on the buy/sell forum and see if you get any hits..
Posted 8/29/2012 8:42 AM (#581482 - in reply to #581472) Subject: RE: Wade's Wobblers to Suick conversion
Posts: 1996
Location: Pelican Lake/Three Lakes Chain
I love unweighted Suicks...10" especially, but 9's are good too. The key to working unweighted suicks is to use your reel more than the rod. You should be able to adjust the tail until the bait runs where you want it in the water column by just using a straight retrieve. Than start adding twitches and pulls to add more action.
The idea of weighting unweighted Suicks makes me cringe. They are two entirely different tools, the unweighted and weighted. Unweighted are ideal for working in weedy areas because of their buoyancy. At contact of the weeds just stop it and it should rise out of the mess. The 10 inch tend to work a bit better doing this because the wider body protects the hooks better, but the 9 inch works too.
Posted 8/29/2012 8:52 AM (#581484 - in reply to #581482) Subject: RE: Wade's Wobblers to Suick conversion
Posts: 540
Location: Leech Lake, Walker MN
I have poured lead in them for years.To really fine tune them add a larger hook on the front and back then wrap some soft solder around the hook shank and then sand all the paint off the bottom side of the bait and put it in your live well or put it in a milk carton for about a week and let it soak up water and it gets much heavyer and you will end up with a great running bait
Posted 8/29/2012 8:58 AM (#581487 - in reply to #581451) Subject: RE: Wade's Wobblers to Suick conversion
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I have been hanging a bell weight to the front split for years to the un-weighted Suicks. Might have to play with the tail a bit after that, but they run and work great that way and I don't have to mess with dangerous liquid lead.
Posted 8/29/2012 11:20 AM (#581519 - in reply to #581451) Subject: Re: Wade's Wobblers to Suick conversion
Posts: 4343
Location: Smith Creek
Muskies come unglued when a suick porpoises or skips across the surface. Use a long rod and fast reel to get it down initially if you must run deep. The more it's used, the deeper it will run.
Posted 8/29/2012 1:41 PM (#581549 - in reply to #581451) Subject: Re: Wade's Wobblers to Suick conversion
Posts: 416
Location: Madtown, WI
Just stick with the Wades and don't waste your time tinkering with a Suick. Wades are much much better for Canada, you get a ton more depth, they back up right into the fishes face on the pause, and don't need any tuning (well, some need a slight adjustment).
You need to bring a few to Canada though, rocks are rough on Wade's face. MTO sells them for cheap though.
Posted 8/30/2012 5:09 AM (#581666 - in reply to #581549) Subject: Re: Wade's Wobblers to Suick conversion
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stdevos - 8/29/2012 1:41 PM
Just stick with the Wades and don't waste your time tinkering with a Suick. Wades are much much better for Canada, you get a ton more depth, they back up right into the fishes face on the pause, and don't need any tuning (well, some need a slight adjustment).
You need to bring a few to Canada though, rocks are rough on Wade's face. MTO sells them for cheap though.
I have been going to LOW for 12 years now, use Wade's Wobblers probably way to much, but between me and one of my fishing buddies have caught so many more muskies on them than anything else. (Of course that is what we are throwin most the time.) Yeah, most of my Wades faces look like they have been in many bar fights. I just thought I would try a few Suicks in heavier cover, thinking the rounded nose might be a little better. That video was very helpful. thanks.
Posted 8/30/2012 10:11 AM (#581694 - in reply to #581549) Subject: Re: Wade's Wobblers to Suick conversion
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stdevos - 8/29/2012 1:41 PM
Just stick with the Wades and don't waste your time tinkering with a Suick. Wades are much much better for Canada, you get a ton more depth, they back up right into the fishes face on the pause, and don't need any tuning (well, some need a slight adjustment).
You need to bring a few to Canada though, rocks are rough on Wade's face. MTO sells them for cheap though.
X2 on the WADES, the backing up is what tiggers Musky's to bite this bait. Also easy bait to use, keep the hooks sharpe and the eye of the lure for tuning and this bait will make any shy Musky bite.
Posted 8/30/2012 10:19 AM (#581698 - in reply to #581451) Subject: Re: Wade's Wobblers to Suick conversion
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin
The question was about tuning a Suick he already bought to work through the weeds better than his Wades Wobblers do. He's spot on, they will. The Wades Wobbler is a great lure, but it doesn't run at all like a Suick. Both should be a part of anyone's arsenal, and telling someone NOT to learn how to use a Suick or any other effective lure is just plain silly. As far as backing up, a 10" Suick can be tuned easily to nose down, back up with almost no side to side. I have both lures in my tackle box and have for a very long time.
Esox99
Posted 8/30/2012 10:48 AM (#581706 - in reply to #581451) Subject: RE: Wade's Wobblers to Suick conversion
I wrap and crimp soft lead around the front hook of my Suicks which I want to run deeper. They work great, and if you happen to keep track, most of the hook-ups are on the middle and rear hooks before (and after) adding the weight.
Anybody ever hook a muskie on a Suick before it hit the water? We had it happen; the fish came out of the water and took the Suick about 18 inches above the water!
- Kevin
Posted 8/30/2012 11:13 AM (#581718 - in reply to #581451) Subject: RE: Wade's Wobblers to Suick conversion
Posts: 96
I bought a weight kit from Thorne Bros about 6-7 years ago for clear/deep water situations. It's similar to the JoMusky stuff above. I like it because it's threaded so I can add, remove, or change weights with ease. I used some thin tape and played with them in a small pool until I figured out the best placement positions.
