|
|
Posts: 373
Location: Maine Township, MN | Anyone have problems with the Thorne Bros flourocarbon leaders? I had one break right at the crimp, like even shorter than the tag end. Clean break. Lost my favorite bucktail. Trolling a sandy flat. I run my drag on the loose side so I know if I would've hung up on something. Nope. Just failed.
Think they would replace the defective leader and lure I lost? |
|
| |
|
Posts: 540
Location: Leech Lake, Walker MN | Just stay away from the fluorocarbon stuff just sayin
|
|
| |
|
Posts: 2894
Location: Yahara River Chain | DonPursch - 8/9/2012 1:21 PM
Just stay away from the fluorocarbon stuff just sayin
+1 I use Leaders and lure brand stainless steel leaders, they won't fail - the snap or swivel will before the leaders will. Very durable and the toughest leader on the market. |
|
| |
|
| Some of the largest muskies caught each year out east come on fluoro, it is important to understand how to rig them. Also it is very fish friendly. When muskie roll in the longer trolling leaders, steel will dig into the fish and cause harm. Using steel is like going back to dacron line. Just make sure you are using quality gear appropriate for the application. |
|
| |
|
Posts: 752
| I am sure they would replace the leader....they stand behind there prodcuts as well as anyone I have come across.
I have only been musky fishing for about 30 years so in 20 more I will disagree out loud with Don since he can pull rank on me  but I and others have landed many fish over the years with no issues on the proper break strength (130+)flurocarbon... |
|
| |
|
Posts: 1638
Location: Minnesota | i have never had a problem with thorn bros stuff if it breaks they make it right i had a canon rod holder snap right off they replaced it no question asked |
|
| |
|
Posts: 373
Location: Maine Township, MN | Thanks guys. I'm not trying to call Thorne Bros out, just wondering if others have had issues. I really like flouro. I think it helps with the gin clear lakes I fish. So, like, are there better flouro leaders out there? |
|
| |
|
Posts: 646
Location: In a shack in the woods | I have never bought Thorne leaders because they only crimped. The guys there tell me they are plenty strong but I go with stealth that are knotted and crimped |
|
| |
|
Posts: 432
Location: Eagan, MN | How old was it? All leader material will fail eventually. I've had solid wire and flouro leaders break, fortunately never on a fish. Nowadays I make my own and replace them before they get too many miles on them. I've also had snaps fail, but never a swivel. |
|
| |
|
Posts: 432
Location: Eagan, MN | bassinbob84 - 8/9/2012 3:03 PM
I have never bought Thorne leaders because they only crimped. The guys there tell me they are plenty strong but I go with stealth that are knotted and crimped
Has anyone ever had a crimp fail because it slipped? I've never seen one slip, and I've run some extensive and brutal tests on them myself. However, I have seen them wear thru on the edge of the crimp and cause the fc to break. I don't see how knotting plus crimping will fix this, as the crimp is what actually causes the line to break. |
|
| |
|
Posts: 373
Location: Maine Township, MN | No slip in my case. The leader was purchased this spring. Used maybe 5 hours. It just appears like it was overcrimped and the crimp's sharp edge must've cut into the flouro. |
|
| |
|
Posts: 1243
Location: Musky Tackle Online, MN | On the Stealth leaders, the crimp is not squeezed as tight as a crimped only leader, so you don't have the risk of squeezing too tight, which is what can cause the fluoro to be cut. It's purpose on the Stealth leaders is to keep the knot in place, so as not to tighten or loosen. This keeps that small loop open if you need to replace a snap. And it also holds down the tag end from the knot so it's not catching weeds.
Stealth's leaders are the best ones I've ever had an opportunity to try. The 49 strand wire leaders that Stealth makes are a great leader as well for those that are nervous about using fluoro but want the characteristics of fluoro in terms of flexibility, as opposed to a single strand wire leader.
