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| I've been having some issues with hookup ratios of certain lures lately... and in the past. so, that raised the question, what lures get you bit but not necessarily a hook up?
and its hard for me to not use that lure due to the bites, but then leaves me with an angry feeling every time i miss the fish... very frustrating. |
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| Mine is some single bladed riveted bucktail, only one treble 5 hits and only one hookup. Frustrating. |
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Location: VA | I had tubes that looked like Swiss Cheese until I started building my own harness. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Most times I find missing multiple fish on a particular lure to be as much operator error as lure design....just a long term observation. |
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| Whatever I'm throwing while I'm daydreaming, and one hits. Or when you start getting lazy on the 8's...thats when they'll show up every time. |
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| I agree with Steve. Most of my failed hook ups were my fault. That being said, I've had difficulty hooking fish with tubes, as well. |
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| The Pig and the Manta.
Not only is the Pig incredibly hard to work it hooks up terrible. I did catch a very large musky on one though once and so I can't dis it too bad. |
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| Mullhead - 7/16/2012 9:52 PM
I had tubes that looked like Swiss Cheese until I started building my own harness.
I will second that
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Try this using tubes:
When a fish hits, give it line. Yes, give it line for a 4 count, Let the fish tighten up the line and hammer the steel home. |
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Location: IL | Glide baits |
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Location: North Metro, MN | Jackpot... missed more fish on wtd baits than anything for sure, great for making them show up though! Caught some nice fish on them but plenty never really got hooked |
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| in the past i missed a ton of fish on jig&creature combos, i ended up switching to a slower action rod and had to learn to not set the hook the instant i felt something but wait till i felt the actual weight of the fish |
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Location: Muskegon Michigan | Ill second the Jack Pot. I have had over 100 fish miss them, knock them out of the water etc. Only caught one fish and that was on a figure 8 . Then the Weagle was invented and I hooked up almost immediately . Never looked back. Mike |
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Location: Canada | Manta |
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| Hellhound and The Jimmy. I've had good luck hooking up with my mantas. |
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Location: minocqua, wi. | i know one particular dude who would have a few nice photos if he'd moved the back hook further back on a shallow invader ... great bait, bad hook placement. one of them was particularly large if my memory serves me correctly. |
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Location: Minocqua, WI | any glider or walk the dog bait... and rubber... hookups yes but so many lost fish... ugh. Can be SO frustrating when fish decide to start head-hitting the bait everytime... not sure why they hit differently some days... could be the way they are relating to the structure or the level of aggression or maybe they just like to mess with us. Either way, there have been days where I want to take every rubber bait I own and make a sacrifice to the musky gods over an open fire or deep lake.
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| Jackpot, many misses and a few missed hooksets. Seems the fish always hit the bait wrong. |
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Location: Stevens Point, WI | Eel and flying witch, without a doubt. |
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| jonnysled - 7/17/2012 7:24 AM
i know one particular dude who would have a few nice photos if he'd moved the back hook further back on a shallow invader ... great bait, bad hook placement. one of them was particularly large if my memory serves me correctly.
I agree. I love the shallow invader and it gets lots of action when I use them but I rarely do because I got sick of hooking up and losing fish. |
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| Mr automatic glide bait. I have had the bait thrown at me so many times that I want to keep a catchers mit next to the net! |
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| jonnysled - 7/17/2012 7:24 AM
i know one particular dude who would have a few nice photos if he'd moved the back hook further back on a shallow invader ... great bait, bad hook placement. one of them was particularly large if my memory serves me correctly.
Sled, do you even allow them in your boat any more?? |
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Location: minocqua, wi. | Ja Rule - 7/17/2012 9:42 AM
jonnysled - 7/17/2012 7:24 AM
i know one particular dude who would have a few nice photos if he'd moved the back hook further back on a shallow invader ... great bait, bad hook placement. one of them was particularly large if my memory serves me correctly.
I agree. I love the shallow invader and it gets lots of action when I use them but I rarely do because I got sick of hooking up and losing fish.
