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| The water in a lake is over 80 degrees and their are idiots muskie fishing! If people don't know that temps like this can harm the muskies when caught then they should stick to golf.
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| yep! gonna be real close to danger temps after this weeks heat wave. hopefully guys take up another sport for a while til we cool down. se wisconsin |
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Location: La Crosse, WI | Already? Fight them fast, get them in the net quick, water release, one quick pic if its a nice fish. More fish die from improper handling, not having adequate tools, or being deeply hooked than high water temps. However, if the water is above 80 and has been for sometime, might as well go bass fishing or swimming. Also, avoid fishing in the heat of the day. I tend to fish in an area where water temps rarely hit 80 for extended periods of time, but I've never seen it be much of an issue. Yes I understand what delayed mortality means. Also, deeper lakes with creeks flowing in tend to have lower temps even if the surface temp is 80 plus |
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Location: minocqua, wi. | shoot the ba$tards .... |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | May be education instead of complaining and insulting would be a good start. |
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| it is enough to really pity the Musky-only fishermen. you guys wait all year for opener, then before you know it, too hot, then a window for fishing in the fall before ice-up. plus half the time you're outraged or p/o about something: cutoff, wrong hold, too hot, too many pics, wrong net, not as large as stated, ramps closed arbitrarily.
real fishermen fish all year round, not less than half the year. grab your bass/walleye/crappy rod, shut up and fish.
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Location: oswego, il | I ride with sled but you have to get the family too. |
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Location: So. Illinois | PounderDawg - 6/25/2012 7:49 PM
The water in a lake is over 80 degrees and their are idiots muskie fishing! If people don't know that temps like this can harm the muskies when caught then they should stick to golf.
If people don't know that warm temps can harm muskies, then they will continue to to fish for muskies. If you had taken the time to politely inform them of the dangers, they may have choosen to go golfing instead. If they choose to ignore your advice, then I would say it would be appropriate to refer to them as idiots. |
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Location: Lake "y" cause lake"x" got over fished | PounderDawg - 6/25/2012 7:49 PM
The water in a lake is over 80 degrees and their are idiots muskie fishing! If people don't know that temps like this can harm the muskies when caught then they should stick to golf.
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I don't own a water temp gauge of any kind so..... What area do you live in? I am looking to go out today and for the next four days in a row... but I am just gunna bring the bass rod if the waters are like that near me. |
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| So I only get 1 week of vacation to go fishing for muskies with my son. We picked the week that happens to be when the water temps are up. My son loves musky fishing. He talks about it all winter. Looks like I can't take him fishing for muskies because that would make him an idiot!
I love this board but, sometimes!!! |
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| Also, we need to make sure all of the guides cancel all their trips with their clients until the temps come down. They will need to go golfing too. |
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Location: Hudson, WI | That's just surface temp and it's much more variable at this time of year. Two cooler/cloudy days and your electronics will show it at 76. 80's are more of a problem in July/August when high temps reach deeper into the water column. If it was a sunny day and I was going out for the evening and had surface temps of 80, I'd have no problem fishing in it at this time of year. Just keep the fish in the water and handle it properly. |
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| I'm sorry you feel this way, but if you fish in high water temps the fish has a much greater chance of dying. Future generations will not have good musky fishing. WHen you go on the trip, make sure you have the proper tools, fight the fish fast, net it quick, quick picture and get it back. I'm sorry I offended you.
Musky53 - 6/26/2012 10:28 AM
Also, we need to make sure all of the guides cancel all their trips with their clients until the temps come down. They will need to go golfing too. |
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| Pewaukee was 77-78 on Friday. Given the cooler nights we've had, I expect that it may be a little less than that now.
This heat spell will raise temperatures, but let's see how humid it gets and how the nights are before we say that people are "idiots" for fishing muskies.
Last year I saw that when temps exceeded 84 degrees, people really stayed away from the lake. And when temps started rising into the 80's, lots of people used water releases on their fish. We found only a couple floaters during a 3 week time period when the temps were quite high.
If you are looking to see the true water temp, get a thermometer and put it on a rope, or line. Drop it down 8-10 feet and see what that temp is. Lots of time our transducers only pick up the heat of the water in 1-2 feet of water, not the true temp down there a little deeper. |
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| ToddM - 6/26/2012 8:47 AM
I ride with sled but you have to get the family too.