Aaron |
|
| |
|
Posts: 432
Location: Eagan, MN | Thanks for the explanation Aaron, makes sense to me. |
|
| |
|
Posts: 149
| Stealth 100% I have NEVER had any issues with my Stealth leaders. Personally I did not like using flouro leaders until I used the Stealth leaders. I know, its bad but I forgot to change out my leaders on a few rods one year and after two years of use and pleanty of fish on I could hardly tell the leaders were even used. Hardly a scratch. My buddies have not had good luck with Thorn Bros leaders either. Go Stealth. |
|
| |
|
Posts: 1270
| Never understood flouro leaders for musky, especially with bucktails. What do you think the fish thinks a bucktail looks like that a wire sticking out of the front of it would make it less appealing? |
|
| |
|
Posts: 323
| reelman - 8/9/2012 7:19 PM
Never understood flouro leaders for musky, especially with bucktails. What do you think the fish thinks a bucktail looks like that a wire sticking out of the front of it would make it less appealing?
for me it has nothing to do with visibility.. i will go through 10 wire leaders to ever 1 fluoro.. $$ wise it's smart for a guy that doesn't make his own to use fluoro.. |
|
| |
|
Posts: 540
Location: Leech Lake, Walker MN | Ya know fishin stuff is all personal preference rods reels line and it's all good.i see all the tackel that's out there all the latest and greatest and fish with a lot of different folks
And have seen bad stuff and hearts brokenwith this connection.if I had to pick a fluorocarbon leader it would absolutely be from Stealth.The best of luck to all
|
|
| |
|
Posts: 373
Location: Maine Township, MN | I sense a pattern here... Thanks guys! |
|
| |
|
| I have always liked the Stealth leaders. |
|
| |
|
| Thorne Bros typically makes good leaders. Probably more of a fluke.
In terms of flouro leaders, the post Aaron made about stealth is very good. I do not trust crimpt flouro leaders, but the tied and crimpt to hold the knot in place like stealth does is good. Not sure it is even necessary to crimp then even
In one of the other posts I made mention that a tied flouro is the strongest. All flouro leaders that were tested eventually broke at the crimps. The argument could be made that a correctly crimpted flouro will not fail, which may be true. My thoughts are that would you trust the next state record fish on the end of your line to a crimp if you knew one of every 100 crimps would fail?
I have seen single strand trolling leaders break more than once also. One time on a very nice fish. Heartbreaking knowing the fish probably died and the fish was large.
In terms of overall durablity the flouro leaders tied correctly did well for trolling. I had some nylon coated multi strand 3 foot leaders made with timbles around the snap and ball bearing swivel made. The wire was tied, glued and shrink wrapped. I think that leader may last unitl the end of time. My guess is that the snap or swivel would be the first thing to ever fail.
We all spend a lot of money on gas, lures, rods, reels, etc... In the grand scheme of things leaders are cheap. I have thrown a lot of leaders away through the years that are probably in very good shape and have a lot of life yet in them. I'm just not too into the one time failure on a nice fish thing, so I change leaders and re-tie often. Even the above leader described with timbles doesn't stay on for long and hits the garbage. I'm sure it is good for many years. So far in quite a few years of fishing I have yet to have a leader failure on a fish. |
|
| |
|
Posts: 416
Location: Madtown, WI | I stay away from Fluoro. I've never had one fail but I heard WAY too many stories about break offs. Maybe stealth makes a flawless leader, but there is no way I'm going to shell out $7 for a leader that you should replace with the first scratch.
As far as it being safer on the fish, I'm sure more fish have died from fluorocarbon leader failures than were saved because of rolling on the leader.
And like others have said, fish would be conditioned to a bucktail/bulldawg/whatever way before leaders so I don't buy much into the "invisibility", but to each their own. |
|
| |
|
Posts: 619
| In just eye balling and looking at the leaders thorne makes they seem poor quality... i know i wouldnt buy them |
|
| |
|
| All a matter of your comfort level with the equipment you use. Fluoro is no more likely to fail than steel, actually is more durable in proper pounds. If you match your equipment to the task, failure is typically not in the equation. BR |
|
| |
|
Posts: 15
| nocturnalmotors why don't you contact thorne first'instead of making this post?
|
|
| |
|
Posts: 921
| Stealth. I would never use a leader that is only crimped. |
|
| |
|
Posts: 2894
Location: Yahara River Chain | i will go through 10 wire leaders to ever 1 fluoro.. $$ wise it's smart for a guy that doesn't make his own to use fluoro..
