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Location: Lake "y" cause lake"x" got over fished | I'm just curious if anyone has a recording of Lake Minnetonka water temps from Sunday till now? |
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| Not sure on previous days, but it was 81 friday evening and was 81 again yesterday evening. (Tuesday, July 24th.) Suspect we'll see it come down a little if the forecasted cold front shows up this weekend.
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Location: Lake "y" cause lake"x" got over fished | Yeah I am really hoping with all this rain and the soon to be coming minor cold front can put me back on the water fishing for skis.
However, not sure if it is a heat wave thing, but the bass have never been on fire like they are right now and have been for the last few weeks... I have caught more bass and bigger bass on Tonka then I have in the last 5-10 years of fishing the lake. Some real monsters too. Close to ten 5+lbers and one over 6lbs. Catching a lot in the 2-3lb range too. They aren't muskies, but it sure is fun!  |
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| I don't have any information from this week but a temperature profile taken in west upper lake late last week showed that water temps were over 80 degrees down to a depth of 5 meters. I'm sure the rain helped a little bit, but I can't imagine it has cooled much below the surface since then. Also very little dissolved oxygen measured below that depth.
I'm not an expert, but I would think this would be pretty stressful on the fish since they would need to stay in water that is above their preferred temperature range in order to have sufficient oxygen. I think some people who are fishing right now think that the fish can just go down into deeper cooler water to recover. That doesn't seem to be the case right now.
This topic has been beaten to death and its their choice to keep fishing I guess, but it doesn't seem to have stopped some people that post reports on another site from fishing out there. |
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Location: On the X that marks the mucky spot | 83 in the main lake last night. |
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Location: Minnesota. | FAT-SKI - 7/25/2012 10:45 AM
Yeah I am really hoping with all this rain and the soon to be coming minor cold front can put me back on the water fishing for skis.
However, not sure if it is a heat wave thing, but the bass have never been on fire like they are right now and have been for the last few weeks... I have caught more bass and bigger bass on Tonka then I have in the last 5-10 years of fishing the lake. Some real monsters too. Close to ten 5+lbers and one over 6lbs. Catching a lot in the 2-3lb range too. They aren't muskies, but it sure is fun! :)
Ski..you try those bass on a fly rod, once you can cast comfortably. Incredible fun. It totally turned around my "off time" fishing...
And pike hit you in the fall - on topwaters!! It's a blast!
I've been fly fishing for years. Never had as much fun, for everything!! |
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| It appears some people are still going after fish.
http://blog.lakeminnetonkalureco.com/ |
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| Awesome Video...
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| 84 to 86 on my graph at mid day, I saw a few people guiding for muskies...I don't get it. Rant over.
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| 84 to 86 on my graph at mid day, I saw a few people guiding for muskies...I don't get it. Rant over.
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I am with you. |
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Location: Okoboji | I was testing baits off the dock does that count lol |
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| Stop this hot water topic. It is getting old. There have been some great educational info about this topic and have learned a lot It is not illegal to fish in these conditions so let it go already. |
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| Jason. I hope you didn't have hooks on those baits when testing them out. |
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Location: Okoboji | Big ones |
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| In looking at the website it appears there are guys pulling fish from deep water too...pulling fish from deep water will also kill them as well...fyi HCHAD if your putting crank baits 30 ft down your killing fishing....gonna be interesting to see what tonka is like in a few yrs, IMO it seems like a pretty low numbers lake already. Gonna be 30k casts per fish in a few yrs out there after you see things like this and guys still casting away in 85 deg water - add deep trolling and poof - thier gone.
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Location: MPLS, MN | Either I'm getting to be a worse fisherman or the numbers in the last few years are going down. Probably because so many are being kept and delayed mortality not only in hot water but in general since so many are new to the sport and don't handle them right. I still enjoy fishing the metro but the lines for spots are getting longer and the numbers getting lower. |
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Location: Okoboji | Slow Rollin - 7/26/2012 6:16 AM
In looking at the website it appears there are guys pulling fish from deep water too...pulling fish from deep water will also kill them as well...fyi HCHAD if your putting crank baits 30 ft down your killing fishing....gonna be interesting to see what tonka is like in a few yrs, IMO it seems like a pretty low numbers lake already. Gonna be 30k casts per fish in a few yrs out there after you see things like this and guys still casting away in 85 deg water - add deep trolling and poof - thier gone.
hey chad when did you get the deep sea riggin system to get them cranks down 30'??? lmfao... you all need to lay off of him, the guy catches the fish of a lifetime and he gets all this debbie downer crap... the bass guys are pounding away right now anyways...they probally catch more muskies than we do and they are gaurenteed dead after a long fight and a crap release. get off of it.
i am not advocating fishing in the heat but i am not going to make a guy feel like #*#* after he catches a MONSTER. no one likes dead fish,,some people (most) new muskie fisherman which are probally the ones out there get a free pass in my book because they were not educated about the heat vs stress issue. but the guides...i dunno on that one,,were they the craigslist guides lol their ads crack me up.