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Location: Eagan, MN | I agree with vegas. Before you get too worked up make sure you know what you're talking about. A foot or two of warm surface water with cooler underneath is not an issue. Unless you're just looking for something to be outraged about, then have at it. |
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| Looks like the informant needs better information. |
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| Go easy on the guy. To each their own. You have to respect someone who wants the musky population to be safe.
And last year there were a lot of really good anglers who stayed away from Pewaukee when the water temps soared. I feel that this was due in part to websites like this who educated anglers about delayed mortality. |
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| If you live ten minutes from the lake, and you can fish today or tomorrow or next week when the water cools off, it's one thing. But you can't expect the folks who have planned a trip for months to cancel it because it's hot. You can't expect someone who drove 6 hours to go muskie fishing for the weekend to just go find something else to do because it's hot. For all you know, those people out fishing when surface temps are 80 are doing so during the only week a year when they get to go somewhere and fish. You gonna tell them to stop? |
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Location: Madison, WI | cast10K - 6/26/2012 11:15 AM
I agree with vegas. Before you get too worked up make sure you know what you're talking about. A foot or two of warm surface water with cooler underneath is not an issue. Unless you're just looking for something to be outraged about, then have at it.
MY THOUGHTS EXACTLY. |
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Location: Suspended | I agree with this completely.
sworrall - 6/25/2012 11:26 PM
May be education instead of complaining and insulting would be a good start. |
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| Calling someone an idiot is not educating in my opinion. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | I don't know, I'm an idiot some days. Freely admit it. |
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| Since when did everyone get so up in arms about using the word idiots? Why so sensitive? I call myself an idiot all the time when I do something dumb. If someone calls me an idiot I just agree and move on.
As far as the temps being to high possibly harming muskies its fact not opinion. If you ignore this and intentionally cause extra harm just because you want to fish for muskies still you are being selfish.
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| Fishing in general is selfish and the better fisherman you are the more harm you are inflecting on the fish. We all work hard to hook as many as we can. H |
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| Ja Rule - 6/26/2012 1:41 PM
Since when did everyone get so up in arms about using the word idiots? Why so sensitive? I call myself an idiot all the time when I do something dumb. If someone calls me an idiot I just agree and move on.
As far as the temps being to high possibly harming muskies its fact not opinion. If you ignore this and intentionally cause extra harm just because you want to fish for muskies still you are being selfish.
You need to define what a high water temperature is... Believe me, it isn't 80 degrees on Pewaukee yet. And if this hot spell shoots it up there, it will be a while before that 80 degree surface water penetrates the depths.
Careful calling guys selfish. There are a lot of really good musky guys down here who know when to put the musky poles away for a while. These are the guys who put them away every year. Now is not time.
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Location: Eagan, MN | Vegas is spot on, again. Nobody is ignoring warm water releases being a factor. Each of the past two season I have hung it up for a week or two due to temps. But it takes sustained high temps to matter. Get a temp gauge that you can drop down 6-10', you might be surprised.
I'm in MN, and I get that this is more of an issue down south. Daytime high water temps here have been around 74, 76 if it's an especially warm day. We are supposed to get 90 degree heat for the next few days. I'm sure we'll get surface temps over 80, but I'll be fishing. Release fish by giving them a good push down into deeper water (dougj tip) and the fish will be fine. |
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| I didn't say it was time at all. Just saying the premise of not fishing muskies once it gets too hot because of extra stress and harm is a good one . I'm no biologist so I can't say what that exact temp is. To me its not only when the surface temp hits the 80's but when temps 5-10feet down and more are in the high 70's and 80's. I wasn't calling anyone specific selfish just saying the "I'll fish them when I want, nobodies gonna tell me I cant fish for them" attitude is selfish. |
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| I have to take my vacation when I am able to--don't have a job where I can pick up and leave anytime I want to. We go when job says we can take off---So myself and my kids fish when we can--I don't care about the surface temps--jsut try and do the RIGHT THING as afar as water releasing and getting them back when we get 1. Sorry if this offends some but thats the way it goes. And I have to agree--some on the board and others are just out of control with their thinking that they are RIGHT all the time and everyone should do as they do. Hate to break it to them but there is going to be some dissapointing times for them in their life. I know several locals here in Wisconsin where we have a lake home who will purposely keep and kill a MUSKY if they think it will bother some MUSKY NUT who has said something to them about their way of fishing. Some people just take a negative attitude when the are told how they should be doing things. Education and understanding is by far the best method to approach something like this---certainly not calling people IDIOTS !! Good Luck to all and keep on fishing -- just do the right thing and use the best tools to get them back swimming as soon and safely as possible. |
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| esox911 - 6/26/2012 7:13 PM
I know several locals here in Wisconsin where we have a lake home who will purposely keep and kill a MUSKY if they think it will bother some MUSKY NUT who has said something to them about their way of fishing..