there's a hook-fix out there ... which reminds me that i need to get some rigged up. |
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Location: Ontario | Any WTD top water...man does it get frustrating! |
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Location: Manitowish Waters WI | I'm glad someone started this thread. I'm in a recent slump this season, I'm a glider guy, deep or shallow, I love them. My slump has been running from mid June till current, even though I have not been fishing in the heat since the 4 th week. My "slump" consists of 5 missed quality fish all on gliders. Is been like clockwork, smash, thrash at the surface, jump, and spit. I've lost fish in the past on gliders but never like this. Two of the fish completely crushed the bait (hellhound) and had it tboned in their mouths, still lost!!! I'm sure some of it is user error but man its depressing!!! And yes I sharpen my hooks. |
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| Great topic! A buddy and I have been talking and trying to figure out why we are losing so many fish on tubes. The issue is we have great success raising, hooking and seeing fish on tubes. More than any other plastic and we've tried them all. We bothcame to agree that we land only 25-30% of fish hooked on tubes. We both and a few more fishing buddies of ours have lost some serious giants over the years and lots of fish ranging in all sizes. Most would say its part of fishing for big game species like Muskie but I'm telling ya we are losing so many fish year after year. We've messed around with less hooks, more hooks, rushing the fish to net, taking time to get fish in net, set hook immediately and wait a few seconds and set hook like Steve mentioned. It's by far my favorite "go-to" bait where I fish. It always catches fish for me even in the dog days of summer but it's startling how many fish we all are losing day in and day out. I just lost another slob Sunday night. Crushed my tube, perfect hookset and got her halfway to boat, couple head shakes and gone. Typical as most fish seem to pop off with a head shake or two easiily with these tubes. Problem is they work all the time and seem to raise fish when nothing else will..... |
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Location: Ames, Iowa | Maybe the loss of the fish on tubes has something to do with the fixed nature of the hooks vs. swinging hooks on most other baits. Fish gets leverage against the fixed point and out rolls the hook (???) |
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Location: Maple Grove, MN | For me, the worst hook-up lures are gliders of any kind. Mantas, Phantoms, Fat Boys, Sledges, and Hell Hounds all provide lots of hits and few fish. I don't even throw them anymore because there seems to be no point. All I do is cast a lot and then go home disappointed. |
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Location: VA | These rigs seem to have fixed most of my problem. 8/0 in the head and 8/0 where the body meets the tentacles. One goes thru the nose the other is about 60 degrees they both fall at a different angle. I can make them both from 1 to 3oz.
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| I agree with the Jimmy !me and jimmy have a talk every single time i get a hit and then they let go .but have caught fish on them before like 5 to 10 hit to losses!
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| Herb_b - 7/17/2012 11:42 AM
use different hooks on the hell hounds like gammies!they are sharp and the fish almost always hook themselves!
For me, the worst hook-up lures are gliders of any kind. Mantas, Phantoms, Fat Boys, Sledges, and Hell Hounds all provide lots of hits and few fish. I don't even throw them anymore because there seems to be no point. All I do is cast a lot and then go home disappointed. |
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| Sled- I think I may know the guy you're talking about... I just don't understand why u should have to modify a bait out of the package. If they made the hook hanger like the deep invader...problem solved. |
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Location: minocqua, wi. | that one was a big #*^@ fish ... :0), it was even bigger than the big one!
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| Great feedback guys! I don't fish tubes much at all, so dont feel your pain there... And i agree with the shallow invaders hook placement, doesn't make much sense to me!
As a bait maker, i didn't want to throw anyone under the bus, but i guess it can be used as constructive criticism haha. The bait i have the issues with is a squirrely Burt. It's not a matter of the fish throwing the lure after it's hooked, just a matter of that initial hook up.
Here's the run down..... Cast, jerk, wait, jerk, wait, explosion, bait goes under, i reel down to it, set the hook, and nothing. It is probably this same occurance about 75% of the time with this lure. I wouldn't say there's any operator error with my top water fishing, same process I have mastered in bass fishing. And hooks are sharp!
And I've done some mods to the bait, but that usually ruins the action with this specific tail.
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Location: Northern Illinois | I allways wonder if top water lures get an even worse rap for misses (compared to other lures) than they should. With a top water, every single miss is utterly obvious. I wonder if when using deeper diving lures sometimes misses are attributed to weeds, rocks, timber etc. because you just can't allways see it, but you feel something, and just don't know for sure. You would think that hard twitching or jerking deeper diving lures or plastics would have similar problems with the fish tracking them. |
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Location: Bemidji, Lake Vermilion | Can't say I'm always fond of rubber baits in general, although they get bit. Tossed out a brand new pounder this past weekend, had a real nice fish bite it in the first couple minutes. Set the hook HARD. After a few secs tried to keep the beast down as I felt her coming up, she got up anyways, mouth opened, head shook, bait came out. Don't think I had a single hook in it. Bait was bent in a 90 degree angle, probably close to 40 deep gashes all over it. She clamped on it hard and no hookset in the world was moving that bait in the fishes mouth. Not the first time, won't be the last. |
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Location: Chisholm, MN | Bulldawg for me. Tubes were hard at first but I got a system down now. |
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| Manta. Lost 4 fish in one day on that dang thing. THEN, I learned about "t-ing" the hooks and replacing the crummy hooks it came with in favor of some larger ones. Now I just never use it.  |
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| weagle is an easy throw for a lunge |
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| Supprised no one mention the Creeper -- 2% catch rate |
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Location: Uxbridge Ontario | Weagle has been my enemy. |
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Location: Cave Run Lake KY. | chatter bait  |
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| almost every tubes available,and depthraiders with the stock treble hooks,and no it have nothing to do with the guy behind the rod.i will also add any wtd lures,way too much fish that not even touch the lures and as a bonus lot of time they never came back
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| Firetiger - 7/16/2012 8:50 PM
Shumway Flasher
how?
marabou offer zero resistance it's so soft,so the baits is virtually just a wire with two treble hooks. |
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Location: Hayward, WI | I never have thrown gliders very much, but they don't do a good job of hooking up for me. Little northern pike love then and get pinned up solid as can be on them however. I throw a lot of rubber and historically it hooks fish pretty well for me. Every year though, I go through a period where they must either hit the very head or even hit with mouths closed. Feel the hard thunk, set the hook, and either feel nothing, or fish on for a few seconds and gone.