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| bulldawgs probably kill more fish than fishing in warm water and deep water combined. |
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Location: On the X that marks the mucky spot | bshep, what about dawgs in deep warm water then?
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| kodiak - 7/26/2012 7:50 AM
Slow Rollin - 7/26/2012 6:16 AM
In looking at the website it appears there are guys pulling fish from deep water too...pulling fish from deep water will also kill them as well...fyi HCHAD if your putting crank baits 30 ft down your killing fishing....gonna be interesting to see what tonka is like in a few yrs, IMO it seems like a pretty low numbers lake already. Gonna be 30k casts per fish in a few yrs out there after you see things like this and guys still casting away in 85 deg water - add deep trolling and poof - thier gone.
hey chad when did you get the deep sea riggin system to get them cranks down 30'??? lmfao... you all need to lay off of him, the guy catches the fish of a lifetime and he gets all this debbie downer crap... the bass guys are pounding away right now anyways...they probally catch more muskies than we do and they are gaurenteed dead after a long fight and a crap release. get off of it.
i am not advocating fishing in the heat but i am not going to make a guy feel like #*#* after he catches a MONSTER. no one likes dead fish,,some people (most ) new muskie fisherman which are probally the ones out there get a free pass in my book because they were not educated about the heat vs stress issue. but the guides...i dunno on that one,,were they the craigslist guides lol their ads crack me up.
Trying to help the future of fishing... i am not blaming... a few yrs ago i was one of the guys fishing in warm water and pulling a few fish out of deep water... knowing and learning from mistakes and experience is important in the future of quality fishing... since learning from my experience i have stopped... for those who havent noticed fishing quality is consistenly declining and most likely due to things like this. Not looking to put any down here, just to make aware and if they care about the fishery and quality they will not do these things. In the past, I would have fished in warm water and pulled up fish from deep if I would have known better. Trying to help educate others based on experience and learning from mistakes - thats all.
I think its great that this post and conversations about these topics can be posted on M1st as it may help educate some and shed light on some of the issues with hopefully having decent fisheries for the future. Yrs ago, forums and posts like this would have helped me learn a ton.
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Location: Okoboji | Muskie Treats - 7/26/2012 8:08 AM
bshep, what about dawgs in deep warm water then?
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Location: Okoboji | Slow Rollin - 7/26/2012 8:08 AM
kodiak - 7/26/2012 7:50 AM
Slow Rollin - 7/26/2012 6:16 AM
In looking at the website it appears there are guys pulling fish from deep water too...pulling fish from deep water will also kill them as well...fyi HCHAD if your putting crank baits 30 ft down your killing fishing....gonna be interesting to see what tonka is like in a few yrs, IMO it seems like a pretty low numbers lake already. Gonna be 30k casts per fish in a few yrs out there after you see things like this and guys still casting away in 85 deg water - add deep trolling and poof - thier gone.
hey chad when did you get the deep sea riggin system to get them cranks down 30'??? lmfao... you all need to lay off of him, the guy catches the fish of a lifetime and he gets all this debbie downer crap... the bass guys are pounding away right now anyways...they probally catch more muskies than we do and they are gaurenteed dead after a long fight and a crap release. get off of it.
i am not advocating fishing in the heat but i am not going to make a guy feel like #*#* after he catches a MONSTER. no one likes dead fish,,some people (most ) new muskie fisherman which are probally the ones out there get a free pass in my book because they were not educated about the heat vs stress issue. but the guides...i dunno on that one,,were they the craigslist guides lol their ads crack me up.
Trying to help the future of fishing... i am not blaming... a few yrs ago i was one of the guys fishing in warm water and pulling a few fish out of deep water... knowing and learning from mistakes and experience is important in the future of quality fishing... since learning from my experience i have stopped... for those who havent noticed fishing quality is consistenly declining and most likely due to things like this. Not looking to put any down here, just to make aware and if they care about the fishery and quality they will not do these things. In the past, I would have fished in warm water and pulled up fish from deep if I would have known better. Trying to help educate others based on experience and learning from mistakes - thats all.
no worries man education is what has to be practiced! |
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| Okay,
I haven'y gotten into the whole hot water thing much here so far but as long as I'm getting called out a bit I'll state what I feel. I am not guiding or fishing Muskies in the metro currently. My estimate is probably 30% of the fish I would handle would likely perish even if I do a great job of handling them. This time of year it is realistic to average a bit over one fish per day...some days you get the hoop some days you get 2-3-4 but easily a fish a day plus on the average.
So thirty days of hot water, say 40 fish caught in my boat, 12 likely die, figure around 900 adult muskies in the lake (tonka) and then figure there are 10 boats that mirror my results... that's 120 dead fish in 30 days...well over 10 percent of the population. If you argue there are not ten boats with those results just add in the 30-50 boats fishing on a given day catching maybe one in three days with a slightly higher percentage rate of mortaility due to less experienced handleing. Its an arbitrary equation for sure but the bottom line is a lot of fish will perish. We saw it on Millacs when big fish were hammered on the north end in mid 80 degree heat and handled poorly...the numbers of fish using that end of the lake is a small fraction of the glory days of the early 2000's. We have seen the same type of mortality on Waconia...it is not even close to the lake it was 5-6 years ago.