Overheard in a bar one night:
"I cut their bellies when I catch one. Used to let 'em go, but every musky fishermen I've ever met in my life has been an a-- h---, so I figure f--- 'em! Maybe they'll stay home in their own states if there ain't no more muskies up here!"
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Location: North Central IL USA | esox911 - 6/26/2012 7:13 PM
I have to take my vacation when I am able to--don't have a job where I can pick up and leave anytime I want to. We go when job says we can take off---So myself and my kids fish when we can--I don't care about the surface temps--jsut try and do the RIGHT THING as afar as water releasing and getting them back when we get 1. Sorry if this offends some but thats the way it goes.
Totally understandable. You wait all year for your fishing vacation - can't just blow it off because it's hot out and hope it's better weather the following year. |
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Location: Lino Lakes, MN | Homer - 6/26/2012 1:46 PM
Fishing in general is selfish and the better fisherman you are the more harm you are inflecting on the fish. We all work hard to hook as many as we can. H
Very true. Luckily, I'm not that great of a fisherman so most of the fish in the lake are pretty safe when I'm in the vicinity. I'm all for doing anything and everything to be easy on fish, but sometimes I think we lose sight of the fact that we're throwing massive lures with razor sharp hooks and trying to drive them into their mouths as hard as we can. As I said, I'm a huge proponent of doing everything I can to be easy on fish, including staying off the water when the water is really warm, but to be honest, and I might get roasted for this, if the only thing I cared about was keeping muskies alive, I wouldn't be out on a boat fishing for them because I know that no matter how hard I try, my actions as a muskie fisherman will 100% lead to the death of some fish no matter how hard I try.
I used to get upset and want to yell at people, but nowadays I spend that energy trying to politely educate people if I see something while out on the water. Most people are very receptive as long as you don't get up on the soap box and start preaching with an attitude. When I first started, I had no clue about the extra harm I could cause fishing in high water temps...it was actually someone on this board that mentioned it to me while out on the lake and directed me to MuskieFIRST and told me to check it out for some further tips on releasing fish, etc. FWIW, I haven't read the entire thread and this isn't directed at any single person, its more something that I've been pondering a lot this season and this seemed like a good spot to post about it. |
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Location: Elko - Lake Vermilion | Homer - 6/26/2012 1:46 PM
Fishing in general is selfish and the better fisherman you are the more harm you are inflecting on the fish. We all work hard to hook as many as we can. H
Homer,... With all due respect,... I really hope your just screwing around.
Ever hear of PETA? Because with that dribble, Your blowing their Horn.
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| jonnysled - 6/27/2012 6:38 AM
Homer ... you're bobber's down
I don't think he is fishing, the point makes sense. Not sure what Peta has to do with it. Fishing is not good for the fish, but that is just a bi-product of the fun. We fish because it is fun. BR |
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| Ja Rule - 6/26/2012 5:52 PM
I didn't say it was time at all. Just saying the premise of not fishing muskies once it gets too hot because of extra stress and harm is a good one . I'm no biologist so I can't say what that exact temp is. To me its not only when the surface temp hits the 80's but when temps 5-10feet down and more are in the high 70's and 80's. I wasn't calling anyone specific selfish just saying the "I'll fish them when I want, nobodies gonna tell me I cant fish for them" attitude is selfish.
I can respect that. Thank you for clarifying your post. |
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Location: oswego, il | Fishing is fun? I do it to get totally aggravated. |
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| vegas492 - 6/27/2012 9:20 AM
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I can respect that. Thank you for clarifying your post.
