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| Is there a difference? What is it? Do we need a twitch bait classification or is it a method of retrieve?
What’s a good twitch bait? What’s a good shallow diver? Can one bait be both or do they need to be labeled one or the other?
I’m soooo confused.
Attn Jlong: Watch your hypocrisy here… ha-ha
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| I'm confused too because many people ask me to build a twitchbait but they refer to lures like a TR twitcher, I myself refer to twitchbaits as lures like a slammer, a bucher shallowraider (baby model and straight model), jake, grandma, ...
But actually you can twitch any crankbait. Twitching is how you fish it. I like twitching deep diver slammers!
so what's it gonna be? | |
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| NXT,
I can't believe you took this public (ha ha). Anyway, I believe there is more of a difference than simply the running depth of the lure to differentiate between a "deep" diver versus a twitchbait.
I consider a twitchbait a lure that is designed to produce FLASH. Often it has flat sides and a lip shape, angle, and location that makes the lure roll more than it dives. You can get lots of action with very little forward movement of the lure when it is "twitched". Examples would be Cranes, ShallowRaiders, Jakes, Slammers, Rapala, etc.
A diver is a lure that swims, wallows, swaggers, or has more of a rocking action between the head and tail.... rather than a rolling action from back to belly. They also usually have bodies that are more round in shape, rather than flat sides. These lures behave differently when "twitched" or "jerked". They will dart and sometimes turn... but do not produce much for a rolling action that generates flash. They also have more forward movement when pulled or twitched that is more like a jerkbait. Examples of "divers", both shallow and deep, are the Creek Chub Pikie, Depthraiders (original and baby sizes), Ernies, Bagley DB series, Wiley Bait, Cisco Kid, etc.
I believe twitchin' is a technique.... however depending on HOW you twitch and WHAT you twitch.... you will get a different result. Thus... I feel there is a major difference between a crankbait that is described as a Twitchbait versus one described as a Diver.... even though you can twitch them both.
What does everyone else think????
jlong | |
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| J, spoken like a true politician… ha-ha I had to take it here, there’s no way I could do all the required typing myself.
So, given a common trait of the examples, would the key ingredient in a good working twichbait be high buoyancy?
A Rapala is a good twitch bait and a Cisco kid is not??? | |
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| They are not arguing what is cranking or what is twitching. The are debating if there is a true definition of twitchbait compared to a crankbait.
I am come down on Jason’s side here. If you go into Rollie & Helen’s and ask to see twitchbaits they will most likely show you baby and 7” Straight Shallow Raiders; 6”,7”,8”, 9”, and 10” Jakes and Grandmas. Flat sided narrow bodied baits are usually what people are referring to when they talk about twitch baits. I would say that most of the time a twitchbait will run less than 5 feet on a straight crank. Some even less than 3.
Example of baits I would call shallow running crankbaits not twitchbaits are; the shallow lipped Cisco Kid, the Salmo Crank, the Believer on the shallow lip, the Big Fork Pulsator.
The thing is this is all really a personal thing, as one mans perfect twitchbait is the next mans best trolling crankbait. Which by the way, how can it be called a crankbait when they are trolling with it and not cranking it? See what I mean it is all relative.
That being said you can twitch, jerk, pull, rip or crank any bait with a lip.
High buoyancy doesn’t have to be an ingredient in a good working twitch bait. Look at the 7” Straight Shallow Raider, my favorite twitchbait, it has very little positive buoyancy.
Hope that helps
Nail A Pig!
Mike
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| Mike good to see you back around, I agree 100% with both Mike and Jason. Any of these baits can be twitched, cranked or trolled, all up to the operator's preference, but there seems to be a big upside to twitching the flat sided fellas. This does not mean I don't throw in a couple twitches on a retrieve with a depthraider, but even so I would not consider it a classic twitchbait. | |
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| WHAT???? You mean you can "twitch" a Depthraider???? Can you jerk it too? I thought you could only CRANK a crankbait and twitch a twitchbait....which is how they got their names.
jlong
P.S. For those who don't know me... this is written with some SERIOUS SARCASM.[:bigsmile:] | |
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| Jason, don't want to overload you on info here but believe it or not, I think it may even be possible to twitch a jerkbait. My god what would Frank Suick think??[;)]
P.S. Almost an equal amount of sarcasm included here | |
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| nwild,
I LOVE IT!!!! This is too funny.
jlong | |
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Shallow diver vs. “twitch bait”