Stocking cannot keep up with the casual mortality on highly pressured lakes... we are seeing that now, add in the higher mortality combined with the fish's need for more food during high temps (cold blooded animals eat more when it's hot) and you have a very catchable population of fish that will sustain higher than average mortality during this period.
No it's not against the law to fish right now but like a lot of things that are perfectly legal I just don't think it's the right thing to do...if you want a sustainable fishery that we can fish with decent results in the years to come. Some people will still fish and that's their choice, some will guide... again their choice. I'm simply calling for a little restraint. In my seminars I always use the phrase "we love them to death" I'll wait untill the odds are a liitle more in their favor.
81-2 degrees on the surface at 6:30 AM this morning, 80 degrees 18 feet down
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Location: Minnetonka | bturg - 7/26/2012 1:19 PM
81-2 degrees on the surface at 6:30 AM this morning, 80 degrees 18 feet down
So if a muskie sitting on the bottom in 18 feet of water has assimilated to 80 degree water temperature, will it still die if I catch it? Hypothetically speaking, OF COURSE! |
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Location: MN | Very well stated Bob. |
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| I will say that the carp fishing out on Tonka is real good right now and we all own the right equipment. If they die it is not that big of a deal as they are like gremlins, if water touches them they multiply. |
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Location: Lino Lakes, MN | Outstanding reply Bob 
Good Luck when the water cools
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| Nice Post Bob. |
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| Andy, I'm not sure if you are giving me a hard time or just giving me crap so I'll answer. The fish sitting at 18 feet is adjusted to and surviving in the lower oxygen levels...it is also in a relativly sedintary state for the most part. A burst of speed to feed probably doesn't put it in an oxygen deprived state as the effort is pretty minimal. In contrast the same fish hooked, fought and usually held out of water for a while is in a whole different situation. It is gassed, the available oxygen in it's system was used up in the battle and has to be replenished in water that just doesn't have very levels to do so. For us it's the same as hanging out at 12,000 feet in high temps, putting out a huge effort in what appears to be a life and death situation then trying to recover in the less 02 rich air...it's #*^@ hard and even harder on big old people...like big old fish.
It's not for me to decide what anyone does but I think it's important for everyone to really understand the potential for damage...even in the best scenario. Plenty of people work really hard, donate time and or money to help fund the stocking here in MN ( and other states ) and I think they feel crapped on and frustrated when people simply ignore the obvious potential for significant damage to the fishery that can be inflicted in such a short period of time.
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| Well put again Bob. It's amazing how selfish some people can be. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | TJ and I will be on the docks at Maynards tomorrow with an Aqua-Vu CZ series in the water, and will show you the temps there about 100 times during the live webcast of the Marathon Man on Minnetonka.
Bluegills will be caught and released. Thousands of 'em. No muskies. Noo.
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| Great posts Bob. I agree with you and commend you for canceling your guide trips during this hot weather period. Its just not worth the risk to this already fragile fishery.
I wish all of the other guides and one of your fellow bloggers on the thorne bros website would follow your example and leave the tonka muskies alone for a while too. |
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| Bob great post... I agree with you that everyone should use restraint during the heat as it will benefit all of us in the long run. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | 79.1 on Tonka at Maynards today; still is. Saw a bunch of muskies up to mid 40's chasing gills around. |
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Location: Maplewood, MN | whats the tonka temp now? |
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| 90* the last two days, I doubt water temp. is going down... |
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Location: Maplewood, MN | it rained 3 times over the weekend and had a 15mph wind yesterday so my guess is the water is a little cooler than earlier... |
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| IMO i would say we are not even close to safe water temps... the water is very warm even well below the surface... maybe a few weeks away even if it cools down. |
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Location: Maplewood, MN | I never said we were, my question simply was, whats the tonka temp now? |
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| MuskieFever - 7/31/2012 3:15 PM
it rained 3 times over the weekend and had a 15mph wind yesterday so my guess is the water is a little cooler than earlier...
The lake actually got warmer yesterday w/ those 15 mph winds. Got off the lake an hour ago and it was 83. It's going to take a lot more than a little rain and wind to cool that lake down. |
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Location: Maplewood, MN | what part of the lake were you fishing? |
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Location: WI | I got 83 just off of diamond reef and that's an area I would suspect would have some of the coolest water in the lake. |
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Location: Maplewood, MN | Thanks for the info. Just asking water temps, not planning on fishing muskies there soon. |
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| If you keep your lures cool, keep them in a cooler and rotate them out so only a fresh cold one is cast, the fish tend to respond fine. |
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| 90 degrees huh??? time for you to get a new temp gauge! 90....80....who cares...TOO HOTTTTTT!!!! |
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| That's 90* air temps |
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Minnetonka Water temps?