You won't with Leaders and Lures Leaders when you have guys like Frank Walsh and Doug Johnson getting more than 50 muskies (not counting all those pike) on just one Leaders and Lures Leader. These things are tough and Gene uses a crimping machine to make sure that they aren't over or under crimped. This is the same way they make rudders wires on small planes. The hardware fails long before the crimp ever will. If you test them without the hardware, the wire breaks before the crimps pulls out. These multi-strand stainless steel cable leaders won't kink very easy, they will bend but they still remain tough and won't break. . |
|
| |
|
Posts: 323
| muskie! nut - 8/11/2012 5:45 PM
i will go through 10 wire leaders to ever 1 fluoro.. $$ wise it's smart for a guy that doesn't make his own to use fluoro..
You won't with Leaders and Lures Leaders when you have guys like Frank Walsh and Doug Johnson getting more than 50 muskies (not counting all those pike ) on just one Leaders and Lures Leader. These things are tough and Gene uses a crimping machine to make sure that they aren't over or under crimped. This is the same way they make rudders wires on small planes. The hardware fails long before the crimp ever will. If you test them without the hardware, the wire breaks before the crimps pulls out. These multi-strand stainless steel cable leaders won't kink very easy, they will bend but they still remain tough and won't break. .
are they using a magical new steel that i never heard of? steel is steel and will kink NO MATTER how kink resistance they say it is.. i had a new 49 stand leaders kink on a 18" pike this year.. never seen a fluoro leader kink or break on me in 10 years of using them..
i do use leaders to lures just so you know and they are very good leaders and i also use steel on all but 2 of my setups.. |
|
| |
|
| muskie! nut - 8/11/2012 5:45 PM
i will go through 10 wire leaders to ever 1 fluoro.. $$ wise it's smart for a guy that doesn't make his own to use fluoro..
You won't with Leaders and Lures Leaders when you have guys like Frank Walsh and Doug Johnson getting more than 50 muskies (not counting all those pike ) on just one Leaders and Lures Leader. These things are tough and Gene uses a crimping machine to make sure that they aren't over or under crimped. This is the same way they make rudders wires on small planes. The hardware fails long before the crimp ever will. If you test them without the hardware, the wire breaks before the crimps pulls out. These multi-strand stainless steel cable leaders won't kink very easy, they will bend but they still remain tough and won't break. .
Gene makes fluoro leaders as well, they look nice and seemed priced fair as well. BR |
|
| |
|
Posts: 2894
Location: Yahara River Chain | Yes I have used fluoro leaders and at 130# they worked fine. But I'm done risking a chance of a cut off when Gene make such great leaders that can't be cut so why should I risk it?
MuskyLureFreak I just used your statement but it was not directed at you per se but to all that think that way. |
|
| |
|
Posts: 323
| muskie! nut - 8/11/2012 7:38 PM
Yes I have used fluoro leaders and at 130# they worked fine. But I'm done risking a chance of a cut off when Gene make such great leaders that can't be cut so why should I risk it?
MuskyLureFreak I just used your statement but it was not directed at you per se but to all that think that way.
no disrespect meant.. just stated a fact.. steel is steel..
all of my fluoro leaders are 200lb or more.. you can get 2 16" 200lb fluoro leader from charlier2753 on ebay for $12.05 shipped.. these are tied and crimped and are very good leaders.. strongest fluoro leaders i have come across.. 70lb stronger then any i have seen for sale.. ebay item# 26108998447 i think he can tie up to 300lb fluoro.. |
|
| |
|
Posts: 1287
Location: WI | Only 2 brands of leaders I will use. Spro for the single strand wire, and Stealth for everything else. Both are awesome. I've used a Stealth leader for 2 seasons, some small nicks but nothing major with no failures. Caught fish of all sizes on them. Right now I won't even look at any other brands regardless of price. |
|
| |
|
Posts: 4053
Location: Land of the Musky | You really can't go wrong with a Stealth leader made by John. Never had any issues with mine. |
|
| |
|
Posts: 716
| Flouro is on everyone of my rods and has been for 10 years with zero failures including jig fishing and other applications where the leader will likely be in the fish's mouth. Both Steel and Flouro in heavier tests work. Durability wise I have had better luck with Flouro with multiple seasons of use on a single leader only changing out worn snaps.
They both work. Pick your poison |
|
| |
|
Posts: 536
| workin a manta the other day a big fish opens up her mouth inhales the manta and all i feel is part of a hit, completely severed the 130lb flourocarbon leader, never had problems with them until now! now I'm wondering if I should go back to seven strand or what! maybe it's my fault for working that style of bait with that style of leader?? |
|
| |
Thorne Bros Trolling Leader Failure