Been fishing muskies for about 25 years and still have yet to find a better lure than the suick!
Posted 8/30/2012 2:16 PM (#581755 - in reply to #581718) Subject: RE: Wade's Wobblers to Suick conversion
Posts: 172
Hey, thanks for all the info. With all this new knowledge everyone gave me plus the 200 to 300 bucks in new lures I bought for this trip, I am almost guaranteed to catch all sorts of huge muskies, right.........................................
Posted 8/30/2012 3:18 PM (#581777 - in reply to #581755) Subject: Re: Wade's Wobblers to Suick conversion
Posts: 299
I'll throw a wrench in the mix... I'm curious about the weighted Musky Mayhem Big Daddy. Does it run deeper as claimed 6-10ft and how does this lure work for trying to get a dive n rise deeper? Do any of you throw Big Daddy's and how does the action compare to a Suick? Any thoughts on these baits? I love Suicks, haven't tried Wades but gonna pick some up along with a Big Daddy.
Posted 8/30/2012 5:17 PM (#581802 - in reply to #581451) Subject: Re: Wade's Wobblers to Suick conversion
Posts: 416
Location: Madtown, WI
Big Daddy's are sweet baits. I love to use them in the weeds. Let the tail rise to the surface then give it a good jerk and it will make lots of commotion. It's the perfected bobbie bait imo. I don't like using them in Canada as much though since they don't go as deep on an easy pull, a lot more work to get them to cut through the water as quick as a wades and to be honest, not many weeds where we fish. Doesn't have the same rip and pause effect either. Somebody needs to make a plastic Wades, I'd be in heaven (and don't give me no burt).
Posted 8/30/2012 5:51 PM (#581809 - in reply to #581451) Subject: RE: Wade's Wobblers to Suick conversion
Posts: 906
Location: Warroad, Mn
I have used Suicks with great success on the LOTWs for many-many years. I mainly use the 10" unweighted, and feel that unweighted suicks are a much better fish catcher than weighted one, or Wades or a Big Daddy or any other real "jerk" bait made. The unweighted ones will "swim" and "move", for the most part the weighted one won't.
Here's what I do with them. I just throw them out (usually to an area I think there may be a fish living) and continually reel them. This keeps them under water much like a crank bait. Then with my rod I just sweep it back and forth. This speeds the lure up and slows it down. Occasionally I'll do a little double pump to get the lure to do a little dance. Once I get the lure tuned to my liking the Suick will do a little under water "walk-the-dog", and with the right hesitation I can actually get the lure to turn at almost right angles during the retrieve and hang there if I slow down the retrieve. I'll occasionally do a pause in mid retrieve and let the lure almost touch the surface, but not quite. At boat side I'll let the lure rise all the way to the top and watch for something big and green. The Muskies seem to like this and think it's food.
Tuning a Suick is a learning experience, but one well worth learning. It's a combination of tail bending and fooling with the eye like a crank bait. I've never had a Suick I couldn't get to run the way I wanted it to.
Fishing a Suick is sort of an art, but as with many artists there's many ways to paint a picture.
They are great lures. The hot color over here is what I call the "lemon-head". It has a white body with a chartreuse head and belly. Great color!
Posted 8/30/2012 5:52 PM (#581810 - in reply to #581487) Subject: RE: Wade's Wobblers to Suick conversion
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Thad - 8/29/2012 8:58 AM
I have been hanging a bell weight to the front split for years to the un-weighted Suicks. Might have to play with the tail a bit after that, but they run and work great that way and I don't have to mess with dangerous liquid lead.
For weighting I strongly recommend they above
Best to place two bell sinkers one on each side of the hook for balance and they can easily be removed PLUS the swinging weights give a little more glide action that a non moving weight when you work them right
Lots of good stuff in this thread so thought I would add what I could
Good Luck
Posted 8/31/2012 7:44 AM (#581874 - in reply to #581802) Subject: Re: Wade's Wobblers to Suick conversion
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stdevos - 8/30/2012 5:17 PM
Big Daddy's are sweet baits. I love to use them in the weeds. Let the tail rise to the surface then give it a good jerk and it will make lots of commotion. It's the perfected bobbie bait imo. I don't like using them in Canada as much though since they don't go as deep on an easy pull, a lot more work to get them to cut through the water as quick as a wades and to be honest, not many weeds where we fish. Doesn't have the same rip and pause effect either. Somebody needs to make a plastic Wades, I'd be in heaven (and don't give me no burt).
EDIT: I've never tried the weighted version
A plastic Wades would be great, IF it would work the same. What we really need for Wade to make is the old(15-20 years ago) fatter short, about 5-1/2" Wobbler. I should not say this, but that is a THE lure for my buddy. He has 2 left, one WAS black, one orange/black. Both are about white now. If he lost those, he would probably quit musky fishing. I talked to Wade a few years ago to see if he could still make it, claimed he couldn't for some reason, so we bought some skinnier short Wobblers from him, not the same.
Posted 8/31/2012 3:01 PM (#581931 - in reply to #581451) Subject: Re: Wade's Wobblers to Suick conversion
Posts: 299
Awesome info guys on the Big Daddy Weighted 10". I'm gonna pick one or two up as I can see a few areas on my home water where these would work! I may have to grab a few Wades too! Thanks!!
Wade's Wobblers to Suick conversion