No problem, my first post should have been worded better. I actually agree with most everything you've said |
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Location: wild rose, wi | sometimes I can search this site and find a lot of useful information. I'd be the first to admit that I have a lot to learn about musky fishing, but when some self-rightsious arragant a-hole starts ranting about other sportsmen, I'm sorry, but I take it as a direct confrontation. Our job is to help others learn the proper ethics and to instill a strong appreciation of how to be a conservator of all of our resources. SO lets not bad rap the idiots out there, cause we all could use a little more education ourselves. I learn a little bit more every time I get into my boat. |
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| ToddM - 6/27/2012 10:01 AM
Fishing is fun? I do it to get totally aggravated
I'm sayin. There's no fun in this. |
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| When is sticking multiple 7/0 treble hooks good for a musky? If we were that concerned about them we wouldn't try to hook one ever. We need to take precautions to try to allow them to survive as much as possible but if one dies it's not the end of the World, they are a renewable resource after all. |
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| Wait, can some one please answer me this question...
Is 79.9 degree water temp the max I can fish to ensure the fish will not die? That means play it out to full exhaustion and I will be safe of not having the fish die?
But when the water temp reaches 80 degrees, it is time to put the boat on the trailer because all the fish will die even if i respectfully play the fish and unhook at the side of the boat with no net, water release, not taking the fish from the water at all. |
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| Here's my rule of thumb, and it isn't water temperature.
I'm on Pewaukee Lake and usually have a lot of gills hanging around the pier/launch. When the gills have left the shallows, that is when I stop fishing the muskies. Gills come back in, time to go fishing again.
But that is just my own personal way of judging when to fish. In no way do I speak for anyone else.
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Location: So. Illinois | anzomcik - 6/27/2012 6:32 PM
Wait, can some one please answer me this question...
Is 79.9 degree water temp the max I can fish to ensure the fish will not die? That means play it out to full exhaustion and I will be safe of not having the fish die?
But when the water temp reaches 80 degrees, it is time to put the boat on the trailer because all the fish will die even if i respectfully play the fish and unhook at the side of the boat with no net, water release, not taking the fish from the water at all.
I would never recommend under any circumstances that you play a fish to full exhuastion. ONly time I've seen this happen is when folks use undersized gear. Safely play the fish to the net, then take the time necessary to handle the fish correctly and be mindful not to hurt yoruself. |
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| if they are water released without pics there is no problem.the major problem is the guides and the uneducated guys.concern the guides they need to work to put food on the table,so i guess sometimes musky health is not so important |
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| How many folks will step up and say they caught and killed a fish due to temps. C'mon, now, step up, in the name of facts.
I bet most of you have had little problem with CPR in the summer. 1,000 summer stories of a no-problem freed fish for every one killed by trauma due to stress/heat/whatever. And the one killed will prob be one dragged a half mile by a charter boat with a huge trolling spread, not joe blow fishing the thermocline in some inland lake. |
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Location: Wisconsin | Ranger - 6/30/2012 11:00 PM
How many folks will step up and say they caught and killed a fish due to temps. C'mon, now, step up, in the name of facts.
I bet most of you have had little problem with CPR in the summer. 1,000 summer stories of a no-problem freed fish for every one killed by trauma due to stress/heat/whatever. And the one killed will prob be one dragged a half mile by a charter boat with a huge trolling spread, not joe blow fishing the thermocline in some inland lake.
It has been a number of years, but I have, without a doubt, killed a muskie due to a long poor release when water temps were high. Back then I did not have hook cutters, a really long needle nose pliers, and the huge nets simply did not exist.
Will it be the last one that I kill? probably not, but most of them now days don't even leave the water |
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Well I have to say most of the fish that wash up on shore or you see floating up in my neck of the woods are during mid july to early aug.
Make what conclusions you want to out of that. Seems pretty straight forward to me.
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| Guest - 7/1/2012 10:39 AM
Well I have to say most of the fish that wash up on shore or you see floating up in my neck of the woods are during mid july to early aug.
Make what conclusions you want to out of that. Seems pretty straight forward to me.
JS
That's vacation time, John. It's tourist season. That's when you have the greatest number of die hard muskie anglers out there on the water, the greatest number of weekend warriors, and the greatest number of incidental catches by folks who don't even have a net or a pair of pliers.
I'm not saying that they don't recover as easily or as often from being caught in 80 degree surface temps, but you can't ignore the fact that 90% of the fishing pressure takes place between Memorial Day and Labor Day. I've never seen a muskie floating in November. Is it because they all released healthy, or because there's nobody out there fishing anymore? |
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Location: Minnesota. | ToddM - 6/27/2012 10:01 AM
Fishing is fun? I do it to get totally aggravated.
Gotta love a lil' humor.....Thanx. *G*
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