I've lost very few fish on topwater. I have had fish MISS a Weagle pretty often, but if the fish connects with Weagle or Pacemaker it's usually coming to the net.
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | 'weagle is an easy throw for a lunge'
Bull.
Wait until the fish has the thing and don't set the hook multiple times. Excellent hooking percentage.
Speaking of bull, the Wabull is my favorite glider and hooks up really well for me. |
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| If some think that you need to wait a 2-4 second count on tubes then I'll do my best to try and make it happen. We're talking some serious discipline though.... Reactions to the strike/bite has me so trained to drive the hooks home and drive them home hard that's it's going to be a huge challenge to wait a few seconds then set the hook. It could be easier with a boat partner who can shout at you to hold on a a few seconds then drive hooks home but fishing solo and waiting all day for that one bite makes it real hard to delay a hookset. Great theory and I'm gonna try it with tubes. No promises though as it has to be one of the hardest things to do, wait and set the hook after a few seconds... |
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Location: minocqua, wi. | (2) tugs in topwater fishing ... always let the fish tug first.
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| mine is the topperstopper i have had numorous hits on them on yet to seal the deal. I have no problem with crank baits and bucktails but surface bait are for the birds. |
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| sworrall - 7/16/2012 12:00 AM
Try this using tubes:
When a fish hits, give it line. Yes, give it line for a 4 count, Let the fish tighten up the line and hammer the steel home.
so the fish will literally swallow the tube exactly as a real bait fish?after 1 or2 seconds they don't start to find anything suspect?
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Location: Not far enough north! | It's just like fishing tubes for bass. Tap...Tap... Start Running... Then Set the Hook |
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Location: Land of the Musky | Mullhead - 7/16/2012 9:52 PM
I had tubes that looked like Swiss Cheese until I started building my own harness.
Get a hook up by the head of the lure on those tubes. Mike Hulbert had a great suggestion for my Tubby Tubes 3 years ago when I was making them and I listened! I moved my front hook almost on the nose of the lure. Drastically increased hook ups with my pro staff who were testing the prototypes. Can't remember all of the rigging types the original musky sized Lindy Tiger tube had but I saw a lot and many had a hook up by the nose too.
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Location: VA | Picture of my rig on the bottom of the first page. 8/0 hooks |
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Location: Clintonville, WI | My worst hook-up lures historically have been my pick-up lines..........
For muskies, they have been a jackpot and one particular Bobbie Bait that I can't seem to keep fish pinned on (user error has been a factor in a select few cases, but otherwise just bad juju for that Bobbie). |
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| Chico R - 7/17/2012 12:53 AM
Jackpot... missed more fish on wtd baits than anything for sure, great for making them show up though! Caught some nice fish on them but plenty never really got hooked
No doubt! The Jackpots are so light but the fish love them. I have had at least 20 fish blow the Jackpot out of the water and only hooked 3. |
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Location: Land of the Musky | Mullhead - 7/17/2012 11:54 AM
These rigs seem to have fixed most of my problem. 8/0 in the head and 8/0 where the body meets the tentacles. One goes thru the nose the other is about 60 degrees they both fall at a different angle. I can make them both from 1 to 3oz.
Robert, that is an awesome rig for the tubes. Nice spinner chaser too! Do you also find about 80% of your hits on tubes go to the head of the lure? |
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Location: Cave Run Lake KY. | I have 14 Bulldawg's in my box and I have cut the top big hook of of every one. my hookups' on the dog are about 95% . Cut it even with the top of the bait, Try one to find out for yourself. I fish the dog fast in a fast walk the dog retive. When a fish hits it she's hooked all you have to do is hang on. Marv. - - - there is no bad way to fish a dog. |
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Location: Wisconsin River | I also have had hooking problems with nose rigged tubes. Jig rigs seem to work much better but tend to run too deep for shallow water. Even though, I would rather get hit alot and loose some. Do you think the front hook should swing free or stick it in the bait for less fouling? |
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| Invader mod. Take a piece of wire ad twist around the front eye and thread it through the rear eyelet and make a loop an inch back. It a simple fix, I will post a few pics of this mod when I can. Haven't lost a fish on an invader after moving the hook back an inch. |
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Location: VA | Tackle Industries - 7/21/2012 7:55 AM
Mullhead - 7/17/2012 11:54 AM
These rigs seem to have fixed most of my problem. 8/0 in the head and 8/0 where the body meets the tentacles. One goes thru the nose the other is about 60 degrees they both fall at a different angle. I can make them both from 1 to 3oz.
Robert, that is an awesome rig for the tubes. Nice spinner chaser too! Do you also find about 80% of your hits on tubes go to the head of the lure?
James
I'd say well over 90% away from the boat. And 50/50 on the 8. I like the hooks on top so you can still bounce it on the bottom. |
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